Timetoflyagain wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 6:17 am
Also, the top end. Why would someone earning, say, $130k flying medevac take a $50k paycut to $80 to work for Jazz, with a ?10 year wait to get back to $130? And, you've probably got to move to a ridiculously high COL area to do so..
Nobody in the left seat of a medevac bird is going to the regionals, everyone I know thats moved on has gone to AC or WJ
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…I used to fly medivacs…years worth. That company went bankrupt. I knew other pilots who also flew medivac. They’re dead now. Eventually even government contracts go bye bye. Eventually a dark snowy night onto an unplowed gravel runway will end up upside down. That’s why that driver is getting $130K/ year, and why I left it to get something safer, more secure and long term..as in retirement. It’s very unfortunate that the cost of that (currently) is a huge pay cut..but it’s about supply, demand and personal choices and situation.
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Yeah the pay cut was killer for me, I could’ve gotten out a lot sooner than I did but decided that if I was going to be taking that big a cut it’d only be for mainline. At least I’ll eventually catch up to what I used to make
swervin wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 3:09 pm
So what’s up with todays announcement regarding the VP Flight Ops.
There has got to be more to that story.
Whats the memo say?
It said the VP of Flt Ops is “leaving the company” at the end of May and nothing else. I would say he’s pushing 65 but it didn’t sound like a retirement announcement. If he got fired that’s usually immediately but I have no clue. Maybe Porter?
Inverted2 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 7:00 am
Maybe AC or Chorus had him removed? Jazz hasn’t exactly been delivering the goods for the CPA lately with the pilot shortages going on at Jazz.
There are only so many tools in the toolbox.
Prospective pilots are looking for compensation, lifestyle, job security, and career progression.
Inverted2 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 7:00 am
Maybe AC or Chorus had him removed? Jazz hasn’t exactly been delivering the goods for the CPA lately with the pilot shortages going on at Jazz.
There are only so many tools in the toolbox.
Prospective pilots are looking for compensation, lifestyle, job security, and career progression.
How many of those boxes does Jazz currently tick?
Wouldn't surprise me to see him at Porter in the next few months, maybe sooner.
jazzsucks wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 9:44 am
In the email it said he would be around for the next few weeks to help with the transition. It sounds relatively amicable
I am writing to update you on the status of negotiations. On May 10 we met with Jazz management and received a response to our last wage proposal in March.
It is with disappointment that I must advise you that their counterproposal is nowhere near the threshold of what members have indicated they reasonably expect. In fact, it is so low we cannot respond as doing so would effectively be negotiating with ourselves.
We remain ready to meet with the Company if they are willing to engage in meaningful negotiation. As with any negotiation things can change for the positive but as of today the future looks uncertain.
Is he saying the pay will stay shit or the place is going under?
That is a ridiculous unqualified statement to put in any MEC bulletin.
So in the span of 2 days the VP FLT OPS quits and the MEC CHMN throws kerosene on the fire.
Great times at Jazz.
Maybe the situation needs kerosene thrown on it. If they were grounded in any sort of objective reality, this would have been dealt with 6 months ago. Instead they want to keep believing there isn't a problem.
Is he saying the pay will stay shit or the place is going under?
That is a ridiculous unqualified statement to put in any MEC bulletin.
So in the span of 2 days the VP FLT OPS quits and the MEC CHMN throws kerosene on the fire.
Great times at Jazz.
The VP retired - plain and simple. Wanted to spend more time with family and travel. He has received some pretty good bonuses and stock options over the years so I am sure he can afford it.
Canucklhead wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 5:03 pm
The VP retired - plain and simple. Wanted to spend more time with family and travel. He has received some pretty good bonuses and stock options over the years so I am sure he can afford it.
Funny how there's always money for that, but when the pilots come to the table, the heat's off, carpet threadbare, and they're burning the furniture to keep warm...
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Is he saying the pay will stay shit or the place is going under?
That is a ridiculous unqualified statement to put in any MEC bulletin.
So in the span of 2 days the VP FLT OPS quits and the MEC CHMN throws kerosene on the fire.
Great times at Jazz.
The VP retired - plain and simple. Wanted to spend more time with family and travel. He has received some pretty good bonuses and stock options over the years so I am sure he can afford it.
Usually when it’s a retirement they would say that in the email. Usually a “all the best in retirement” or something like that. There was nothing in the email like that
Malfunction wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 2:45 pm
Chairman's Update - May 2023
Fellow Pilots,
I am writing to update you on the status of negotiations. On May 10 we met with Jazz management and received a response to our last wage proposal in March.
It is with disappointment that I must advise you that their counterproposal is nowhere near the threshold of what members have indicated they reasonably expect. In fact, it is so low we cannot respond as doing so would effectively be negotiating with ourselves.
We remain ready to meet with the Company if they are willing to engage in meaningful negotiation. As with any negotiation things can change for the positive but as of today the future looks uncertain.
In solidarity,
Claude
Oh well, I guess they're stuck with the 17 year deal that his MEC negotiated and recommended!
In the recent First Quarter Employee townhall, Mr Rousseau said two things that caught my ear:
“Problems with jazz that will be resolved soon” and
“I won't go into details about Jazz“
All indications seem to suggest AC Senior Management is either playing a good game of poker or truly not worried about the pilot market and think this will just blow over.
futboler14 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 7:45 pm
In the recent First Quarter Employee townhall, Mr Rousseau said two things that caught my ear:
“Problems with jazz that will be resolved soon” and
“I won't go into details about Jazz“
All indications seem to suggest AC Senior Management is either playing a good game of poker or truly not worried about the pilot market and think this will just blow over.
I don't think they are playing poker, but rather deeply delusional about the extend of the problem. People will go to great lengths to convince themselves of a comfortable lie, rather than face the reality if a situation. The VP of flight ops at AC lives in an alternate reality, with 30+ Years of aviation experience working agaisnt him. Aviation hasn't seen anything like this since the 60s, and he has no idea how to respond but to beleive it will just fix itself, because well, that is what has always happened.
If Westjet managed to get some significant improvements, we are done. YYC will clear out, and YUL will go to Porter. Even AC may find hiring becomes problematic.
The first to pay right will end up scooping up all the pilots, leaving everyone else scrambling to catch up... AC will find themselves way behind if they don't get with the times.
