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Re: 312 flights cancelled in the last 4 days.

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kiaszceski wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:21 am
JBI wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:01 am From the outside looking in, I'm actually pretty shocked that Jazz/AC let the situation get like this. Jazz seemed to be well ahead of the competition at bringing in new pilots and offering them reasons to stay. The exodus of Encore pilots to AC when WJ stopped flow should have been a giant red flag of what would happen if you didn't honour your promises to pilots, yet, here we are. Encore is a major source of pilots for AC and, I think, Jazz will become a major source of pilots for WJ (in the west) and Porter (in the east).
Mr JBI is right. That will shrink Jazz and give more flying to PAL. That will help Chorus leave the CPA as they are transitioning into a leasing company mainly.
First Chorus is a holding company, Jazz is the comoany with the CPA, which in turn leases airplanes for the CPA from Chrous.
Two, what makes you think PAL can staff any of this? You have said nothing but nonesense.
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kiaszceski wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:21 am Mr JBI is right. That will shrink Jazz and give more flying to PAL. That will help Chorus leave the CPA as they are transitioning into a leasing company mainly.
Or …. just conjecture here … maybe AC wanted out of the CPA and when Chorus/Jazz couldn’t fulfill their contractual obligations, they saw an escape.

Remember, we all saw this coming at least a year ago. You think AC didn’t??? If AC truly wanted to “fix things” they could have given Jazz pilots a 40% raise, just like every other airline in Canada has done ….but they chose not to. They chose not to.
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Crewbunk wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:29 am
kiaszceski wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:21 am Mr JBI is right. That will shrink Jazz and give more flying to PAL. That will help Chorus leave the CPA as they are transitioning into a leasing company mainly.
Or …. just conjecture here … maybe AC wanted out of the CPA and when Chorus/Jazz couldn’t fulfill their contractual obligations, they saw an escape.

Remember, we all saw this coming at least a year ago. You think AC didn’t??? If AC truly wanted to “fix things” they could have given Jazz pilots a 40% raise, just like every other airline in Canada has done ….but they chose not to. They chose not to.

This.... every action or non action is a choice.

Jazz and AC chose not to raise wages to help retention. It dosnt take a genius to tell you this is being allowed to happen. Upper Management are not idiots in fact they are probably smarter than you when it comes to business they know exactly what's going on. Plan your future accordingly if your not happy at jazz then leave when you can.

Another food for thought.... with all the jazz pilots leaving to companies other than AC. What do you think AC will do to the flow? That's right ... reduced even more.
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Crewbunk wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:29 am
kiaszceski wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:21 am Mr JBI is right. That will shrink Jazz and give more flying to PAL. That will help Chorus leave the CPA as they are transitioning into a leasing company mainly.
Or …. just conjecture here … maybe AC wanted out of the CPA and when Chorus/Jazz couldn’t fulfill their contractual obligations, they saw an escape.

Remember, we all saw this coming at least a year ago. You think AC didn’t??? If AC truly wanted to “fix things” they could have given Jazz pilots a 40% raise, just like every other airline in Canada has done ….but they chose not to. They chose not to.
Right, and I am sure canceling 10 to 20% of their regional flights everyday was all part of the plan too. That's why they sold seats on them, so not to run them. Because of this brilliant plan.
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truedude wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:56 am Right, and I am sure canceling 10 to 20% of their regional flights everyday was all part of the plan too. That's why they sold seats on them, so not to run them. Because of this brilliant plan.
Oh, I don’t disagree, just don’t be surprised if in twelve months from now, you’re not saying, “Holy crap, I did not see that coming”.

But that goes back to the premise of this thread and their game plan. What is their end game? Remember, if we saw it coming so did they.

But the advice above for Jazz pilots is well thought out. Make sure you always have an out. Think about the worse possible scenario and plan for it. You know … the way we fly.
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And considering the only thing AC management can't do is whine that pilots aren't picking up overtime, alleging some sort of job action, I think once again it I'd safe to say they have no actual plan.

