New payscale

[Aviator12]

Here is a comparison of A/C and WestJet hourly rates published by ALPA

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And the roadshow PowerPoint. Gives a pretty good overview.

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[Fanblade]

Those are pretty poor FO wages in relation to Captain wages. Not even close to a North American standard.

AC lowered wages for FO’s in 2012 to about 64-65%

The NA standard is 68-70%.

WJ looks like the 737 FO is just under 60%. 787 FO just over 60%.

There is more work to do

[KAG]

I'm happy with this TA. We had a LOT of house cleaning to do, and we got it done.
Sure the pay scales by themselves aren't a grand slam, but they're solid. The lifestyle tweaks appear very good.
Our vacation credit is among industry leading and we get 3 GDOS with each group of 5 days days off.

We can now "trade" 2 pairing each month (at first 48 hours post sched release) with OT pairings to tweak our schedule. Partial trades are back, as are gate trades.
Not to mention Flica, no fault commuting policy - there's a lot of flexibility.

Someone asked about MMG, our MMG remains 77.5, I'm usually blocked about 82. Depending on how I bid (single days vs sun layovers) I average 12 days a month scheduled. Some more, some less. This month is 16 days because I chased sun layovers.

In terms of raw $$$ AC will beat us hands down next CA. Lifestyle, I'd say we're ahead of all but the top 15% getting gravy schedules.

This CA appears like it's fixed a lot of $$ shortcomings, protected our careers (scope) while improving lifestyle.
I'm glad it passed.

[Hysteria]

I'm happy with this TA. We had a LOT of house cleaning to do, and we got it done.
Sure the pay scales by themselves aren't a grand slam, but they're solid. The lifestyle tweaks appear very good.
Our vacation credit is among industry leading and we get 3 GDOS with each group of 5 days days off.

We can now "trade" 2 pairing each month (at first 48 hours post sched release) with OT pairings to tweak our schedule. Partial trades are back, as are gate trades.
Not to mention Flica, no fault commuting policy - there's a lot of flexibility.

Someone asked about MMG, our MMG remains 77.5, I'm usually blocked about 82. Depending on how I bid (single days vs sun layovers) I average 12 days a month scheduled. Some more, some less. This month is 16 days because I chased sun layovers.

In terms of raw $$$ AC will beat us hands down next CA. Lifestyle, I'd say we're ahead of all but the top 15% getting gravy schedules.

This CA appears like it's fixed a lot of $$ shortcomings, protected our careers (scope) while improving lifestyle.
I'm glad it passed.

This may be a stupid question but can you do these ‘sun‘ layovers from yyc or yeg or are these trips bid by those based elsewhere?

[JBI]

This may be a stupid question but can you do these ‘sun‘ layovers from yyc or yeg or are these trips bid by those based elsewhere?

Each base gets a pretty good mix of layovers. Very generally speaking, YYZ gets more Caribbean layovers and the western bases get more Mexico/SW USA layovers.

You need to be ETOPs certified to do Hawaii layovers and those tend to be a little more base specific. In the past it was a little more: western crews did Hawaiis and YYZ crews did the Transatlantic stuff on the 737, but with all the changes that one's a little hard to predict. The YEG base is new and not at full capacity, so it'll take a bit of time to see what types of layovers they regularly get.

[Romain]

Now that the new CA was voted, how long will it take for it to be in effect?

[Blackdog0301]

Now that the new CA was voted, how long will it take for it to be in effect?

July 1

[KAG]

July 30th will be the first pay under new CA. I'll post what it looks like.

[Romain]

Oh great that is fast

[Hysteria]

This may be a stupid question but can you do these ‘sun‘ layovers from yyc or yeg or are these trips bid by those based elsewhere?

Each base gets a pretty good mix of layovers. Very generally speaking, YYZ gets more Caribbean layovers and the western bases get more Mexico/SW USA layovers.

