Agreement in Principle reached

[flying4dollars]

Please tell me new hire WestJet FOs will make at least 90K? Everyone talks about top captain wages but they already made a living wage beforehand...

If FO's are in fact starting at $105/hr then that would almost put them at $100k annually depending on their MMG

[NovaBoy]

After watching this industry eat it’s young for my entire career, I really hope the junior FO’s finally get a good sized pay bump, and get what they finally deserve. No one in Canada should be in the right seat of a jet or large sized turboprop for less than $80K. Mainline 737 driver $100K minimum.

[Mach1]

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I see your point.

[Maritimer]

What we know so far:

One OC
ESP no match
Optional pension (language to acquire a target pension plan)
Increased pay rates
Time bank
Mixed reserve 16 days
New language grievance and arbitration
DH language with new priority codes
$40 hotel cancellation credit into a bank
Cancel a DH you can move it for a commute
Partial trip trades are back
No signing bonus
Retro pay to Jan 1 with new rates
400 million in new money over 4 years
Optional hat
Strike Signs can be purchased for a $40 donation to Ronald MacDonald House

Still have to play custodian with the cabins or is that old news?

It's been at least 5 years (pre CA1) for that nonsense

[QKZXKV]

What we know so far:

One OC
ESP no match
Optional pension (language to acquire a target pension plan)
Increased pay rates
Time bank
Mixed reserve 16 days
New language grievance and arbitration
DH language with new priority codes
$40 hotel cancellation credit into a bank
Cancel a DH you can move it for a commute
Partial trip trades are back
No signing bonus
Retro pay to Jan 1 with new rates
400 million in new money over 4 years
Optional hat
Strike Signs can be purchased for a $40 donation to Ronald MacDonald House

Still have to play custodian with the cabins or is that old news?

It's been at least 5 years (pre CA1) for that nonsense

Well that's good... Admittedly I haven't commuted in that stretch of time, which was the last time I used WJ.

[Mach1]

Hats? This was about hats?

Make sure you get plenty of scrambled eggs on those hats. They look really good with scrambled eggs.

Old timers will recall the laughs we used to have about the old, tired tradition of pilots hats in the early days of WestJet.

It was a badge of honor to have the leather flight jacket and no hats.

I guess things have changed.

Congrats to all on getting this deal done.

99% sure that the hat comment was made with tongue in cheek.

[Anonymouse]

I think we all (especially the westjet guys and girls who were planning to be on strike today) need to see the actual TA before any comments are made on whether its a good deal or not.

[doiwannabeapilot]

What we know so far:

One OC
ESP no match
Optional pension (language to acquire a target pension plan)
Increased pay rates
Time bank
Mixed reserve 16 days
New language grievance and arbitration
DH language with new priority codes
$40 hotel cancellation credit into a bank
Cancel a DH you can move it for a commute
Partial trip trades are back
No signing bonus
Retro pay to Jan 1 with new rates
400 million in new money over 4 years
Optional hat
Strike Signs can be purchased for a $40 donation to Ronald MacDonald House

Still have to play custodian with the cabins or is that old news?

no, its back. it was one of the concessions to cover the 400 million.

[QKZXKV]

What we know so far:

One OC
ESP no match
Optional pension (language to acquire a target pension plan)
Increased pay rates
Time bank
Mixed reserve 16 days
New language grievance and arbitration
DH language with new priority codes
$40 hotel cancellation credit into a bank
Cancel a DH you can move it for a commute
Partial trip trades are back
No signing bonus
Retro pay to Jan 1 with new rates
400 million in new money over 4 years
Optional hat
Strike Signs can be purchased for a $40 donation to Ronald MacDonald House

Still have to play custodian with the cabins or is that old news?

no, its back. it was one of the concessions to cover the 400 million.

Ahh I misread

[UnionDrive]

Pussy’s, you caved. Trudeau would have you back to work by Monday anyway!

Lol,

One of the best increases I have ever seen in this industry. Great Job guys

Bend over and spread your cheeks you’re getting fucked, and WJ won’t use k-y!

