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[Babar350]

I agree with most of what you're saying. Just to set the record straight, for what it's worth, starting salary 15 years ago was 65k. The abysmal FO scale started in 2010 with two echelons (50k & 55k) added below the existing ones. In 2015 we were threw a bunch of money into the FO scales and did our best to fix them. 2020 saw some good improvements for the scales in general with an extra 2% bump on the expiration date of the LOU. 2022 gave us 3%, 3% and 2.5%.

The take home as mentioned is very strained by the deductions for insurances, mainly our LTD that is 100% pilot funded and tax free when claimed. Our pension, just a plain old RRSP match by the company (pilot 5%, company matches at 8%) is insufficient for high earners to ensure a decent retirement. The pay scales, retirement and insurances will need to be addressed for TS to be able to grow into the fleet plan they have set up. This will be our strongest position into bargaining in a long time if we don't fall into a recession.

All that being said quality of life is pretty good, I'll be working 11 days in July and could have been at 8-9 by bidding only turns. Equipment and technology is getting huge improvements and the variety of flying available to all is the best offered in Canada in my opinion.

Thanks for the clarification. I was told 80k a while back, perhaps that was an assumption of total gross.

The last few posts here got misquoted under me regarding the description of your month, but I agree, being 100% medium and long haul the hours add up quickly and the schedule is terrific. I just wish they kept the bunks!

Whichever number it actually was, an inflation calculator puts 65K in 2005 being the equivalent of just over 101K today. So not only have we fallen behind in dollar value, but in real purchasing power also.

So that would be the minimum the pilots should fight for the next contract.

[DanWEC]

Absolutely. That's just a baseline minimum. Anything less is literally taking a concession.

All airline's operating costs (Including executive compensation) have substantially increased the last 5-10 years, except for capital paid out to crews. It's so nice of us to help them out so much!

[rudder]

Absolutely. That's just a baseline minimum. Anything less is literally taking a concession.

Pilots have been taking concessions for so long it has become the norm. They are made to feel guilty for any requested gains (think Oliver Twist - “Please sir, I want some more”)

It has been Stockholm Syndrome since the early 2000’s.

[Romain]

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All pilots on the same payscale WB

Pension: if you put 5% of gross pay; they match 8%

you will pay about 300$/2weeks for your insurance

$300 every 2 weeks for first year FO or more for Captains?

[toolowflaps]

What will the pilot group be looking for in 2025?

Better pay, better take home (company paying for insurance)?
Any thoughts on going for a Pension plan instead of RRSP?

[TFTMB heavy]

What will the pilot group be looking for in 2025?

Better pay, better take home (company paying for insurance)?
Any thoughts on going for a Pension plan instead of RRSP?

Those are all things that will be in the survey and the negotiating team will make a plan based on the results.