312 flights cancelled in the last 4 days.

[QKZXKV]

Pretty sad!

YVR is much of the same. For the Jazz end of things, I talk with friends who've told me that there's a bunch of pilots sitting on Training reserve/reassignment with no communication from the training coordinator in charge. Environment is such crap the TPs don't want to do any more work than they have to.

[Inverted2]

A lot of the training guys are refusing overtime too. The company got their 17 year contract. Now they have to eat it.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Pretty sad!

YVR is much of the same. For the Jazz end of things, I talk with friends who've told me that there's a bunch of pilots sitting on Training reserve/reassignment with no communication from the training coordinator in charge. Environment is such crap the TPs don't want to do any more work than they have to.

If morale is low, and people are overworked….I doubt anyone answers a phone, unless you are a jazz FO living in downtown Toronto 790 sq ft condo with 2 kids, paying rent up the wazoo, trying to get to AC for what’s still at this day called “flat pay” in order to sit on reserve for years to come and “be happy”

[Fanblade]

Contrast what is happening at Jazz to Porter. Apparently Deluce has announced a new benchmarking exercise for this month. Increasing Q wages and making sure Q drivers have a route to the E jet on the agenda this time.

Porter is getting out in front. They have been the beneficiary of both AC and WJ’s refusal to acknowledge the new reality. Now it is just AC. They know that as long as AC keeps up with its current strategy they have an advantage on recruitment, but it will end at some point. They also know Porter needs to look like a career destination for when AC finally comes to its senses, as the flood gates could reverse.

[rudder]

Contrast what is happening at Jazz to Porter. Apparently Deluce has announced a new benchmarking exercise for this month. Increasing Q wages and making sure Q drivers have a route to the E jet on the agenda this time.

Porter is getting out in front. They have been the beneficiary of both AC and WJ’s refusal to acknowledge the new reality. Now it is just AC. They know that as long as AC keeps up with its current strategy they have an advantage on recruitment, but it will end at some point. They also know Porter needs to look like a career destination for when AC finally comes to its senses, as the flood gates could reverse.

Also known as:

- situational awareness
- common sense
- adaptability
- acceptance of reality

[smooth]

There is a junior pilot from Air Canada joined their E2 class last month...it's crazy i know, first person go from AC to Porter that I know

But again, there are people leaving Q and E2 to AC and WJ every month, they need another benchmark to keep people, especially they have 2 new E2s coming every month but not enough people to fly it

Contrast what is happening at Jazz to Porter. Apparently Deluce has announced a new benchmarking exercise for this month. Increasing Q wages and making sure Q drivers have a route to the E jet on the agenda this time.

Porter is getting out in front. They have been the beneficiary of both AC and WJ’s refusal to acknowledge the new reality. Now it is just AC. They know that as long as AC keeps up with its current strategy they have an advantage on recruitment, but it will end at some point. They also know Porter needs to look like a career destination for when AC finally comes to its senses, as the flood gates could reverse.

[rudder]

There is a junior pilot from Air Canada joined their E2 class last month...it's crazy i know, first person go from AC to Porter that I know

But again, there are people leaving Q and E2 to AC and WJ every month, they need another benchmark to keep people, especially they have 2 new E2s coming every month but not enough people to fly it

Contrast what is happening at Jazz to Porter. Apparently Deluce has announced a new benchmarking exercise for this month. Increasing Q wages and making sure Q drivers have a route to the E jet on the agenda this time.

Porter is getting out in front. They have been the beneficiary of both AC and WJ’s refusal to acknowledge the new reality. Now it is just AC. They know that as long as AC keeps up with its current strategy they have an advantage on recruitment, but it will end at some point. They also know Porter needs to look like a career destination for when AC finally comes to its senses, as the flood gates could reverse.

Pilots that want a career at AC or WJ are not going to stay at PD no matter what the benchmark. Every day a pilot delays departing for AC or WJ will diminish their relative seniority for the rest of their career.

PD appears to have targeted experienced CA that are NOT necessarily aiming for AC or WJ. Type endorsed and ACP appear to be at the front of the line.

Starting E2 CA pay at PD is already $15k above top scale Jazz and most departing E175 CA were not top scale.

My guess is Porter is now going to be aiming for B737/757/767 CA at other operators. That may or may not require a further bump in Year 1 CA pay.

[rudder]

I heard we are averaging over 1 resignation a day.

222 have left YTD. 88 between March 31 and June 15.

So 1.25/day for 2023 looks like the average although it will skew based on the AC flow rate.

