Wide body with no former jet-time

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I heard that unless you have former jet experience, you cant be considered for a WB position on initial hire. Just wondering if anybody knows whether or not this rumour is true?
This would seem abit silly, certaintly for those coming from Jazz.

[Tbayer2021]

I heard that unless you have former jet experience, you cant be considered for a WB position on initial hire. Just wondering if anybody knows whether or not this rumour is true?
This would seem abit silly, certaintly for those coming from Jazz.

They will stick to that right up until they don't have any candidates that meet the requirement. Then all of the sudden, the requirement will no longer be enforced.

[Inverted2]

Is the worlds lowest paid WB pilot a popular choice for new hires?

[dontcallmeshirley]

I heard that unless you have former jet experience, you cant be considered for a WB position on initial hire. Just wondering if anybody knows whether or not this rumour is true?
This would seem abit silly, certaintly for those coming from Jazz.

They will stick to that right up until they don't have any candidates that meet the requirement. Then all of the sudden, the requirement will no longer be enforced.

That's what I was told as well. As long as there are candidates that meet the "jet time 'required'" rule for WB FO, they do not consider candidates with no jet time. With that said, there have been and there will be more WB FOs with no jet time.

[rudder]

WB FO positions should all be formula pay Day 1 (just like CA positions).

That would solve the unbid WB FO position available for new-hire dilemma.

[thepoors]

Several guys I know that went to AC in the last 12 months got WB with no jet time. Albeit on the 767.

[YYZshill]

new hires with no jet time can bid RP widebody positions. widebody FOs require previous jet experience. 767F is considered a narrowbody at AC

[flyingcanuck]

Is the worlds lowest paid WB pilot a popular choice for new hires?

BOTL in my class was 777 FO

[Tigger]

I heard that unless you have former jet experience, you cant be considered for a WB position on initial hire. Just wondering if anybody knows whether or not this rumour is true?
This would seem abit silly, certaintly for those coming from Jazz.

Seriously, why in the world is that “silly?” I can sleep fairly soundly in the bunk right now knowing that my FO(s) have at least some experience flying jets and can baby sit an RP who might have none; I doubt I could manage a single wink if I knew there was only Dash8 or 1900 guys up there alone…

[FL030]

I doubt I could manage a single wink if I knew there was only Dash8 or 1900 guys up there alone…

Well I have news for you

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I heard that unless you have former jet experience, you cant be considered for a WB position on initial hire. Just wondering if anybody knows whether or not this rumour is true?
This would seem abit silly, certaintly for those coming from Jazz.

Seriously, why in the world is that “silly?” I can sleep fairly soundly in the bunk right now knowing that my FO(s) have at least some experience flying jets and can baby sit an RP who might have none; I doubt I could manage a single wink if I knew there was only Dash8 or 1900 guys up there alone…

Because a large turbo prop like a Q400 is harder to fly, than a E175 or something like that. So I rather have the pilots, with better piloting skills, e.g. the Q400 pilots, in the right seat over an RJ or E175 pilot.

[BTD]

I heard that unless you have former jet experience, you cant be considered for a WB position on initial hire. Just wondering if anybody knows whether or not this rumour is true?
This would seem abit silly, certaintly for those coming from Jazz.

Seriously, why in the world is that “silly?” I can sleep fairly soundly in the bunk right now knowing that my FO(s) have at least some experience flying jets and can baby sit an RP who might have none; I doubt I could manage a single wink if I knew there was only Dash8 or 1900 guys up there alone…

Because a large turbo prop like a Q400 is harder to fly, than a E175 or something like that. So I rather have the pilots, with better piloting skills, e.g. the Q400 pilots, in the right seat over an RJ or E175 pilot.

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[jpilot77]

I heard that unless you have former jet experience, you cant be considered for a WB position on initial hire. Just wondering if anybody knows whether or not this rumour is true?
This would seem abit silly, certaintly for those coming from Jazz.

Seriously, why in the world is that “silly?” I can sleep fairly soundly in the bunk right now knowing that my FO(s) have at least some experience flying jets and can baby sit an RP who might have none; I doubt I could manage a single wink if I knew there was only Dash8 or 1900 guys up there alone…

Because a large turbo prop like a Q400 is harder to fly, than a E175 or something like that. So I rather have the pilots, with better piloting skills, e.g. the Q400 pilots, in the right seat over an RJ or E175 pilot.

[CaptDukeNukem]

I heard that unless you have former jet experience, you cant be considered for a WB position on initial hire. Just wondering if anybody knows whether or not this rumour is true?
This would seem abit silly, certaintly for those coming from Jazz.

Seriously, why in the world is that “silly?” I can sleep fairly soundly in the bunk right now knowing that my FO(s) have at least some experience flying jets and can baby sit an RP who might have none; I doubt I could manage a single wink if I knew there was only Dash8 or 1900 guys up there alone…

Because a large turbo prop like a Q400 is harder to fly, than a E175 or something like that. So I rather have the pilots, with better piloting skills, e.g. the Q400 pilots, in the right seat over an RJ or E175 pilot.

Lol. Keep telling yourself that. I’d throw a meme or a gif in, but it seems others already have manifested my opinion in picture format. Cheers

[Hangry]

I heard that unless you have former jet experience, you cant be considered for a WB position on initial hire. Just wondering if anybody knows whether or not this rumour is true?
This would seem abit silly, certaintly for those coming from Jazz.

Seriously, why in the world is that “silly?” I can sleep fairly soundly in the bunk right now knowing that my FO(s) have at least some experience flying jets and can baby sit an RP who might have none; I doubt I could manage a single wink if I knew there was only Dash8 or 1900 guys up there alone…

Because a large turbo prop like a Q400 is harder to fly, than a E175 or something like that. So I rather have the pilots, with better piloting skills, e.g. the Q400 pilots, in the right seat over an RJ or E175 pilot.