[Maritimer]

What we know so far:

One OC
ESP no match
Optional pension (language to acquire a target pension plan)
Increased pay rates
Time bank
Mixed reserve 16 days
New language grievance and arbitration
DH language with new priority codes
$40 hotel cancellation credit into a bank
Cancel a DH you can move it for a commute
Partial trip trades are back
No signing bonus
Retro pay to Jan 1 with new rates
400 million in new money over 4 years
Optional hat
Strike Signs can be purchased for a $40 donation to Ronald MacDonald House

Still have to play custodian with the cabins or is that old news?

no, its back. it was one of the concessions to cover the 400 million.

Obviously I don't know, and anything is on the table, but I'd get ready for a NO vote if that were the case.

[digits_]

What we know so far:

One OC
ESP no match
Optional pension (language to acquire a target pension plan)
Increased pay rates
Time bank
Mixed reserve 16 days
New language grievance and arbitration
DH language with new priority codes
$40 hotel cancellation credit into a bank
Cancel a DH you can move it for a commute
Partial trip trades are back
No signing bonus
Retro pay to Jan 1 with new rates
400 million in new money over 4 years
Optional hat
Strike Signs can be purchased for a $40 donation to Ronald MacDonald House

Still have to play custodian with the cabins or is that old news?

no, its back. it was one of the concessions to cover the 400 million.

Wow. I hope it's some kind of humor that's too advanced for me to understand

[Maritimer]

Pussy’s, you caved. Trudeau would have you back to work by Monday anyway!

Lol,

One of the best increases I have ever seen in this industry. Great Job guys

Bend over and spread your cheeks you’re getting fucked, and WJ won’t use k-y!

Move along already, nobody cares, your trolling isn't working.

[JHR]

I will say the crew did a much better job of cabin cleaning than those cleaners they use now. Last two WJ flights I was on were disgusting.
Hoping for a good agreement for all...but not holding my breath after three decades in this business.

[loose]

I think we all (especially the westjet guys and girls who were planning to be on strike today) need to see the actual TA before any comments are made on whether its a good deal or not.

100%. I never understood why the union gets to agree on anything before sharing details with the pilots. In the real world a lawyer cannot agree to a plea deal before talking to his/her client. My thoughts, by now Weatjet pilots should be privy of the details of the deal not this cat and mouse game. There are dudes and dudesses right now who gotta make a decision if they are staying or accepting that other offer. Why delay, and play games like “yeah we’re gonna drive 2 wks to your base and teach you how to read the proposed agreement”, then 6 months later you can vote if you like it or not. Come on now, we’re pilots, we certainly ain’t the smartest group in the world but we don’t need a union rep to explain details of a contract to us!! That, most of us can do ourselves in an hour. It’s like your mortgage broker saying yeah bro I accepted an offer for your house, now give me 3 months so I can explain to you why it’s good…bullshit, tell me the offer and I’ll tell you in 5 mins whether I’ll take it or not.

[goleafsgo]

I think we all (especially the westjet guys and girls who were planning to be on strike today) need to see the actual TA before any comments are made on whether its a good deal or not.

100%. I never understood why the union gets to agree on anything before sharing details with the pilots. In the real world a lawyer cannot agree to a plea deal before talking to his/her client. My thoughts, by now Weatjet pilots should be privy of the details of the deal not this cat and mouse game. There are dudes and dudesses right now who gotta make a decision if they are staying or accepting that other offer. Why delay, and play games like “yeah we’re gonna drive 2 wks to your base and teach you how to read the proposed agreement”, then 6 months later you can vote if you like it or not. Come on now, we’re pilots, we certainly ain’t the smartest group in the world but we don’t need a union rep to explain details of a contract to us!! That, most of us can do ourselves in an hour. It’s like your mortgage broker saying yeah bro I accepted an offer for your house, now give me 3 months so I can explain to you why it’s good…bullshit, tell me the offer and I’ll tell you in 5 mins whether I’ll take it or not.

That’s how unions work. The union comes to an agreement and it’s up to the pilot group to vote yes or no. The union just decides if it’s even good enough to bring to the pilot group. The roadshows are just so questions can be asked in person and get an answer right away before voting.

[digits_]

I think we all (especially the westjet guys and girls who were planning to be on strike today) need to see the actual TA before any comments are made on whether its a good deal or not.

