Toronto base wins the PRIZE!
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Vanguard,
I get your compassion for those on flat pay. We all agree. However your solution is self destructive.
I get your compassion for those on flat pay. We all agree. However your solution is self destructive.
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Again I agree.
VO is a HUGE part of the operation. They didn't hesitate to pull our B1's, not for a second. They are 100% counting on the "goodwill" (insert stupidity, or greed if it suits anyone better) of the pilot body to "continue giving".
This "fully legal" process can be as painless as just "not topping up" ones paycheque, for a month or two and living on their salary that we all knew full well going in. Or, you can save up for a strike, and possibly lose out on an ENTIRE paycheck or two. If we cohesively choose the former, this will be over in weeks. They will be begging us to come to the table.
It comes down to a choice now (no VO), or by fiat (likely strike) later. The big problem with pilots is, as "Scarface" Tony Montana said, "Never underestimate the other guys greed."
I'm putting my money on Montana.
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Maybe it’s time for your union to institute that 50% of all VO earned gets sent to the union. That’ll put a stop to it. AC pilots are in a position to make a real difference in wages, time for everyone to halt this overtime. Your only hurting yourselves.
-Rockin In The Free World
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Agreed with the need to eat but keep in mind ya'll, 58k is not hard at all to make up outside of flying. I personally do other stuff on the side which I absolutely do not like (not working the corner-yet...), to make ends meet and will not take any overtime from the company. It's a principle. This is our chance, all for one and one for all! let's act like a centipede with no busted legs!
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Should I eat the cuddlefish and asparagus or the vanilla paste?dh89 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:52 am Agreed with the need to eat but keep in mind ya'll, 58k is not hard at all to make up outside of flying. I personally do other stuff on the side which I absolutely do not like (not working the corner-yet...), to make ends meet and will not take any overtime from the company. It's a principle. This is our chance, all for one and one for all! let's act like a centipede with no busted legs!
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Love it !schnitzel2k3 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:36 pmhumancentipede.jpgdh89 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:52 am Agreed with the need to eat but keep in mind ya'll, 58k is not hard at all to make up outside of flying. I personally do other stuff on the side which I absolutely do not like (not working the corner-yet...), to make ends meet and will not take any overtime from the company. It's a principle. This is our chance, all for one and one for all! let's act like a centipede with no busted legs!
Should I eat the cuddlefish and asparagus or the vanilla paste?
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schnitzel2k3 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:36 pmhumancentipede.jpgdh89 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:52 am Agreed with the need to eat but keep in mind ya'll, 58k is not hard at all to make up outside of flying. I personally do other stuff on the side which I absolutely do not like (not working the corner-yet...), to make ends meet and will not take any overtime from the company. It's a principle. This is our chance, all for one and one for all! let's act like a centipede with no busted legs!
Should I eat the cuddlefish and asparagus or the vanilla paste?
Here comes cuddlefish, get ready!
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What is it we are being "told" to do? Not pick up VO? Because I have not seen this memo.RippleRock wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:28 am Way to got TO! You win the prize that comes with the "highest percentage of those listed to do voluntary work" outside your contractual obligations! You're SLAYING IT! Keep it up, you might win the CUP at this rate! An actual cup in TO, crazy times eh? Albeit the wrong one......but I digress.
The coveted Undermining Collective Unity Button is all yours! Wear it proudly, you just made it to the next round! May you rise to "mighty heights" on the backs of others efforts!
"Attaboy" from all the other bases actually pulling their weight and DOING WHAT THEY ARE TOLD!
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What do you want the MEC or Charlene to do? Call you personally?Jester123 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:34 amWhat is it we are being "told" to do? Not pick up VO? Because I have not seen this memo.RippleRock wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:28 am Way to got TO! You win the prize that comes with the "highest percentage of those listed to do voluntary work" outside your contractual obligations! You're SLAYING IT! Keep it up, you might win the CUP at this rate! An actual cup in TO, crazy times eh? Albeit the wrong one......but I digress.
The coveted Undermining Collective Unity Button is all yours! Wear it proudly, you just made it to the next round! May you rise to "mighty heights" on the backs of others efforts!
"Attaboy" from all the other bases actually pulling their weight and DOING WHAT THEY ARE TOLD!
They literally told you to enjoy your time at home with family. Unless you have a second family in Sao Paulo, it's time to stay at home and fly your block. If you can't see that you're part of the problem.
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Jester123 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:34 amWhat is it we are being "told" to do? Not pick up VO? Because I have not seen this memo.RippleRock wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:28 am Way to got TO! You win the prize that comes with the "highest percentage of those listed to do voluntary work" outside your contractual obligations! You're SLAYING IT! Keep it up, you might win the CUP at this rate! An actual cup in TO, crazy times eh? Albeit the wrong one......but I digress.
The coveted Undermining Collective Unity Button is all yours! Wear it proudly, you just made it to the next round! May you rise to "mighty heights" on the backs of others efforts!
