312 flights cancelled in the last 4 days.

[link821]

And it’s only the beginning.

[truedude]

And it’s only the beginning.

As sad as it is, I've stopped carying. If the people in charge don't care enough to address the issues, I at the bottom certainly don't.

But July should be even better.

[rudder]

And it’s only the beginning.

Accountability?

[hsilgnepilot]

It will only get worse. Bye bye to most of the temp base options as a lot of YYC & YVR pilots have offers in upcoming WestJet ground schools.

[QKZXKV]

It will only get worse. Bye bye to most of the temp base options as a lot of YYC & YVR pilots have offers in upcoming WestJet ground schools.

Or have one foot out the door to there or elsewhere. It's really been a ball drop (a heavy medicine ball).

[RoAF-Mig21]

What's the source on this number? (genuine question, not trying to be a smart@$$)

[DouglasFir]

And it’s only the beginning.

If this is true … I don’t understand why something more substantive isn’t being done?

letting the status quo continue does not illicit much in the way of positive feelings about the longevity of the company or about our worth as employees.

[rudder]

It will only get worse. Bye bye to most of the temp base options as a lot of YYC & YVR pilots have offers in upcoming WestJet ground schools.

Most of the 90 day limits will be expiring anyway.

YYC base size should have been dealt with years ago. Now instead of being forced off base in a down bid (when there were few local opportunities) pilots who want to remain local has several attractive options.

Once again - making no decision is a decision. And doing nothing is a plan, just not a very effective one.

[truedude]

It will only get worse. Bye bye to most of the temp base options as a lot of YYC & YVR pilots have offers in upcoming WestJet ground schools.

Most of the 90 day limits will be expiring anyway.

YYC base size should have been dealt with years ago. Now instead of being forced off base in a down bid (when there were few local opportunities) pilots who want to remain local has several attractive options.

Once again - making no decision is a decision. And doing nothing is a plan, just not a very effective one.

They could also DH crews if they want to keep pilots. But forcing all these temp bases have made the decision to leave easy for some.

[rudder]

It will only get worse. Bye bye to most of the temp base options as a lot of YYC & YVR pilots have offers in upcoming WestJet ground schools.

Most of the 90 day limits will be expiring anyway.

YYC base size should have been dealt with years ago. Now instead of being forced off base in a down bid (when there were few local opportunities) pilots who want to remain local has several attractive options.

Once again - making no decision is a decision. And doing nothing is a plan, just not a very effective one.

They could also DH crews if they want to keep pilots. But forcing all these temp bases have made the decision to leave easy for some.

YYC is not a ‘focus city’ for AC and has not been for a long time. It is no more a focus city than YHZ/YWG/YOW. There was the opportunity to address geographical staffing in the last equipment bid. The decision was to do nothing.

Like most decisions, time will be assistive in judging the correctness of the decision.

[truedude]

Most of the 90 day limits will be expiring anyway.

YYC base size should have been dealt with years ago. Now instead of being forced off base in a down bid (when there were few local opportunities) pilots who want to remain local has several attractive options.

Once again - making no decision is a decision. And doing nothing is a plan, just not a very effective one.

They could also DH crews if they want to keep pilots. But forcing all these temp bases have made the decision to leave easy for some.

YYC is not a ‘focus city’ for AC and has not been for a long time. It is no more a focus city than YHZ/YWG/YOW. There was the opportunity to address geographical staffing in the last equipment bid. The decision was to do nothing.

Like most decisions, time will be assistive in judging the correctness of the decision.

How do you address it without most people who live there quiting?

[rudder]

They could also DH crews if they want to keep pilots. But forcing all these temp bases have made the decision to leave easy for some.

YYC is not a ‘focus city’ for AC and has not been for a long time. It is no more a focus city than YHZ/YWG/YOW. There was the opportunity to address geographical staffing in the last equipment bid. The decision was to do nothing.

Like most decisions, time will be assistive in judging the correctness of the decision.

How do you address it without most people who live there quiting?

Well, that may become moot.

Western pilots are already looking for alternatives. YYC in particular. Therefore, attrition is already shrinking the base.

And if there are forced reductions resulting from the August bid, more will leave.

The point is that the future of the YYC base is tenuous. It always has been. This is not a new topic.

I would be surprised to see the YYC CRJ base survive the August bid. It seems with the migration of historical CRJ900 flying out of YVR to AC, there is just not the need for the volume of western based CRJ pilots that there was prior to COVID.