Oh I am sure I won't see what they do coming. But I suspect they don't even know what that is yet.
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Re: 312 flights cancelled in the last 4 days.

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It looks like the airlines and airports are putting the blame for flight cancellations on ATC:

https://www.albertaprimetimes.com/beyon ... es-7198300

Staffing shortages at Canada’s air traffic control agency caused hundreds of weekend flights to be cancelled at the country’s two biggest airports.

Toronto Pearson International Airport had a total of 446 departing flights delayed and 73 cancelled on Saturday and Sunday, according to FlightAware.com, while Vancouver International Airport had 204 delays and 15 cancellations. Both airports pointed the finger at Nav Canada, the country’s air-traffic controller, as the peak travel season begins.

Nav Canada spokesperson Maryam Amini said “unplanned absences” of air-traffic controllers caused the delays, and the agency is working to bolster its work force. “Having enough people to deliver safe and efficient air navigation services is a top priority for Nav Canada,” she said. “Our front-line air traffic services training programs are currently being run at full capacity.”

The delays cascaded throughout the network, although it is not known how many stemmed from Vancouver or Toronto. Montreal Trudeau International Airport had several flights delayed, which spokesperson Nadia Benelfellah said were owing to bad weather on the East Coast – not Nav Canada constraints. At Calgary International Airport, 23 per cent of departing flights were delayed on Saturday.

“Nav Canada has instituted a ground delay program at YYZ today,” Pearson said in a tweet on Saturday. Vancouver blamed “constraints within the Nav Canada air navigation system” for the delays and cancellations.

Spokespeople for Toronto and Vancouver airports referred requests for details to Nav Canada.

The pandemic caused layoffs across most of the global aviation sector. But unlike some positions, including baggage handlers, air-traffic controllers cannot be quickly hired or replaced. It takes about two years to become trained as a Nav Canada air-traffic controller, and the program’s failure rate is about 60 per cent. Nav Canada stopped hiring trainees during the pandemic, and dismissed some already in training, said Nick von Schoenberg, president of the Canadian Air Traffic Control Association, the union that represents about 1,850 controllers. “We’re going to be paying the price here for the next year or two,” he said by phone.

Mr. von Schoenberg said the employer is trying to add to its work force but cannot do so overnight, and is about 250 or 300 people short. This means if an air-traffic controller is sick, or cannot work overtime, disruptions can occur. The work is highly regulated for safety reasons. Controllers must be “fit for duty” and cannot exceed a 48-hour work week averaged over 56 days, he said.

Nav Canada’s Ms. Amini said there are more than 400 employees in training, and another 600 will enter the program over the next two years. “It is a company-wide priority to make every effort to support the anticipated increased traffic during busy travel seasons and we are committed to working with our employees and unions on this front,” she said.

The shortage of air-traffic controllers is not unique to Canada. Regulators in Europe, Britain and the U.S. are also grappling with the problem.

Monette Pasher, head of the Canadian Airports Council, said the pandemic-related shortages in skilled positions persists, and this will be evident on some of the summer’s busiest travel days.

“This is an interconnected system and labour shortages for highly skilled positions are still recovering,” Ms. Pasher said. “During the pandemic this industry lost a pipeline of air-traffic controllers and pilots and it will take time to rebuild and retrain these work forces.” She warned peak travel days could be beset by problems “from time to time” because of various strains on the system.

