Agreement in Principle reached

[Maritimer]

There doesn't appear anything nefarious in this, so no trickery.

How do you know?

Well, it isn't the WJPA for starters, so already we're lightyears ahead

[loose]

He’s just angry that no one can post the details here yet.

If they had any idea how negotiations worked, then there would be no bitching. Posting the TA is not happening right now, it you want it now you’ll be looking at tons of sheets with signatures, scratched out wording, etc all over it.

How about you let these guys get a descent night sleep with there families, than let them get the TA put together, formatted, etc so it presentable and than can be presented so you can so desperately read it.

Ohgod, you’re intentionally missing my point.

[Bede]

I never understood why the union gets to agree on anything before sharing details with the pilots.

All they agreed to is to take the TA to a vote of the pilots.

My thoughts, by now Weatjet pilots should be privy of the details of the deal not this cat and mouse game.

Executive summary being released tonight.

Come on now, we’re pilots, we certainly ain’t the smartest group in the world but we don’t need a union rep to explain details of a contract to us!!

Unfortunately we do. More importantly, we need to know the why and the implications of certain sections.

I find it hard to believe there is no completely detailed agreement written out yet (after all, how else would there have been an agreement between management and the union?). You don't need an executive summary, you just need to see the agreement.

I highly doubt that there's a written TA right now. Some articles are probably complete, but for a lot of it, it's likely a term sheet with bullet points, which is what happens with large documents that go to the wire. After you agree in principle, you do things like making pay scales based on whatever formula you agreed to and finalize language. Then you have a TA to take to the group to vote on. Once it's passed you then need to negotiate how it will be implemented. We had items from CA1 implemented only last year - 3 years into the CA. That's how the process works. There's still a ton more work to be done.

[digits_]

I find it hard to believe there is no completely detailed agreement written out yet (after all, how else would there have been an agreement between management and the union?). You don't need an executive summary, you just need to see the agreement.

I highly doubt that there's a written TA right now. Some articles are probably complete, but for a lot of it, it's likely a term sheet with bullet points, which is what happens with large documents that go to the wire. After you agree in principle, you do things like making pay scales based on whatever formula you agreed to and finalize language. Then you have a TA to take to the group to vote on. Once it's passed you then need to negotiate how it will be implemented. We had items from CA1 implemented only last year - 3 years into the CA. That's how the process works. There's still a ton more work to be done.

Interesting, thanks for the clarification!

[digits_]

Another interesting way of looking at the 400 million / 4 years, is that it would roughtly add about 2 dollar per ticket.

100 000 000 CAD / (700 flights per day * 365 days) / 180 passengers = 2.17 CAD per passenger per flight

[co-joe]

So Year 4 Swoop Captains are now making $300k? That worked out alright for them.

No. System wide rebid apparently.

Ah, so Swoop Captains won't be able to hold a Captain position anymore.

Neither will most of the Sunwing Captains. Bummer for them, they won't get to vote on this.

[Canpilot7]

No. System wide rebid apparently.

Ah, so Swoop Captains won't be able to hold a Captain position anymore.

Neither will most of the Sunwing Captains. Bummer for them, they won't get to vote on this.

Sunwing is different - they aren't the same bargaining group. If/when they decide to merge them together, it will have to be an agreement - which won't happen.... So it'll be decided by an arbitrator.

But that's likely not going to be date of hire.

[Rednaxela]

No. System wide rebid apparently.

Ah, so Swoop Captains won't be able to hold a Captain position anymore.

Neither will most of the Sunwing Captains. Bummer for them, they won't get to vote on this.

Quite the speculative statement there.

[proppilot123]

WestJet Airlines & Swoop CA2 Tentative Agreement
Executive Summary
TERM
• Four-year collective agreement
COMPENSATION & EXPENSES
• Average WestJet hourly pay rate increases 15.5% on date of signing, PLUS 9.1% of WSP
added on top of the rates
• Retro-pay to January 1, 2023
• Cumulative WestJet hourly pay rate increases of 8.5% over remainder of the contract
o 2024: 3%
o 2025: 3%
o 2026: 2.5%
• Company WSP contribution rate of 10% with no Pilot matching requirement
• More tax advantageous dues deductions
• Bypass pay provisions
• Per diems increase 15%
• Increased training stipends
• Annual uniform allowance increases 48%
• Jazz-style LOLOP (Loss-of-License) program
LOU2
• Integration of Swoop flight operations into WestJet mainline beginning with five (5) tail
transfers in the fall of 2023. Full integration no later than October 2024
• Orderly rebid based on seniority commencing in fall 2023
• Pay protection and hourly rate increases for existing Swoop Pilots
SCOPE
• Single Employer application for Sunwing Pilots by June 2025
• Significant job protection via enhancements to Scope section
LIFESTYLE
• Improved scheduling rules with a minimum amount of flying published to Open Time at
the beginning of month. All subsequent Open Time published to FLiCA
• Increased Trip RIG ratio of 1:3.75 for January 2026
• Increased Minimum Duty Period Credit (MDPC) of 4.25 for January 2026
• Ability for Pilot to modify their schedule by trading pairings into Company Open Time
pool
• Codified and enhanced augmentation rules
• Higher reserve utilization – less time spent sitting, more productive time flying
• Long call reserve remains – significant enhancements to Proactive Pickup
• Mixed Reserve Lines are back
• Coming back from sick leave, Pilots can re-build their own schedule based on available
Open Time
• Extra legroom seats for all deadheads
• Premium seats for deadheads on flights over 6.5 hours
• 16-hour trigger for downtown hotels in North America with mutually agreed hotel
pickup times
• Expanded eligibility for relocation expenses, and the option for a lump sum reimbursement
• 5
th week of vacation after 25 years of service, minimum summer vacation amounts, and
additional bidding points for additional years of service
• Additional GDO per week of vacation, and the ability to take the entire month off with
three blocks of vacation in a month
• Expansion of the Reduced Block Program (RBP) with Temporary Reduced Blocks and
Temporary Zero Blocks. MMG for RBP Pilots flexes with the days worked
• Short term RBP access for Pilots returning from maternity/paternity leave
COMMUTERS
• Single-leg partial shift trades are back
• Numerous instances where Company will provide hotels at base
• Deadhead modifications up to CARs limits
• Ability to add a WJ flight to a third-party deadhead booking
• Cancelled deadheads can be used for a confirmed commute
• $40 hotel cancellation stipend
• Ground transportation for training at home base
OVERALL
• Global improvements to contract language
• Significant involvement of Association representatives in safety, training, scheduling,
grievance, discipline
• Streamlined grievance procedure with an accelerated arbitration process
• Significant language clean-up throughout the agreement

