Denying Overtime

[RippleRock]

If AC decided to cancel flat pay and give a 30% raise tomorrow, all this would end. And … it would still be cheaper than the summer disaster that’s presently brewing.

And why would they?

Read what I said again. It’s not what you think is right. It’s not what you think is market value. It’s not what you think is deserved. Face it, what you think is irrelevant. It’s what it’s actually going to cost to lose less over the summer.

Simple math.

Accountant (pnms "they and them") is just an "aviation reject" that is attempting to add legitimacy to their name by calling themselves "Accountant", which in itself implies that they know something about economics, and aviation. They have proven time and time again that they have limited to no knowledge about how things actually work.

Ignore the troll.

[Old fella]

In today’s Globe it was noted AC cancelled, delayed close to 2000 flights over the long weekend. That’s quite significant and probably good indication of things to come as summer progresses.

[lownslow]

Do you think they wish they’d have just put an end date on the request to bend scope last fall? I feel like that’s all it would have taken to get that vote passed.

[flyingcanuck]

In today’s Globe it was noted AC cancelled, delayed close to 2000 flights over the long weekend. That’s quite significant and probably good indication of things to come as summer progresses.

i havent been to work in a few weeks where the board WASNT 80% orange (delayed). I dont think AC cares.

[TheAlcalde]

In today’s Globe it was noted AC cancelled, delayed close to 2000 flights over the long weekend. That’s quite significant and probably good indication of things to come as summer progresses.

i havent been to work in a few weeks where the board WASNT 80% orange (delayed). I dont think AC cares.

Yep that’s next quarters problem
That’s what we get with an accountant running the show.

[Blueontop]

https://apple.news/AwpUQbVr8SaShKXTgfVDMeA

Article states that the delays were caused by simple weather, factors outside the control of AC and a tightly packed summer schedule with no room for mechanical or weather delays. The operation is “fully staffed”, nothing to see here folks.

[DouglasFir]

Although I’m a Jazz pilot I will state that I do not pick up overtime but I have picked up a few extra sick days lately since they are making us work 18-19 days a month.

Ewwww what plane is that on?

[Man_in_the_sky]

everyplane if you're not in the top 3 of your list

[rooster]

So now that the company is whining about it, it seems to have some sort of effect. Denying voluntary overtime is NOT illegal as far as I understand. I guess the union had to say something but maybe they could have made it clearer that denying overtime still keeps us within the confines of our contract. As far as being assiged things during RSV and time on duty, it is fair game.
Everyone agree or I'm I missing something here?

I read it and it makes perfect sense. Do you really believe they need to break it down further? I don't think the union message could have been any more clear.

[fish4life]

I actually love that they pulled our B1’s, it’s a small inconvenience that just helps unify our group and will cost them way more in the future.

[Man_in_the_sky]

don't you think they removed it so you guys lose bargaining capital on ''winning'' them back over ?

[QKZXKV]

don't you think they removed it so you guys lose bargaining capital on ''winning'' them back over ?

Exactly!

[Big Pistons Forever]

don't you think they removed it so you guys lose bargaining capital on ''winning'' them back over ?

Never ascribe malice to a situation that can adequately be described by the exercise of mere incompetence......

[Crewbunk]

don't you think they removed it so you guys lose bargaining capital on ''winning'' them back over ?

Exactly!

And with 2000 cancellations and delays over the long weekend, wasn’t that a good idea?

The mood of the present MEC is that there will be no bargaining capital. There will be no concessions “traded”.

[QKZXKV]

don't you think they removed it so you guys lose bargaining capital on ''winning'' them back over ?

Exactly!

And with 2000 cancellations and delays over the long weekend, wasn’t that a good idea?

The mood of the present MEC is that there will be no bargaining capital. There will be no concessions “traded”.

AC proves time and time again they don't care what happens just that the managing genrals get their way.

Blind faith in ALPA being some messiah is laughable.