Air Canada spokesperson Peter Fitzpatrick said some weekend flights in Canada and the U.S. were disrupted because of air-traffic restrictions, while others were owing to weather in Florida and the U.S. Northeast. “With the industry now in its summer peak, any disruptions can cascade throughout the entire system and affect all industry participants,” Mr. Fitzpatrick said.
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Lol classic finger pointing…the fact that there was no reserve B coverage for yvr captains, resulting in alternating yxt yxs CD cancellations is Nav Canadas fault? “The house is on fire and the companies mowing the lawn”
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rudder wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:08 pm
link821 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:48 am And it’s only the beginning.
Accountability?
25 days, hundreds of flights cancelled, average of 1 pilot a day resigning, many many more with interviews who otherwise wouldn’t have left….zero communication from either the union or the company
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link821 wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:05 pm
rudder wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:08 pm
link821 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:48 am And it’s only the beginning.
Accountability?
25 days, hundreds of flights cancelled, average of 1 pilot a day resigning, many many more with interviews who otherwise wouldn’t have left….zero communication from either the union or the company
Because they don't know what to do. Because everything they know to do, no longer works. All they know is they don't want to pay pilots more. Everything else is them flailing around. PAL is a perfect example.
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Malfunction wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:37 am
Crewbunk wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:29 am
kiaszceski wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:21 am Mr JBI is right. That will shrink Jazz and give more flying to PAL. That will help Chorus leave the CPA as they are transitioning into a leasing company mainly.
Or …. just conjecture here … maybe AC wanted out of the CPA and when Chorus/Jazz couldn’t fulfill their contractual obligations, they saw an escape.

Remember, we all saw this coming at least a year ago. You think AC didn’t??? If AC truly wanted to “fix things” they could have given Jazz pilots a 40% raise, just like every other airline in Canada has done ….but they chose not to. They chose not to.

Upper Management are not idiots in fact they are probably smarter than you when it comes to business they know exactly what's going on. Plan your future accordingly if your not happy at jazz then leave when you can.
You’re giving them too much credit, I don’t think they’re that bright. At AC they took away a zero-cost admin item just prior to their most profitable quarter. Pissing of 4700 pilots, the operational cost from this is probably in the tens of millions. Now they’re crying as to pilots not picking up overtime to keep the operation going.
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RVR6000 wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:40 pm
Malfunction wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:37 am
Crewbunk wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:29 am

Or …. just conjecture here … maybe AC wanted out of the CPA and when Chorus/Jazz couldn’t fulfill their contractual obligations, they saw an escape.

Remember, we all saw this coming at least a year ago. You think AC didn’t??? If AC truly wanted to “fix things” they could have given Jazz pilots a 40% raise, just like every other airline in Canada has done ….but they chose not to. They chose not to.

Upper Management are not idiots in fact they are probably smarter than you when it comes to business they know exactly what's going on. Plan your future accordingly if your not happy at jazz then leave when you can.
You’re giving them too much credit, I don’t think they’re that bright. At AC they took away a zero-cost admin item just prior to their most profitable quarter. Pissing of 4700 pilots, the operational cost from this is probably in the tens of millions. Now they’re crying as to pilots not picking up overtime to keep the operation going.
This exactly! They are playing the game Luke they did 20 years ago, and surprised at the results it is producing. They are compeltly out of touch with the reality of the situation, and the pilot market.
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Inverted2 wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:56 am I heard we are averaging over 1 resignation a day. :wink:
222 have left YTD. 88 between March 31 and June 15.

So 1.25/day for 2023 looks like the average although it will skew based on the AC flow rate.

That extrapolates to a further 246 resignations for 2023. With WJ, Porter, and Transat hiring, my guess is it will be more. Only variable will be AC permitted flow.
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rudder wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:57 am
Inverted2 wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:56 am I heard we are averaging over 1 resignation a day. :wink:
222 have left YTD. 88 between March 31 and June 15.

So 1.25/day for 2023 looks like the average although it will skew based on the AC flow rate.

That extrapolates to a further 246 resignations for 2023. With WJ, Porter, and Transat hiring, my guess is it will be more. Only variable will be AC permitted flow.
Apprently AC is in the process of giving 120 Jazz pilots a gs date starting in September. Seems like a bit of a last ditch effort to keep people on property... but it won't stop those leaving for WJ as they never planned on going to AC.
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truedude wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:03 am
rudder wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:57 am
Inverted2 wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:56 am I heard we are averaging over 1 resignation a day. :wink:
222 have left YTD. 88 between March 31 and June 15.

