broken_slinky wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:01 am
You'd think having the student high with a bit too much power on a 4200' runway would be more ideal than low and slow where she could potentially stall out or sink too rapidly. There's trees at the approach ends of all 4 runways with 30 being the closest after 23.
Maybe. Obviously the landing was successful although I suspect the instructions were not followed.
Still, one shouldn’t be going solo if they are going to collapse like a house of cards after an inevitable bad landing attempt.
I suspect these days, in an era where F’s are no longer allowed in school and the team that finishes last gets a trophy, we are likely getting certain targeted people pushed through in areas where the real world of the failures do exist, just like they always have, will lead to disaster.
A distant second consideration for many with a different, dangerous agenda.
This is quite the set of extrapolations and assumptions from one (yes, serious) event, applied to one 14 year old, no?
That is why I said...."I suspect" targeted people are getting pushed through.
Extrapolations and assumptions?
Obviously, the details of this particular incident are unknown to us, but one need only look at the job links posted right here on AvCanada showing the requirements for an accident investigator(you know, where the right kind of person could prevent another Tenerife disaster)......
TSB Investigator and Regional Manager
Post by howey » Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:31 pm
TSB is looking for an Aircraft Accident/Safety Investigator (Regional Senior Investigator, Operations) based in Richmond Hill, Ontario, and a Regional Manager based in Montreal..
"Selection may be based on qualified candidates self-declaring as being a member of one or more of the following groups: Aboriginal peoples, persons with disabilities, women and visible minorities."
It wouldn't surprise me if the powers that be(the ones demanding policies like this) would prefer the student pilot over me for this job as being much more appropriate.
And you know it is true. Think about how that might affect you at some point.
This has way more to do with a 14 year old operating an aircraft than it does gender (Like, seriously? I can't believe I need to say that.). At 14 years old, I could only drive a car with an adult present. You can't even do that in a car until you are 16 in Ontario. How they let kids solo at 14, totally alone in an airplane, blows my mind. I was a farm kid familiar with tractors and dirt bikes, but still felt that learning to operate an aircraft was a whole different ball game.
youhavecontrol wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 12:33 pm
This has way more to do with a 14 year old operating an aircraft than it does gender (Like, seriously? I can't believe I need to say that.). At 14 years old, I could only drive a car with an adult present. You can't even do that in a car until you are 16 in Ontario. How they let kids solo at 14, totally alone in an airplane, blows my mind. I was a farm kid familiar with tractors and dirt bikes, but still felt that learning to operate an aircraft was a whole different ball game.
Perhaps. There are adults that freeze in these situations too. She froze, panicked, but still anded the plane without damage. That's very impressive and quite a challenge to overcome.
I think pelmet's remarks are quite appropriate though. I personally don't think it's a cause for this event, but it is something worth to investigate if certain checks were not followed for better PR for example. Perhaps in combination with the young age?
Guinness World Records has stopped publishing the 'youngest XXX doing YYY' records to protect children/teenagers a few years ago.
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I soloed at 14 at a very busy uncontrolled airport. My instructor made damn sure I was ready and we even went off on a Cross-Country the day before to build up my confidence. That first circuit was terrifying, I remember singing "He's got the whole world in his hands" all the down from final to touchdown. After that it was a breeze.
LegoMan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:53 pm
I soloed at 14 at a very busy uncontrolled airport. My instructor made damn sure I was ready and we even went off on a Cross-Country the day before to build up my confidence. That first circuit was terrifying, I remember singing "He's got the whole world in his hands" all the down from final to touchdown. After that it was a breeze.
I know there's some 14 year olds that can handle it, but I still scratch my head at why exactly they broadly allow it when driving is minimum 16 years old to drive alone. Whenever I tell people you can fly a plane alone at 14, the reaction is always shock. It sounds crazy.
youhavecontrol wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:10 pm
I know there's some 14 year olds that can handle it, but I still scratch my head at why exactly they broadly allow it when driving is minimum 16 years old to drive alone. Whenever I tell people you can fly a plane alone at 14, the reaction is always shock. It sounds crazy.
Well , I’ve never heard of a 14 year old that tried to land on a taxiway with 4 huge bright jets on it.
I’ve never tried that, either.
But a professional crew did it in perfect VFR conditions and with every navigation aid imaginable, and thousands of hours of experience.
LegoMan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:53 pm
I soloed at 14 at a very busy uncontrolled airport. My instructor made damn sure I was ready and we even went off on a Cross-Country the day before to build up my confidence. That first circuit was terrifying, I remember singing "He's got the whole world in his hands" all the down from final to touchdown. After that it was a breeze.
I think that the vast majority of the stupid comments have been deleted by the mods now. Of course there are still some replies that intentionally twist the meanings of what was posted. What you see now is pretty much acceptable.
Would be interesting if the mods let us know who has the most deleted posts in the last month. Should we have a poll to take bets on who that might be?
After that it was a breeze.