[Dockjock]

2000 cancellations ain’t overtime it’s poor planning. Weather is the lamest excuse ever for so much disruption, I have no idea how that continues to work. The network is planned with an ICAO standard atmosphere?

[Crewbunk]

Blind faith in ALPA being some messiah is laughable.

“ALPA” is just a name. The big change is the mentality of the pilots, allowing ALPA’s existence for AC’s pilots.

[QKZXKV]

Blind faith in ALPA being some messiah is laughable.

“ALPA” is just a name. The big change is the mentality of the pilots, allowing ALPA’s existence for AC’s pilots.

You're entitled to that view point... I hope you're not disappointed in the long run.

[flying4dollars]

Blind faith in ALPA being some messiah is laughable.

“ALPA” is just a name. The big change is the mentality of the pilots, allowing ALPA’s existence for AC’s pilots.

You're entitled to that view point... I hope you're not disappointed in the long run.

As you are to yours. But stating the change of mentality of the pilots isn't a viewpoint. It's a fact. You don't even have to work here to know that.

[Man_in_the_sky]

don't you think they removed it so you guys lose bargaining capital on ''winning'' them back over ?

Exactly!

And with 2000 cancellations and delays over the long weekend, wasn’t that a good idea?

The mood of the present MEC is that there will be no bargaining capital. There will be no concessions “traded”.

you mean, they assume they won't be getting a much better contract than the actual ? Or i read that wrong

[fish4life]

The biggest shift is the near 50/50 TB VS DB pilots. For years we have been held back by the DB pilots who never wanted to rock the boat too hard or hurt the company. Luckily most TB pilots I’ve talked to don’t give a shit and if we need to shut the place down for a week to get the pay raises we need we will do it.

[Dockjock]

Agree with your assumption on DB. When I started it boggled my mind how much people- even very junior people- talked about the pension the pension. It’s all pensionable time (which didn’t make any sense under DB but does now, ironically). Living life to retire.

No surprise pay, quality of life, vacation, benefits, all of it suffered all in service of keeping the holy pension. Even more ironically it seems that was the one thing keeping a lid on the other costs. Now that it’s gone…yeah.

[bobcaygeon]

Exactly!

And with 2000 cancellations and delays over the long weekend, wasn’t that a good idea?

The mood of the present MEC is that there will be no bargaining capital. There will be no concessions “traded”.

you mean, they assume they won't be getting a much better contract than the actual ? Or i read that wrong

ALPA/ACPA, it doesn't really matter if the faces and attitudes at the top don't change.

ALPA Canada and ALPA National (US) generally take turns muddying and/or complicating what was a pretty straight forward discussion at the table face to face.

[RippleRock]

Exactly!

And with 2000 cancellations and delays over the long weekend, wasn’t that a good idea?

The mood of the present MEC is that there will be no bargaining capital. There will be no concessions “traded”.

AC proves time and time again they don't care what happens just that the managing genrals get their way.

Blind faith in ALPA being some messiah is laughable.

I don't think anyone has "blind faith" in anything. That denotes a level of naivity that borders on stupid.

Most of us know we have a part to play and we are doing our share. Yes, there are a few that have massive bills, and a few others that are just plain greedy and can't resist feeding at a full VO trough. I've heard they are known, every single one....not sure what that means.

There's a seismic shift happening in WACON all over North America. Most of the FO's I fly with will be damned before they give in to anything substandard. It's a wait and see game right now. All I know for sure is I'm having the best summer I've had in a decade. It's a relief not the chasing the "VO dragon".

There's way more to life. Swilling pints on the deck sitting beside the barbeque reconnecting with my family will become less frequent again when we have an "overdue, deserved" contract and proper hourly rates........but not today, and that's fine with me.

[Ash Ketchum]

If the new contract is anything less than historic, many recent hire FOs will be taking their talents elsewhere. In a global pilot shortage, there is no justification for 4 years of flat pay.