[Joe Blow Schmo]

Somewhat underwhelming.

[yowflyer23]

Looks fantastic to me as an outsider!

[FOD_Vacuum]

<— my reaction to this summary. Take it as you will..am I missing something here?

[TheLastonetoknow]

48% increase for uniforms? That’s gonna be a nice hat…

[Chelsea Handler]

Unfortunately this only appears to be the company giving back some of what companies have been taking away from Canadian pilots the past decade or so. It doesn't feel like any meaningful gains. We have more leverage than this basic bitch agreement.

[digits_]

15% covers about inflation for the past year and a half. Good thing inflation is back to 3% this year...

[maverick12]

Can someone explain the 10% vs 9.1% WSP values being stated, and does this mean an increase from WJ’s original 20% WSP match

[throwawaycorporate]

As an outsider:

Pros:

• Swoop pay and eventually Sunwing all under mainline pay (BIG)

• language around scheduling, commuting

• WSP no longer requires pilot contribution (although has it been cut from 20% Match to a 10% direct contribution?

Cons:

• Does a 15% raise match Air Canada's pre 2023/2024bargaining 737 rate?

• If Inflation remains sticky above 3%, then it will effectively be a pay decrease in 2024,2025,2026

Questions:

• My understanding was WS had a lacking take home due to the 20% match. What is the year 1FO take home with the new rate?

• Does the 15.5% and the 9.1% compound to be an effective 26% raise on current rates?

[BTD]

I’m not at Westjet.

But the summary says average pay increase of 15.5%. So different years of service may have %.

Also it says 9.1% of WSP would be added to the hourly rates. My understanding is that the WSP was up to 20% and will now be 10% of salary (with no pilot contributions any more)

So it seems likely the 9.1% will be applied to 10%, effectively adding 0.91% to the hourly rates.

Basically 15.5+0.91

Maybe I’m wrong but it seems that way.

[Mac08]

Not at Westjet either but I was expecting something… better?

I might be reading understanding it wrong and not my contract, just feels underwhelming.

[MorePower!]

23.5% raise over 4 years

Plus

19.1% "wsp", of which 9.1% is added to the pay scale, 10% added to the account. With 0% pilot contribution.

Plus other good stuff.

Not bad.

[khedrei]

I'm not at westjet either but I dont see much to celebrate.

Depending on how that 15% is divided up, new FO's are still making less than Flair nevermind what they should be making.

$400M over 1800 pilots, as was said before, the math isn't there.

I guess we will have to wait for the pay scales to see how the 15% is divided. Maybe 10 year captains got 2% and first year FO got 35%?

[BTD]

23.5% raise over 4 years

Plus

19.1% "wsp", of which 9.1% is added to the pay scale, 10% added to the account. With 0% pilot contribution.

Plus other good stuff.

Not bad.

How did you come up with 19.1%?

According to the summary, the WSP will be 10%. Of that 10% wsp 9.1% would be added to the hourly rate. That works out to 0.91%. So 2 or 3 dollars an hour on top of the average 15.5 increase.

[RockSalty]

23.5% raise over 4 years

Plus

19.1% "wsp", of which 9.1% is added to the pay scale, 10% added to the account. With 0% pilot contribution.

Plus other good stuff.

Not bad.

How did you come up with 19.1%?

According to the summary, the WSP will be 10%. Of that 10% wsp 9.1% would be added to the hourly rate. That works out to 0.91%. So 2 or 3 dollars an hour on top of the average 15.5 increase.

The way I read it is they broke up our WSP value into two different things, the 10% direct contribution savings and the other 9.1% being added to our pay.

[Greasy Greaser]

I think a HUGE thing that maybe some are missing is scope.
We just got practically exactly what the group(s) wanted which was most definitely the number one cost.

Now, obviously we have to see what the language clean up statement means as I think language is the most important thing for us since Kaplan did us dirty the first time around; but just like the media spins last few days, pay/salary is the hotter topic.

Pretty sure it's known industry wide, WJ gross pay is..gross. Seems like this actually addresses this and now can afford to drink again.

Again, gotta wait and see for the proper document to make an official decision but so far it is looking fine.
(US wages weren't happening LOL)

Also seems like we just used up our last lifeline to be honest, middle of may long now, no going back with that kind of leverage but I could be wrong on that one.

[Sharklasers]

Does that “15.5% average increase” take into account lifting all the swoop guys up to mainline wages? Because that would really skew the average.
I don’t think on its own that this is a bad deal. Major expensive scope improvement, some quality of life improvements that are on par with AC and substantial pay improvement.
But this deal does seem like a surrender and tacit agreement by the union that Canadian pilots don’t deserve and won’t be getting close to our US counterparts.