Mig 23 crash at Oshkosh

[Tubthumper]

The worlds only civilian operated Mig-23 is no more.
https://youtube.com/shorts/1G2cnUqX7Mc?feature=share

[TeePeeCreeper]

The worlds only civilian operated Mig-23 is no more.
https://youtube.com/shorts/1G2cnUqX7Mc?feature=share

I’m surprised… I thought civilians weren’t allowed to have hot seats? Perhaps I am mistaken?

TPC

[‘Bob’]

I don’t think there is a rule about civilians not having hot seats.

How is this any different than BRS from a technical standpoint or any number of uncontrolled crashes from a collateral damage standpoint or simply dying in a Cold War jet from a personal risk standpoint?

It’s just that often the cost is prohibitive or the support isn’t available. Perhaps Mig-23 systems have an unlimited shelf life or there are lots of spares or it was easy to engineer an equivalent solution?

[sportingrifle]

More surprising to me was that there was a passenger in the airplane during the airshow. Very lucky nobody was hurt on the ground.

[pelmet]

The worlds only civilian operated Mig-23 is no more.
https://youtube.com/shorts/1G2cnUqX7Mc?feature=share

I’m surprised… I thought civilians weren’t allowed to have hot seats? Perhaps I am mistaken?

TPC

Is possible even in Canada but with strict rules to be followed, including by the military. I have seen this on one aircraft that used to be on the airshow circuit.

[DHC-1 Jockey]

It didn't happen at Oshkosh. It happened at the Thunder Over Michigan Airshow in Ypsilanti, near Detroit.

[TG]

It’s just that often the cost is prohibitive or the support isn’t available. Perhaps Mig-23 systems have an unlimited shelf life or there are lots of spares or it was easy to engineer an equivalent solution?

I've read somewhere that the owner was paying around 25000$ per year, per seat to keep them "hot"

[Tubthumper]

….correction to my post title, this was not at Oshkosh, but Michigan.

[digits_]

It’s just that often the cost is prohibitive or the support isn’t available. Perhaps Mig-23 systems have an unlimited shelf life or there are lots of spares or it was easy to engineer an equivalent solution?

I've read somewhere that the owner was paying around 25000$ per year, per seat to keep them "hot"

I have no doubt that number is correct, but do you happen to know what makes it so expensive? I figured it would just be changing a cartridge and done. But probably not...

[fish4life]

It’s just that often the cost is prohibitive or the support isn’t available. Perhaps Mig-23 systems have an unlimited shelf life or there are lots of spares or it was easy to engineer an equivalent solution?

I've read somewhere that the owner was paying around 25000$ per year, per seat to keep them "hot"

Worth every penny now

[goldeneagle]

….correction to my post title, this was not at Oshkosh, but Michigan.

Apparently that airplane had other issues in Oshkosh, read some comments about it having lost part of the canopy there.

[cykj]

My back hurt just watching the videos. A big bang from a 37mm cartridge. Looks like it could be one of these.

https://www.tara-aerospace.com/PK-16

[boeingboy]

It’s just that often the cost is prohibitive or the support isn’t available. Perhaps Mig-23 systems have an unlimited shelf life or there are lots of spares or it was easy to engineer an equivalent solution?

I've read somewhere that the owner was paying around 25000$ per year, per seat to keep them "hot"

I have no doubt that number is correct, but do you happen to know what makes it so expensive? I figured it would just be changing a cartridge and done. But probably not...

Generally speaking and depending on the type of seat, there are usually more than one charge in the various systems within the seat, as well as systems such as aneroids and such the will activate various safety features and sequences. They all need to be tested and/or replaced. There is also the rocket motor in the seat and the charges for removing the canopy and chute inspection plus repack. All this has to be done (at least per FAA) by qualified people, and usually the only place to do that is the military.

In the early 2000's I knew a gentleman that restored a TA-4J and he had the seats hot....the nightmare of getting and keeping the seats hot was quite high. He could only get the charges from the Navy and had Navy personnel do the work. Having the work done not withstanding - trying to find charges for older, out of production seats in next to impossible.....hence the reason most older Western jets have cold seats. Try finding explosives for an F-86 for instance....not going to happen. Since most eastern block aircraft are still operating - I imagine (at least parts wise) they are easier to keep going.