"Attaboy" from all the other bases actually pulling their weight and DOING WHAT THEY ARE TOLD!
You understand the MEC can’t spell it out for you. The company played their card, it’s time to play ours.
Starting to see a lot of junior pilots taking advantage of the seniors not listing for VO on the narrow bodies. This only works if everyone is on the same page, you can justify it however you want but the ask isn’t big. Enjoy your summer.
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Like mentioned before, likely lots of new people with no union experience, who might not even understand why the MEC can't just come right out and speak directly. They need to appreciate the subtlety and reading between the lines required...
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Always a few hundred midwits (I didn’t know!), shitheads (it’s in the contract!), narcissist heroes (I’m helping the customers, I’m important!), climbers (please promote me!), and near retirements (I don’t care, I’m gone in 3 months).
Look, there’s no IQ test. These people are good at flying airplanes not necessarily at strategic thinking. The key is keeping them away from the important decisions, which as a group we’ve been terrible at for the last 15 years.
Look, there’s no IQ test. These people are good at flying airplanes not necessarily at strategic thinking. The key is keeping them away from the important decisions, which as a group we’ve been terrible at for the last 15 years.
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I can read between the lines and know what's up. I've been doing my part.RVR6000 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 6:24 amJester123 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:34 amWhat is it we are being "told" to do? Not pick up VO? Because I have not seen this memo.RippleRock wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:28 am Way to got TO! You win the prize that comes with the "highest percentage of those listed to do voluntary work" outside your contractual obligations! You're SLAYING IT! Keep it up, you might win the CUP at this rate! An actual cup in TO, crazy times eh? Albeit the wrong one......but I digress.
The coveted Undermining Collective Unity Button is all yours! Wear it proudly, you just made it to the next round! May you rise to "mighty heights" on the backs of others efforts!
"Attaboy" from all the other bases actually pulling their weight and DOING WHAT THEY ARE TOLD!
You understand the MEC can’t spell it out for you. The company played their card, it’s time to play ours.
Starting to see a lot of junior pilots taking advantage of the seniors not listing for VO on the narrow bodies. This only works if everyone is on the same page, you can justify it however you want but the ask isn’t big. Enjoy your summer.
Short term pain for long term gain.
EDIT: I cannot speak for my other Montreal comrades.
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Who could have imagined that this would happen? WHO?
Pilots "undermining the collective efforts of other pilots for over 20 years". Great new slogan, maybe a bag sticker. Pretty good show though!
Only a month ago........WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A THING OR TWO! WE'RE ALPA NOW, WE'RE SERIOUS! Right.
The first clear collective effort to show the Corp that we are finally dead serious after 2 decade of getting pounded, and what do we do? We trip over each other to grab the cash laying on the floor. So f'ing typical. It's tantamount to theft of others efforts.
You want to be taken seriously..... DO YOU??? What's the plan for that, and when is it going to happen, because it's apparently it's NOT NOW.
Every one of you better be FULLY AWARE that every pilot group at the ALPA "big table" has their eyes firmly fixed on our performance and resolve. We need to earn our seat. Are you worthy? ARE YOU? Don't put on the ALPA lanyard if you ARE NOT WORTHY OF IT. Don't "degrade the brand". Delta and United pilots won't appreciate it.
Maybe our real place is at the "little table". Cuz were sure acting like it.
FWIW......you WILL NOT rise to the levels of other Legacy Carriers if you do not unite, and DO AS YOU ARE TOLD. I will not happen for you. Take a moment to consider what your role will be in this push for change. You need to decide if you are going to be part of the solution, or continue to be the problem.
Pilots "undermining the collective efforts of other pilots for over 20 years". Great new slogan, maybe a bag sticker. Pretty good show though!
Only a month ago........WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A THING OR TWO! WE'RE ALPA NOW, WE'RE SERIOUS! Right.
The first clear collective effort to show the Corp that we are finally dead serious after 2 decade of getting pounded, and what do we do? We trip over each other to grab the cash laying on the floor. So f'ing typical. It's tantamount to theft of others efforts.
You want to be taken seriously..... DO YOU??? What's the plan for that, and when is it going to happen, because it's apparently it's NOT NOW.
Every one of you better be FULLY AWARE that every pilot group at the ALPA "big table" has their eyes firmly fixed on our performance and resolve. We need to earn our seat. Are you worthy? ARE YOU? Don't put on the ALPA lanyard if you ARE NOT WORTHY OF IT. Don't "degrade the brand". Delta and United pilots won't appreciate it.
Maybe our real place is at the "little table". Cuz were sure acting like it.
FWIW......you WILL NOT rise to the levels of other Legacy Carriers if you do not unite, and DO AS YOU ARE TOLD. I will not happen for you. Take a moment to consider what your role will be in this push for change. You need to decide if you are going to be part of the solution, or continue to be the problem.