So 1.25/day for 2023 looks like the average although it will skew based on the AC flow rate.

That extrapolates to a further 246 resignations for 2023. With WJ, Porter, and Transat hiring, my guess is it will be more. Only variable will be AC permitted flow.
Apprently AC is in the process of giving 120 Jazz pilots a gs date starting in September. Seems like a bit of a last ditch effort to keep people on property... but it won't stop those leaving for WJ as they never planned on going to AC.
YYC domiciled pilots will depart for WJ.

Younger YVR pilots probably willing to relocate so all doors are open out there. YVR pilots wishing to remain local will choose WJ.

YUL pilots to Transat and Porter (although no TS new-hires can hold YUL).

YYZ pilots to all 3 carriers (plus Morningstar and Cargojet).

Firm AC PIT dates may keep some pilots from leaping. A system of deferred AC seniority numbers (plus recalibrated wages) may have averted 50% or more of the resignations.
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Re: 312 flights cancelled in the last 4 days.

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rudder wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:11 am
truedude wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:03 am
rudder wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:57 am

222 have left YTD. 88 between March 31 and June 15.

So 1.25/day for 2023 looks like the average although it will skew based on the AC flow rate.

That extrapolates to a further 246 resignations for 2023. With WJ, Porter, and Transat hiring, my guess is it will be more. Only variable will be AC permitted flow.
Apprently AC is in the process of giving 120 Jazz pilots a gs date starting in September. Seems like a bit of a last ditch effort to keep people on property... but it won't stop those leaving for WJ as they never planned on going to AC.
YYC domiciled pilots will depart for WJ.

Younger YVR pilots probably willing to relocate so all doors are open out there. YVR pilots wishing to remain local will choose WJ.

YUL pilots to Transat and Porter (although no TS new-hires can hold YUL).

YYZ pilots to all 3 carriers (plus Morningstar and Cargojet).

Firm AC PIT dates may keep some pilots from leaping. A system of deferred AC seniority numbers (plus recalibrated wages) may have averted 50% or more of the resignations.
I'm curious how many of the mid seniority people in YYC that are floating the idea of leaving Jazz for WJ will actually pull the trigger.
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QKZXKV wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:48 am
rudder wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:11 am
truedude wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:03 am

Apprently AC is in the process of giving 120 Jazz pilots a gs date starting in September. Seems like a bit of a last ditch effort to keep people on property... but it won't stop those leaving for WJ as they never planned on going to AC.
YYC domiciled pilots will depart for WJ.

Younger YVR pilots probably willing to relocate so all doors are open out there. YVR pilots wishing to remain local will choose WJ.

YUL pilots to Transat and Porter (although no TS new-hires can hold YUL).

YYZ pilots to all 3 carriers (plus Morningstar and Cargojet).

Firm AC PIT dates may keep some pilots from leaping. A system of deferred AC seniority numbers (plus recalibrated wages) may have averted 50% or more of the resignations.
I'm curious how many of the mid seniority people in YYC that are floating the idea of leaving Jazz for WJ will actually pull the trigger.
From the looks of the updated position list. Many already have.
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link821 wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:54 am
QKZXKV wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:48 am
rudder wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:11 am

YYC domiciled pilots will depart for WJ.

Younger YVR pilots probably willing to relocate so all doors are open out there. YVR pilots wishing to remain local will choose WJ.

YUL pilots to Transat and Porter (although no TS new-hires can hold YUL).

YYZ pilots to all 3 carriers (plus Morningstar and Cargojet).

Firm AC PIT dates may keep some pilots from leaping. A system of deferred AC seniority numbers (plus recalibrated wages) may have averted 50% or more of the resignations.
I'm curious how many of the mid seniority people in YYC that are floating the idea of leaving Jazz for WJ will actually pull the trigger.
From the looks of the updated position list. Many already have.
I've been told to be cautious with the latest POS list because it's reflecting fall backfills already... but would not be surprised to see the lists shrinking despite this.
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link821 wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:54 am
QKZXKV wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:48 am
rudder wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:11 am

YYC domiciled pilots will depart for WJ.