That extrapolates to a further 246 resignations for 2023. With WJ, Porter, and Transat hiring, my guess is it will be more. Only variable will be AC permitted flow.

As of June 30, junior pilot moved up 240 numbers between January and June. That is 240 over approximately 180 days (attrition rate of 1.3 per day).

Appears no AC flow for June/July/Aug but 120-140 Jazz pilots going to AC between September-December. A few will turn 65. Add another 20 ERP pilots leaving Dec 31. OAL resignations will continue. Likely 60-100. That means approximately 200-260 additional departures from Jazz for 2023.

Hiring has been at a rate of 13-20 every 21 days. So attrition is approximately 1.3 pilots per day and hiring is less than 1 pilot per day.

Not sure where this is all headed……

[hsilgnepilot]

I heard we are averaging over 1 resignation a day.

222 have left YTD. 88 between March 31 and June 15.

So 1.25/day for 2023 looks like the average although it will skew based on the AC flow rate.

That extrapolates to a further 246 resignations for 2023. With WJ, Porter, and Transat hiring, my guess is it will be more. Only variable will be AC permitted flow.

As of June 30, junior pilot moved up 240 numbers between January and June. That is 240 over approximately 180 days (attrition rate of 1.3 per day).

Appears no AC flow for June/July/Aug but 120-140 Jazz pilots going to AC between September-December. A few will turn 65. Add another 20 ERP pilots leaving Dec 31. OAL resignations will continue. Likely 60-100. That means approximately 200-260 additional departures from Jazz for 2023.

Hiring has been at a rate of 13-20 every 21 days. So attrition is approximately 1.3 pilots per day and hiring is less than 1 pilot per day.

Not sure where this is all headed……

Not to mention, a good portion of the 1.3 pilots per day attrition are Captains, while none of the new hires now are in a position to be upgraded quickly. Fleet size and flying will inevitably decrease, however staffing the left seat will continue to be an issue.

[truedude]

I heard we are averaging over 1 resignation a day.

222 have left YTD. 88 between March 31 and June 15.

So 1.25/day for 2023 looks like the average although it will skew based on the AC flow rate.

That extrapolates to a further 246 resignations for 2023. With WJ, Porter, and Transat hiring, my guess is it will be more. Only variable will be AC permitted flow.

As of June 30, junior pilot moved up 240 numbers between January and June. That is 240 over approximately 180 days (attrition rate of 1.3 per day).

Appears no AC flow for June/July/Aug but 120-140 Jazz pilots going to AC between September-December. A few will turn 65. Add another 20 ERP pilots leaving Dec 31. OAL resignations will continue. Likely 60-100. That means approximately 200-260 additional departures from Jazz for 2023.

Hiring has been at a rate of 13-20 every 21 days. So attrition is approximately 1.3 pilots per day and hiring is less than 1 pilot per day.

Not sure where this is all headed……

I doubt those who should know where it is headed actually have any idea themselves. I am sure they had a plan, but I doubt anything is going according to plan.

I still think they deeply miscalculated the amount of people that will come to Jazz to flow to AC, and failed to comprehend how fewer pilots on the market would weigh on their arithmetic. Not to mention younger people today have vastly different priorities, and many just want a good lifestyle, and aren't hell bent on chasing metal to satisfy ego.

They are playing the game with old world thinking and an outdated rule book. And the result we see everyday online.

[DHC-1 Jockey]

More AC and Jazz flight cancellations:

https://www.wingsmagazine.com/aircanada ... passengers.

MONTREAL — Air Canada delayed or cancelled nearly 2,000 flights over the Canada Day long weekend in a potential taste of more trouble ahead for passengers.

Roughly half of all trips by the country’s biggest airline — including its lower-cost Air Canada Rouge and regional partner Jazz Aviation — were disrupted Saturday through Monday, according to figures from tracking service FlightAware.

The 1,965 flight delays and cancellations — over 52 per cent of scheduled flights — stand in contrast to numbers from other Canadian carriers including WestJet, Air Transat and Flair Airlines, which registered lower flight disruption levels.

On Monday, Air Canada, Rouge and Jazz flights notched on-time numbers of between 50 per cent and 54 per cent across the country, according to FlightAware, though the figure was lower at Toronto’s Pearson airport. In contrast, WestJet hit 77 per cent nationwide and 72 per cent from Pearson. Air Transat registered between 60 per cent and 85 per cent throughout the long weekend.

[Inverted2]

Good…… Cancel away. Start paying us a fair wage. My phone won’t be answered on my days off till that changes.