Regional pilots can push for higher than WestJet wages

[CanadaAir]

Some regional negotiations ongoing or amending agreements

WestJet ALPA accepted lower wages for improved scope.
Most regionals don't have to worry about scope.

No reason why starting salary on Q400, ATR or RJ should be accepted at less than $100,000 per year, even if it's higher than WJ pilots starting.

In the US the wages are $130,000 Canadian & rising a year for a regional FO.
See topic
viewtopic.php?t=190473

Previously discussed, there's not much difference between US & Canada pilots & flying. Same aircraft, airspace, airports, pilot unions.
Same connecting passengers with Canada & US airlines sharing codes.
Size of operations is comparable for some.
Alaska has high pay, and its size compares with AC and WJ.

CEO & management use US salaries for comparison. Why can't pilots?
"Air Canada boss's pay tripled in 2022 to $12.4 million


Edit:
Jazz already has scope in the current contract, which AC is breaking. Scope isn't something to be added in exchange for wages.
AC might be breaking the scope to force pilots to take wage concessions.

[FL030]

This is a great point. Don't let WestJet wages be your target if so much of their bargaining capital went to achieve the required scope.

[YC87DRVR]

Are you implying the same group that accepted a bottom of the barrel, record length contract (17 years) should all the sudden shoot for the stars and become industry leaders in Canada. Lol

Maybe just start with even just getting a fair deal and not selling yourselves out for once….

[Blueontop]

Genuine question but wtf is wrong with us pilots? In what other industry would any bargaining group accept a 17 year deal? AC accepted a 10 year deal?? The max seems to be 3 years on average. And WestJet regardless of everything else still accepted a 4 year deal. Come on my colleagues we have to do much much better and grow backbones.

[cdnavater]

Are you implying the same group that accepted a bottom of the barrel, record length contract (17 years) should all the sudden shoot for the stars and become industry leaders in Canada. Lol

Maybe just start with even just getting a fair deal and not selling yourselves out for once….

It’s about leverage and AC had ALL the leverage, I guarantee if you were put in the same set of circumstances, you would have voted for a 17 year deal.
This has been hashed out many times and frankly I don’t give a shit what you think but I do grow tired of the high horse idiots who think they could have done better.
How’s your U.S wages working out for you? See, I know it wasn’t realistic but it’s fun to remind you of the rhetoric around your strike vote!

[YC87DRVR]

Are you implying the same group that accepted a bottom of the barrel, record length contract (17 years) should all the sudden shoot for the stars and become industry leaders in Canada. Lol

Maybe just start with even just getting a fair deal and not selling yourselves out for once….

It’s about leverage and AC had ALL the leverage, I guarantee if you were put in the same set of circumstances, you would have voted for a 17 year deal.
This has been hashed out many times and frankly I don’t give a shit what you think but I do grow tired of the high horse idiots who think they could have done better.
How’s your U.S wages working out for you? See, I know it wasn’t realistic but it’s fun to remind you of the rhetoric around your strike vote!

Of course AC had all the leverage over jazz, they will ALWAYS have all the leverage over Jazz. Jazz is a charter airline with one customer, obviously that customer has all the leverage. Doesn’t mean you should whore yourselves out, have some pride.

[cdnavater]

Are you implying the same group that accepted a bottom of the barrel, record length contract (17 years) should all the sudden shoot for the stars and become industry leaders in Canada. Lol

Maybe just start with even just getting a fair deal and not selling yourselves out for once….

It’s about leverage and AC had ALL the leverage, I guarantee if you were put in the same set of circumstances, you would have voted for a 17 year deal.
This has been hashed out many times and frankly I don’t give a shit what you think but I do grow tired of the high horse idiots who think they could have done better.
How’s your U.S wages working out for you? See, I know it wasn’t realistic but it’s fun to remind you of the rhetoric around your strike vote!

Of course AC had all the leverage over jazz, they will ALWAYS have all the leverage over Jazz. Jazz is a charter airline with one customer, obviously that customer has all the leverage. Doesn’t mean you should whore yourselves out, have some pride.

I’m not sure being in the top 5% of income earners in Canada, closer to 2% is whoring myself out, making 55,000 a year flying a 737 definitely was though! You friggen WJ pilots literally started the race to the bottom by being the bottom, now you’re up on your pedestal thinking you’re somehow better than the rest, you defined whore.
When you lowered the bar, Jazz was the highest paid regional pilots in NA and definitely in the top 5 worldwide, thanks for all you’ve done for the industry, I’m also pretty sure you were one of those idiots that bought a 30,000 type rating in a failing company, get off your horse!

[daedalusx]

It’s about leverage and AC had ALL the leverage, I guarantee if you were put in the same set of circumstances, you would have voted for a 17 year deal.

@#$! off. I voted NO and told everyone that was working there to vote NO as well for reasons that are all too obvious today. Then I quit when it passed. Just admit that you have no balls.

[8895]

It’s about leverage and AC had ALL the leverage, I guarantee if you were put in the same set of circumstances, you would have voted for a 17 year deal.

@#$! off. I voted NO and told everyone that was working there to vote NO as well for reasons that are all too obvious today. Then I quit when it passed. Just admit that you have no balls.

I’d ignore anything this guy says. Judging from his typical comments he’s just a boomer who’s still bitter about his AC PFO years ago and having to babysit up front for the rest of his career while everyone else moves on. Obviously if anyone is trying to justify a 17 YEAR deal as shamelessly as he has there’s more then a few screws loose up there

[cdnavater]

It’s about leverage and AC had ALL the leverage, I guarantee if you were put in the same set of circumstances, you would have voted for a 17 year deal.

@#$! off. I voted NO and told everyone that was working there to vote NO as well for reasons that are all too obvious today. Then I quit when it passed. Just admit that you have no balls.

How about you @#$! off, different set of circumstances, same place. You were obviously hired after 2015 and had nothing to lose, under 30, real fucken easy to start over when you’re young. Come see me after three or four downturns closer to retirement and we will compare balls, btw, I voted for a strike in 2010, less to lose back then!

[cdnavater]

It’s about leverage and AC had ALL the leverage, I guarantee if you were put in the same set of circumstances, you would have voted for a 17 year deal.

@#$! off. I voted NO and told everyone that was working there to vote NO as well for reasons that are all too obvious today. Then I quit when it passed. Just admit that you have no balls.

I’d ignore anything this guy says. Judging from his typical comments he’s just a boomer who’s still bitter about his AC PFO years ago and having to babysit up front for the rest of his career while everyone else moves on. Obviously if anyone is trying to justify a 17 YEAR deal as shamelessly as he has there’s more then a few screws loose up there

And you’re an entitled millennial who won’t accept their part in it, I want it now! Guess what, they gave it to you, it’s low starting wages and you fuckers lapped it up like mommies fucken milk!
Also, not bitter at all, if you knew me, you think I was the happiest guy in the free world, except I don’t have time for idiots and fucktards, but I’m smiling the whole time.

[330heavy]

Blaming other companies/pilots for your own woes is lame for excuse for your own short comings. The current perception is we need big daddy (AC or WJ) to set the bar (up or down), when we have the power to vote for such in our own contracts. In this case you likely wanted a 17 yr contract for careeer stability, well you got it, now stop complaining. Some wanted it for "flow", anyone fool-heartly believes the AC ivory towers execs, learned a lesson, and it doesn't take long not to trust them. None the less, the newer gen pilots voted yes, now stop complaining. Even if you voted no, you should've been more active in persuading others to also vote no. However it's a democratic vote, so either put up with it, or leave, and make sure the next contract isn't going to handicap you.