Jazz Approach/Cygnet Aviation

[GIVCE!]

What the status of the Jazz Approach program through Cygnet? Is training currently taking place? Is the facility at Kingston airport occupied yet? Do they have aircraft on property yet? Who are the instructors? Anyone been to CYGK lately who can shed some light?

[RoAF-Mig21]

What the status of the Jazz Approach program through Cygnet? Is training currently taking place? Is the facility at Kingston airport occupied yet? Do they have aircraft on property yet? Who are the instructors? Anyone been to CYGK lately who can shed some light?

Apparently they have an office on Gardiner's Road in Kingston (6 km by car) from the airport. Someone was saying that they already have hangar space and some planes at YGK. I don't know anything about that yet. I'm also curious.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cygne ... 11t_jn5x_g

[truedude]

What the status of the Jazz Approach program through Cygnet? Is training currently taking place? Is the facility at Kingston airport occupied yet? Do they have aircraft on property yet? Who are the instructors? Anyone been to CYGK lately who can shed some light?

I suspect it will be a spectacular failure.

[cykj]

Training has been taking place for a few months.

[truedude]

Training has been taking place for a few months.

For a handful of people. They want to pump through over a hundred, and it is "scalable."

As long as they want people to pay for it, it will fail. The second you start to see them take people out of high school and pay for it, with a clear path to AC, then i will be worried. But even then, as long as wages are the dumpster fire they are, the people they attract will be limited. And this is what they fail to understand.

[GIVCE!]

Huh. Interesting, thx for the info. No talk around Jazz/CAE at all about…like it’s taboo or being kept hush hush or something. I guess the fact that this company is not “Jazz” and these students are not “Jazz employees”until they are, potentially, hired is how they get around the contractual obligation of all training to be done by ‘Jazz Instructors’. I also assume CAE intrsuctors will be doing their initial training program in the RJ/Q400 sims. Sounds like a way to cut out the ‘high cost’(insert sarcasm here) of the lowly Jazz training department. (To be taken tongue in cheek; I work there also;)) I really wonder what the unions thoughts are on this. Maybe I’ll send an email….

[GIVCE!]

Looks like the students could potentially live in the trailers on the adjacent mobile home dealership lot. Plus plus

[truedude]

Huh. Interesting, thx for the info. No talk around Jazz/CAE at all about…like it’s taboo or being kept hush hush or something. I guess the fact that this company is not “Jazz” and these students are not “Jazz employees”until they are, potentially, hired is how they get around the contractual obligation of all training to be done by ‘Jazz Instructors’. I also assume CAE intrsuctors will be doing their initial training program in the RJ/Q400 sims. Sounds like a way to cut out the ‘high cost’(insert sarcasm here) of the lowly Jazz training department. (To be taken tongue in cheek; I work there also;)) I really wonder what the unions thoughts are on this. Maybe I’ll send an email….

As Colin said on the earnings call, it isn't a direct line to Jazz. Though he said they have had interest from other airlines.

I have talked to the union, and at the moment they aren't worried. They see it as another half-ass measure. As long as pay is where it is, it will never be attractive. Pay needs to come up substantially so that kids in high school see becoming a pilot as a viable long term career option. And at the moment, all they see is crap pay and Westjet management saying not everyone is interested in pilot stuff.

The day Chorus decides to "hire" people right out of high school, pay them a decent wage, pay for training, with the idea of putting them into jazz, then we should be a little worried.

But the people aviation generally attracts would either go into Engineering and make more than twice as much day one, and pay less than half for their education; or people who would go into higher end technical trade, where they will also make twice as much and pay a fraction foe their education.

The only long term solution is to pay more, and pay more sooner. And as long as they keep ignoring this, the problem only gets worse. They need to stop treating pilots as the enemy.

[canadian_aviator_4]

Scam

[GIVCE!]

Interesting, thanks for sharing truedude. Hurry up and wait I guess…
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