You need to be ETOPs certified to do Hawaii layovers and those tend to be a little more base specific. In the past it was a little more: western crews did Hawaiis and YYZ crews did the Transatlantic stuff on the 737, but with all the changes that one's a little hard to predict. The YEG base is new and not at full capacity, so it'll take a bit of time to see what types of layovers they regularly get.

Understood. Thank you for the info

[Bil Derberg]

Do they have YOS at WJ? If you're FO let's say for 9 years, will they start you off at 9 year skipper pay when you upgrade?

[JBI]

Do they have YOS at WJ? If you're FO let's say for 9 years, will they start you off at 9 year skipper pay when you upgrade?

Yes

[Malfunction]

Anyone comment on how the new payscale is?

[Canadaflyer46]

Anyone comment on how the new payscale is?

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[Malfunction]

Can anyone post a pay stub under the new pay

[ant_321]

Anyone care to share what the take home pay is working out to for a year 9/10 captain under the new pay scales?

[200Above]

Can anyone post a pay stub under the new pay

Anyone care to share what the take home pay is working out to for a year 9/10 captain under the new pay scales?

Not a good sign.

[mmm...bacon]

^Not necessarily. Some (many?) of us are still a little coy about posting paystubs publicly.
The pay scale is a different matter…

[CaptDukeNukem]

^Not necessarily. Some (many?) of us are still a little coy about posting paystubs publicly.
The pay scale is a different matter…

Agreed. This is for all airlines. People don’t wanna share paystubs.

A Casio calculator watch or your cellphone and simple
Knowledge of Canada’s tax rate can give you a quick plus/minus on most other people’s paychecks. Or one could try their hand on doing math on paper again.

[cdnavater]

^Not necessarily. Some (many?) of us are still a little coy about posting paystubs publicly.
The pay scale is a different matter…

Agreed. This is for all airlines. People don’t wanna share paystubs.

A Casio calculator watch or your cellphone and simple
Knowledge of Canada’s tax rate can give you a quick plus/minus on most other people’s paychecks. Or one could try their hand on doing math on paper again.

I think the problem is WJ specific, they used to have so much taken off due to the stock match or whatever they called it, so they contributed 20% of gross but were taxed as though they contributed 40%. They would get the 40% back after vesting but the take home was very low due to this.
Now, with the new set up, I don’t believe they contribute, except maybe to the “pension” yet to be determined so someone is asking if the take home is now just based on salary less normal deductions. One big variable is the benefits deduction as well, I heard it was quite expensive and the pilots paid 100%, of course I am not sure about that.
The recent Jazz improvements had the take home increase quite a bit with the company paying our benefits except for the STD, plus a 50% increase for new hires, they are quite happy and can afford to eat proper meals now.

[CaptDukeNukem]

^Not necessarily. Some (many?) of us are still a little coy about posting paystubs publicly.
The pay scale is a different matter…

Agreed. This is for all airlines. People don’t wanna share paystubs.

A Casio calculator watch or your cellphone and simple
Knowledge of Canada’s tax rate can give you a quick plus/minus on most other people’s paychecks. Or one could try their hand on doing math on paper again.

I think the problem is WJ specific, they used to have so much taken off due to the stock match or whatever they called it, so they contributed 20% of gross but were taxed as though they contributed 40%. They would get the 40% back after vesting but the take home was very low due to this.
Now, with the new set up, I don’t believe they contribute, except maybe to the “pension” yet to be determined so someone is asking if the take home is now just based on salary less normal deductions. One big variable is the benefits deduction as well, I heard it was quite expensive and the pilots paid 100%, of course I am not sure about that.
The recent Jazz improvements had the take home increase quite a bit with the company paying our benefits except for the STD, plus a 50% increase for new hires, they are quite happy and can afford to eat proper meals now.

I guess I should have added : “extra Knowledge of pay deductions an asset” for calculating a “plus/minus” lol.

Cheers. Thanks for the correction