100%. I never understood why the union gets to agree on anything before sharing details with the pilots. In the real world a lawyer cannot agree to a plea deal before talking to his/her client. My thoughts, by now Weatjet pilots should be privy of the details of the deal not this cat and mouse game. There are dudes and dudesses right now who gotta make a decision if they are staying or accepting that other offer. Why delay, and play games like “yeah we’re gonna drive 2 wks to your base and teach you how to read the proposed agreement”, then 6 months later you can vote if you like it or not. Come on now, we’re pilots, we certainly ain’t the smartest group in the world but we don’t need a union rep to explain details of a contract to us!! That, most of us can do ourselves in an hour. It’s like your mortgage broker saying yeah bro I accepted an offer for your house, now give me 3 months so I can explain to you why it’s good…bullshit, tell me the offer and I’ll tell you in 5 mins whether I’ll take it or not.

That’s how unions work. The union comes to an agreement and it’s up to the pilot group to vote yes or no. The union just decides if it’s even good enough to bring to the pilot group. The roadshows are just so questions can be asked in person and get an answer right away before voting.

That's fine, but they can still email the proposal to all their members right away. Doesn't have to take long. If I were a WestJet pilot I would be worried why this isn't happening.

[Maritimer]

100%. I never understood why the union gets to agree on anything before sharing details with the pilots. In the real world a lawyer cannot agree to a plea deal before talking to his/her client. My thoughts, by now Weatjet pilots should be privy of the details of the deal not this cat and mouse game. There are dudes and dudesses right now who gotta make a decision if they are staying or accepting that other offer. Why delay, and play games like “yeah we’re gonna drive 2 wks to your base and teach you how to read the proposed agreement”, then 6 months later you can vote if you like it or not. Come on now, we’re pilots, we certainly ain’t the smartest group in the world but we don’t need a union rep to explain details of a contract to us!! That, most of us can do ourselves in an hour. It’s like your mortgage broker saying yeah bro I accepted an offer for your house, now give me 3 months so I can explain to you why it’s good…bullshit, tell me the offer and I’ll tell you in 5 mins whether I’ll take it or not.

That’s how unions work. The union comes to an agreement and it’s up to the pilot group to vote yes or no. The union just decides if it’s even good enough to bring to the pilot group. The roadshows are just so questions can be asked in person and get an answer right away before voting.

That's fine, but they can still email the proposal to all their members right away. Doesn't have to take long. If I were a WestJet pilot I would be worried why this isn't happening.

Settle down. Not everything happens on your schedule. It'll happen when it happens. These folks have been working around the clock for days on end. They deserve a reprieve. Word is executive summary coming tonight. Less than 24 hours after AIP reached, I think that's pretty good

[digits_]

That’s how unions work. The union comes to an agreement and it’s up to the pilot group to vote yes or no. The union just decides if it’s even good enough to bring to the pilot group. The roadshows are just so questions can be asked in person and get an answer right away before voting.

That's fine, but they can still email the proposal to all their members right away. Doesn't have to take long. If I were a WestJet pilot I would be worried why this isn't happening.

Settle down. Not everything happens on your schedule. It'll happen when it happens. These folks have been working around the clock for days on end. They deserve a reprieve. Word is executive summary coming tonight. Less than 24 hours after AIP reached, I think that's pretty good

I find it hard to believe there is no completely detailed agreement written out yet (after all, how else would there have been an agreement between management and the union?). You don't need an executive summary, you just need to see the agreement. It's not the people at the negotiating table that have to send everything out, office staff can do that.

[RippleRock]

OMG.....

You trust your representation to iron out a good deal for you. The deal they fought for takes more than 5 minutes to put together in a presentable format. Then it needs to hit the distribution network. Not all pilots are contract savvy and need things literally "spelled out" for them, hence the road shows. All this takes time.

They mentioned two important points. 1) it will not be "sold", it will be presented as it stands, and you get to choose whether you like it or not. There doesn't appear anything nefarious in this, so no trickery. 2) it's retroactive pay-wise, so it doesn't matter when it's voted on, you're still back-paid to January.

Maybe calm down a bit.

[digits_]

There doesn't appear anything nefarious in this, so no trickery.

How do you know?

[loose]

I think we all (especially the westjet guys and girls who were planning to be on strike today) need to see the actual TA before any comments are made on whether its a good deal or not.