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Fuckin A.RippleRock wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:41 am Who could have imagined that this would happen? WHO?
Pilots "undermining the collective efforts of other pilots for over 20 years". Great new slogan, maybe a bag sticker. Pretty good show though!
Only a month ago........WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A THING OR TWO! WE'RE ALPA NOW, WE'RE SERIOUS! Right.
The first clear collective effort to show the Corp that we are finally dead serious after 2 decade of getting pounded, and what do we do? We trip over each other to grab the cash laying on the floor. So f'ing typical. It's tantamount to theft of others efforts.
You want to be taken seriously..... DO YOU??? What's the plan for that, and when is it going to happen, because it's apparently it's NOT NOW.
Every one of you better be FULLY AWARE that every pilot group at the ALPA "big table" has their eyes firmly fixed on our performance and resolve. We need to earn our seat. Are you worthy? ARE YOU? Don't put on the ALPA lanyard if you ARE NOT WORTHY OF IT. Don't "degrade the brand". Delta and United pilots won't appreciate it.
Maybe our real place is at the "little table". Cuz were sure acting like it.
FWIW......you WILL NOT rise to the levels of other Legacy Carriers if you do not unite, and DO AS YOU ARE TOLD. I will not happen for you. Take a moment to consider what your role will be in this push for change. You need to decide if you are going to be part of the solution, or continue to be the problem.
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RippleRock wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:41 am Who could have imagined that this would happen? WHO?
Pilots "undermining the collective efforts of other pilots for over 20 years". Great new slogan, maybe a bag sticker. Pretty good show though!
Only a month ago........WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A THING OR TWO! WE'RE ALPA NOW, WE'RE SERIOUS! Right.
The first clear collective effort to show the Corp that we are finally dead serious after 2 decade of getting pounded, and what do we do? We trip over each other to grab the cash laying on the floor. So f'ing typical. It's tantamount to theft of others efforts.
You want to be taken seriously..... DO YOU??? What's the plan for that, and when is it going to happen, because it's apparently it's NOT NOW.
Every one of you better be FULLY AWARE that every pilot group at the ALPA "big table" has their eyes firmly fixed on our performance and resolve. We need to earn our seat. Are you worthy? ARE YOU? Don't put on the ALPA lanyard if you ARE NOT WORTHY OF IT. Don't "degrade the brand". Delta and United pilots won't appreciate it.
Maybe our real place is at the "little table". Cuz were sure acting like it.
FWIW......you WILL NOT rise to the levels of other Legacy Carriers if you do not unite, and DO AS YOU ARE TOLD. I will not happen for you. Take a moment to consider what your role will be in this push for change. You need to decide if you are going to be part of the solution, or continue to be the problem.
Exactly +1
There must be a way to get this a msg out and create job action light without the union directly involved? Some (group, social media?) way to educate, hammer home and shame those actively working against the collective. The union can’t recommend job action outside bargaining but can’t something else somehow?
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Exactly….. 4600 AC pilot’s need to read this.RippleRock wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:41 am Who could have imagined that this would happen? WHO?
Pilots "undermining the collective efforts of other pilots for over 20 years". Great new slogan, maybe a bag sticker. Pretty good show though!
Only a month ago........WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A THING OR TWO! WE'RE ALPA NOW, WE'RE SERIOUS! Right.
The first clear collective effort to show the Corp that we are finally dead serious after 2 decade of getting pounded, and what do we do? We trip over each other to grab the cash laying on the floor. So f'ing typical. It's tantamount to theft of others efforts.
You want to be taken seriously..... DO YOU??? What's the plan for that, and when is it going to happen, because it's apparently it's NOT NOW.
Every one of you better be FULLY AWARE that every pilot group at the ALPA "big table" has their eyes firmly fixed on our performance and resolve. We need to earn our seat. Are you worthy? ARE YOU? Don't put on the ALPA lanyard if you ARE NOT WORTHY OF IT. Don't "degrade the brand". Delta and United pilots won't appreciate it.
Maybe our real place is at the "little table". Cuz were sure acting like it.
FWIW......you WILL NOT rise to the levels of other Legacy Carriers if you do not unite, and DO AS YOU ARE TOLD. I will not happen for you. Take a moment to consider what your role will be in this push for change. You need to decide if you are going to be part of the solution, or continue to be the problem.
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Easy folks, slow down.
Our MEC recommended we enjoy our short Canadian summer with our families. It isn't summer yet. There should be no complaint with doing VO now, but come next month and August it will be a different story. Save the jabs till warranted.
Our MEC recommended we enjoy our short Canadian summer with our families. It isn't summer yet. There should be no complaint with doing VO now, but come next month and August it will be a different story. Save the jabs till warranted.
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It's time, the time starts now. We filed a notice to bargain. The company took away the B1 passes. Your colleagues are standing down on the VO front.
If you don't see that, well hopefully we can work together inspite of you.
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The company didn’t wait to pull passes. Why wait to stop VO?