Younger YVR pilots probably willing to relocate so all doors are open out there. YVR pilots wishing to remain local will choose WJ.

YUL pilots to Transat and Porter (although no TS new-hires can hold YUL).

YYZ pilots to all 3 carriers (plus Morningstar and Cargojet).

Firm AC PIT dates may keep some pilots from leaping. A system of deferred AC seniority numbers (plus recalibrated wages) may have averted 50% or more of the resignations.
I'm curious how many of the mid seniority people in YYC that are floating the idea of leaving Jazz for WJ will actually pull the trigger.
From the looks of the updated position list. Many already have.
If you want to live in YYC …… and you do not want to EVER have to commute…. and your plan is not to go to AC….. and you are under 40 - WJ is not a bad option.

Jazz would have to put it in the CBA that YYC will NEVER close and bump pay significantly to be offering what WJ is offering. And the Jazz offer would only apply to 2035.

Smart people make smart decisions and mitigate risk (or harm).
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https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled/today
RoAF-Mig21 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:00 pm What's the source on this number? (genuine question, not trying to be a smart@$$)
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Crewbunk wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:30 am
With my far too long time at AC, one thing I have learned … At any one time, the company is always 20 steps, 1000 miles and 12 months ahead of the pilots. I think it would be extremely naive to think that current conditions at Jazz were not expected.
It’s true that the employer is almost always out in front of its employees. Management makes decisions and the union is by in large reactionary. But this is everywhere and every industry. That doesn’t in itself mean the decisions management is making are quality decisions or will work.

Currently Jazz is supposed to have 125 regional aircraft in operation.

In the not so distant future and after the arrival of a bunch more A220’s, Jazz will be smaller regional fleet. The pilot shortage is driving up gauging, but aircraft take time to arrive.

They are attempting to bridge this gap without paying higher wages to pilots at Jazz. They know the pilot requirement at Jazz is lower down the road and are attempting to use anything at their disposal as a stop gap instead of paying. PAL, 737/220s on regional routes. Abandon other routes.

That’s the plan. A blind determination to not pay pilots at any price even if that means some harm while in transition. Jazz pilots, like WJ pilots were, are at the pointy end of the spear at the moment. The risk of this plan is operational chaos. They have chosen to take this risk.

Back to, is this management decision a quality one? Considering the operational challenges AC has had post Covid? Considering they are self inflicting more operational challenges? Considering how the government might react to another poor operational summer? Considering that unless the shortage evaporates they will have to pay anyway? Considering they pissed off their mainline pilots at the same time and have lost access to a pool of pilots on days off.

Considering how US carriers responded. They upped regional pay to maintain continuity in the transition to smaller regionals. It has provided stability.

I think management has bought off more than they can chew and the operational consequences this summer won’t have been worth it. We will see if the risk was worth it and if those who made the decision keep their jobs.

At the end of the day the operational consequences are dumped onto the paying passenger. All because AC doesn’t want to pay the going rate to pilots. It’s bad for business. A risk so far they are willing to take.
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Fanblade wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 7:46 am
Crewbunk wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:30 am
With my far too long time at AC, one thing I have learned … At any one time, the company is always 20 steps, 1000 miles and 12 months ahead of the pilots. I think it would be extremely naive to think that current conditions at Jazz were not expected.
It’s true that the employer is almost always out in front of its employees. Management makes decisions and the union is by in large reactionary. But this is everywhere and every industry. That doesn’t in itself mean the decisions management is making are quality decisions or will work.

Currently Jazz is supposed to have 125 regional aircraft in operation.

In the not so distant future and after the arrival of a bunch more A220’s, Jazz will be smaller regional fleet. The pilot shortage is driving up gauging, but aircraft take time to arrive.