100%. I never understood why the union gets to agree on anything before sharing details with the pilots. In the real world a lawyer cannot agree to a plea deal before talking to his/her client. My thoughts, by now Weatjet pilots should be privy of the details of the deal not this cat and mouse game. There are dudes and dudesses right now who gotta make a decision if they are staying or accepting that other offer. Why delay, and play games like “yeah we’re gonna drive 2 wks to your base and teach you how to read the proposed agreement”, then 6 months later you can vote if you like it or not. Come on now, we’re pilots, we certainly ain’t the smartest group in the world but we don’t need a union rep to explain details of a contract to us!! That, most of us can do ourselves in an hour. It’s like your mortgage broker saying yeah bro I accepted an offer for your house, now give me 3 months so I can explain to you why it’s good…bullshit, tell me the offer and I’ll tell you in 5 mins whether I’ll take it or not.

That’s how unions work. The union comes to an agreement and it’s up to the pilot group to vote yes or no. The union just decides if it’s even good enough to bring to the pilot group. The roadshows are just so questions can be asked in person and get an answer right away before voting.

I know, that’s how it works. I’m just highlighting the position anybody @ WJ would be in right now….Not knowing! Question is should a stakeholder be in the background to a decision such as this? We can dance around the tune as much as we like but we all know the question was always about compensation, so if the union agreed to an offer what was it?? That I don’t need to wait for a roadshow explain to me like I’m a child on Christmas Eve. Look guys, I’m all in for WJ pilots, and if their demands were NA standards then nobody in any capacity should accept less on their behalf, and if the strike was to go on so be it…war is never pretty anyways but sometimes it’s the only card on the table.

[Tbayer2021]

100%. I never understood why the union gets to agree on anything before sharing details with the pilots. In the real world a lawyer cannot agree to a plea deal before talking to his/her client. My thoughts, by now Weatjet pilots should be privy of the details of the deal not this cat and mouse game. There are dudes and dudesses right now who gotta make a decision if they are staying or accepting that other offer. Why delay, and play games like “yeah we’re gonna drive 2 wks to your base and teach you how to read the proposed agreement”, then 6 months later you can vote if you like it or not. Come on now, we’re pilots, we certainly ain’t the smartest group in the world but we don’t need a union rep to explain details of a contract to us!! That, most of us can do ourselves in an hour. It’s like your mortgage broker saying yeah bro I accepted an offer for your house, now give me 3 months so I can explain to you why it’s good…bullshit, tell me the offer and I’ll tell you in 5 mins whether I’ll take it or not.

That’s how unions work. The union comes to an agreement and it’s up to the pilot group to vote yes or no. The union just decides if it’s even good enough to bring to the pilot group. The roadshows are just so questions can be asked in person and get an answer right away before voting.

I know, that’s how it works. I’m just highlighting the position anybody @ WJ would be in right now….Not knowing! Question is should a stakeholder be in the background to a decision such as this? We can dance around the tune as much as we like but we all know the question was always about compensation, so if the union agreed to an offer what was it?? That I don’t need to wait for a roadshow explain to me like I’m a child on Christmas Eve. Look guys, I’m all in for WJ pilots, and if their demands were NA standards then nobody in any capacity should accept less on their behalf, and if the strike was to go on so be it…war is never pretty anyways but sometimes it’s the only card on the table.

Dude, relax. The only thing that was agreed upon was that the proposal will be presented to the pilots for a vote. This isn't set in stone. The pilots can turn it down and still strike. Like mentioned above, the information will be packaged and provided to the pilots before the roadshow so they can ask whatever questions they may have before voting. You know, making an educated decision.

[rudder]

An AIP typically lacks some ‘final language’. Contracts are complicated and words matter. It will take a short while to draft that language in compliance with the AIP.

Nothing new in this process. It is NOT as simple as buying a house.

WJ Pilots get to vote on the TA. That is not always the case at other groups.

[flyinhigh]

He’s just angry that no one can post the details here yet.

If they had any idea how negotiations worked, then there would be no bitching. Posting the TA is not happening right now, it you want it now you’ll be looking at tons of sheets with signatures, scratched out wording, etc all over it.

How about you let these guys get a descent night sleep with there families, than let them get the TA put together, formatted, etc so it presentable and than can be presented so you can so desperately read it.