Airplanes aren’t hard to fly. If you have any time on them. Perhaps this gig isn’t for you.

[Tigger]

I heard that unless you have former jet experience, you cant be considered for a WB position on initial hire. Just wondering if anybody knows whether or not this rumour is true?
This would seem abit silly, certaintly for those coming from Jazz.

Seriously, why in the world is that “silly?” I can sleep fairly soundly in the bunk right now knowing that my FO(s) have at least some experience flying jets and can baby sit an RP who might have none; I doubt I could manage a single wink if I knew there was only Dash8 or 1900 guys up there alone…

Because a large turbo prop like a Q400 is harder to fly, than a E175 or something like that. So I rather have the pilots, with better piloting skills, e.g. the Q400 pilots, in the right seat over an RJ or E175 pilot.

Well, I guess we found the guy who obviously doesn’t know bugger all about flying jets…. You are comically wrong, but thank you for 100% proving my point. Don’t let your crazy over-confidence overcome your obvious ignorance — at least in my flight deck.

[sstaurus]

All I can think of is the poster was referring to perhaps; certain aspects of the Q. I for example found doing V1 cuts more challenging in the Q because things happen can happen quicky…vs the 37 or 320. But as for the flying itself, well a Q is more like a big King Air

[Eric Janson]

I heard that unless you have former jet experience, you cant be considered for a WB position on initial hire. Just wondering if anybody knows whether or not this rumour is true?
This would seem abit silly, certaintly for those coming from Jazz.

Disclaimer:- I don't work at Air Canada.

This can be done - just requires the training to be adjusted (add a few sessions) to emphasise the differences in handling imho. The basics of flying don't change.

Line Training can be modified so new Pilots initially only take-off and land at their home base until they get some experience on Type (SOP at at lot of Airlines globally). Add a few extra flights with an Instructor here as well.

[pelmet]

What are the chances that some Dash8 FO spent much time studying issues related to high altitude jet operations.

Captains going for crew rest might prefer leaving the controls to a couple of pilots who have been immersed in the jet world for several years. People who took company related training in high altitude operations several times, who discussed such issues with fellow pilots about said operations, who heard and learned about incidents in their companies about mistakes made in such operations.

It might be nice to have two crew who know better than anybody how to successfully bust minimums to get into pickle lake(and that can be a useful background to have for certain rare situations), but that may not prevent a high altitude upset when the airspeed indicators fail(Air France anyone).

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I was more so refering to engine out operations can be more challenging in a large turboprop, compared to an CRJ (basically centre line thrust). But certaintly both operations have their challenges. However, I think you folks are over reacting, flying a jet is not very difficult at all. High altitude upset recovery is very basic, and can be trained.

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Because a large turbo prop like a Q400 is harder to fly, than a E175 or something like that. So I rather have the pilots, with better piloting skills, e.g. the Q400 pilots, in the right seat over an RJ or E175 pilot.

When I was at Sunwing, they had 2 training streams. One for those with jet time and those without. I came with about 4500 TT, with 60 of that on jets (CRJ) and the rest on turboprops (Metro and Dash-8). The company decided that wasn't enough jet time and so put me on the "non-jet time" stream.

I believe the only difference between the two streams was the amount of Line Indoc that had to be done (25 vs 50 hours for example.. I can't remember exactly. The cadets had upwards of 200+ hours of Line Indoc).

Just goes to show that even though I had some jet time, the company still felt I had lots to learn and so gave me more line indoc, which I was thankful for.

[ZBBYLW]

I'm not in management so don't know exactly the reasons but it was told to me, guys who got on to the wide bodies with no experience were having trouble getting good at them.

On the NBs at AC you often will have 20+ sectors a month even on reserve.

The Rouge 767 was similar. Sure there were some guys doing 8 leg months, but lots of North America flying and you could get used to flying and with no reserve everyone was flying.

Now with the 777/787 you can get some super long sectors. 6 sectors a month isn't out of the realm of possibilities. Especially on reserve. They also have Auggie pairings were you're basically an RP and don't do a take off and landing.

Flying a Q400 or 777 isn't rocket science. They both however have different skills. Having a guy operate one take off and landing a month wouldn't be doing him or her any favours especially if they are new to jet operation.

[pelmet]

I was more so refering to engine out operations can be more challenging in a large turboprop, compared to an CRJ (basically centre line thrust). But certaintly both operations have their challenges. However, I think you folks are over reacting, flying a jet is not very difficult at all. High altitude upset recovery is very basic, and can be trained.

There are other things as well including the hugely important…..upset avoidance.

I suspect that the concern at the airline is not having the captain in the cockpit for extended periods of time with very junior people for the rest of the crew.

Now please don’t take this personally. I have plenty of turboprop time and would suggest extra training for jet experience only pilots. The same goes for people with no GA time getting into GA.

[BTD]

This is silly. Even if it were harder to fly one or the other, it is the vastly different world. Oceanic procedures, weather in remote areas, differences in a heavy swept wing jet vs a straight wing turbo prop. It’s just different.

If you were a captain on a steamship or modern cruise ship, how comfortable are you going to sleep when your chief officer is the officer of the watch but has come straight from spending his whole career sailing 3 masted tall ships. Arguably more difficult, but in a totally different world.

Make that guy a junior officer until he gains the experience. Then after a short time, he will likely excel.

[digits_]

Jeesh. Reading some of these messages makes it seem like AC just dumps pilots straight from a Dash 8 or a King Air into a widebody without any training whatsoever...