They are attempting to bridge this gap without paying higher wages to pilots at Jazz. They know the pilot requirement at Jazz is lower down the road and are attempting to use anything at their disposal as a stop gap instead of paying. PAL, 737/220s on regional routes. Abandon other routes.

That’s the plan. A blind determination to not pay pilots at any price even if that means some harm while in transition. Jazz pilots, like WJ pilots were, are at the pointy end of the spear at the moment. The risk of this plan is operational chaos. They have chosen to take this risk.

Back to, is this management decision a quality one? Considering the operational challenges AC has had post Covid? Considering they are self inflicting more operational challenges? Considering how the government might react to another poor operational summer? Considering that unless the shortage evaporates they will have to pay anyway? Considering they pissed off their mainline pilots at the same time and have lost access to a pool of pilots on days off.

Considering how US carriers responded. They upped regional pay to maintain continuity in the transition to smaller regionals. It has provided stability.

I think management has bought off more than they can chew and the operational consequences this summer won’t have been worth it. We will see if the risk was worth it and if those who made the decision keep their jobs.

At the end of the day the operational consequences are dumped onto the paying passenger. All because AC doesn’t want to pay the going rate to pilots. It’s bad for business. A risk so far they are willing to take.
Even with a smaller Jazz, they ar3 still going to have to pay more if they want a regional at all. And all they have done in the mean time is help their competitors scale up with highly qualified pilots, while shooting themselves in the foot.

All I see is a huge amount of stupidity at play.
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Fanblade wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 7:46 am

Currently Jazz is supposed to have 125 regional aircraft in operation.
Actually, the min fleet per the CPA is 105. And the more relevant metric (which is not typically publicly disclosed) are the block hour requirements associated with the Express fleet. One would presume that summer flying period would normally be maximum daily airframe utilization with lesser requirements in the shoulder and off seasons.

Block hour info for the CPA is no longer publicly disclosed by either CHR or AC.

One can only presume that the reason for the PAL announcement is that AC has an Express block hour requirement that cannot be met solely by Jazz.

Assuming Jazz is losing 35-45 pilots per month in a total active pilot population of approximately 1100 pilots, that is not an excessively onerous replacement burden presuming hiring is at 35-45 pilots per month. The other factor is the demographic of the resignation population. Is it CA? FO? Training pilots? Check pilots? Equipment type?

Airlines typically set staffing levels for ‘peak’ flying levels. That is exactly where we are in the annual cycle. It means that any staffing shortfall will likely have measurable negative impact operationally.

Applies to both mainline and Express.
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smooth wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:46 am https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled/today
RoAF-Mig21 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:00 pm What's the source on this number? (genuine question, not trying to be a smart@$$)
Looks pretty accurate when just looking at the GTAA Departures List. Out of 9 flights, 5 were cancelled flights in just one 10-minute span:
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I think I counted over 30 cancelled departures at YYZ alone. That would in turn result in a similar number of cancelled arrivals (due to the hub-and-spoke nature of YYZ). Extrapolate this across the entire country, and you can see how the cancellations add up.
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Re: 312 flights cancelled in the last 4 days.

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DHC-1 Jockey wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 2:20 pm
smooth wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:46 am https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled/today
RoAF-Mig21 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:00 pm What's the source on this number? (genuine question, not trying to be a smart@$$)
Looks pretty accurate when just looking at the GTAA Departures List. Out of 9 flights, 5 were cancelled flights in just one 10-minute span:
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I think I counted over 30 cancelled departures at YYZ alone. That would in turn result in a similar number of cancelled arrivals (due to the hub-and-spoke nature of YYZ). Extrapolate this across the entire country, and you can see how the cancellations add up.
Good preview of what the rest of the summer will look like. And 100% preventable, as it was predictable. But they are too cheap and to willfully ignorant to understand the industry has changed, and refuse to change with it. And this is the result. Hopefully those responsible will be shown the door.
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