Perpetual DH to fly is not sustainable. Likely AC would have an issue with that as well.

Change is coming. And it will likely affect well beyond the west.

[link821]

What's the source on this number? (genuine question, not trying to be a smart@$$)

FlightAware keeps track of all the cancellations and delays of all airlines I guess. Just added up all the totals for the last few days.

Looks like todays total ended up being 103 cancelled, 19% of our daily flights.

[Nick678]

Goal should be 100% until issues are resolved

[Inverted2]

I heard we are averaging over 1 resignation a day.

[rudder]

Goal should be 100% until issues are resolved

Notwithstanding WXX/MTC/ATC - flight completion appears under measurable duress.

The resolution may include commercial decisions beyond what is already in the public space (previously announced block hour reductions and PAL).

There are already significant numbers of Jazz/Express airframes sitting idle on hangar lines on weekdays.

[truedude]

Increasingly, I am starting to believe that whatever solution arrises from all this, will be designed to screw us.

[kiaszceski]

I heard we are averaging over 1 resignation a day.

Only?
I'm surprised.

[rudder]

I heard we are averaging over 1 resignation a day.

Only?
I'm surprised.

If flow was being honoured it would be 2+ per day.

Makes you wonder what the end game is at Jazz.

[Crewbunk]

If flow was being honoured it would be 2+ per day.

Makes you wonder what the end game is at Jazz.

These are two excellent points. Funny that current pilot resignations are less than the previous agreement.

The end game at Jazz?

With my far too long time at AC, one thing I have learned … At any one time, the company is always 20 steps, 1000 miles and 12 months ahead of the pilots. I think it would be extremely naive to think that current conditions at Jazz were not expected.

[truedude]

If flow was being honoured it would be 2+ per day.

Makes you wonder what the end game is at Jazz.

These are two excellent points. Funny that current pilot resignations are less than the previous agreement.

The end game at Jazz?

With my far too long time at AC, one thing I have learned … At any one time, the company is always 20 steps, 1000 miles and 12 months ahead of the pilots. I think it would be extremely naive to think that current conditions at Jazz were not expected.

You are right, they absolutely brilliant for ensuring all of AC competitors have been getting a steady stream of well trained qualified pilots. Absolutely great business decision.

I have no doubt something is coming and they will try to screw pilots again. But I don't see any master class moves happening.

[JBI]

From the outside looking in, I'm actually pretty shocked that Jazz/AC let the situation get like this. Jazz seemed to be well ahead of the competition at bringing in new pilots and offering them reasons to stay. The exodus of Encore pilots to AC when WJ stopped flow should have been a giant red flag of what would happen if you didn't honour your promises to pilots, yet, here we are. Encore is a major source of pilots for AC and, I think, Jazz will become a major source of pilots for WJ (in the west) and Porter (in the east).

[rudder]

If flow was being honoured it would be 2+ per day.

Makes you wonder what the end game is at Jazz.

These are two excellent points. Funny that current pilot resignations are less than the previous agreement.

The end game at Jazz?

With my far too long time at AC, one thing I have learned … At any one time, the company is always 20 steps, 1000 miles and 12 months ahead of the pilots. I think it would be extremely naive to think that current conditions at Jazz were not expected.

The CHR end game and the AC end game may or may not align.

AC will do what it has to do. That is already being demonstrated.

[Crewbunk]

I have no doubt something is coming and they will try to screw pilots again. But I don't see any master class moves happening.

It’s probably just more than three decades of experience talking. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve sat back and thought, “what the hell are they doing? Why would they agree to that?” Only to have it all make sense a year later.

The best course of action for Jazz’s pilots is to find out what that “end game” is, and have a counter plan.

[kiaszceski]

From the outside looking in, I'm actually pretty shocked that Jazz/AC let the situation get like this. Jazz seemed to be well ahead of the competition at bringing in new pilots and offering them reasons to stay. The exodus of Encore pilots to AC when WJ stopped flow should have been a giant red flag of what would happen if you didn't honour your promises to pilots, yet, here we are. Encore is a major source of pilots for AC and, I think, Jazz will become a major source of pilots for WJ (in the west) and Porter (in the east).

Mr JBI is right. That will shrink Jazz and give more flying to PAL. That will help Chorus leave the CPA as they are transitioning into a leasing company mainly.