So Jazz pilots will go from the lowest paid to the lowest paid?

[FelixGustof]

So...this new deal will make Jazz pilots go from the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe to the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe?

What gives in this country? Why do Canadian pilots vote yes to being a laughing stock of North American aviation?

[dumpsterfire]

Lol

Yup...total dumpsterfire this agreement

MEC didn't even recommend it

[yhz41]

So...this new deal will make Jazz pilots go from the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe to the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe?

What gives in this country? Why do Canadian pilots vote yes to being a laughing stock of North American aviation?

They haven't voted yes...yet.

[truedude]

So...this new deal will make Jazz pilots go from the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe to the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe?

What gives in this country? Why do Canadian pilots vote yes to being a laughing stock of North American aviation?

Care to show your work on this? I'd like you to show real comparisons, including from Canada.

[truedude]

Lol

Yup...total dumpsterfire this agreement

MEC didn't even recommend it

They didn't not recommend it either. They remained neutral. And that is an important distinction.

[FelixGustof]

So...this new deal will make Jazz pilots go from the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe to the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe?

What gives in this country? Why do Canadian pilots vote yes to being a laughing stock of North American aviation?

Care to show your work on this? I'd like you to show real comparisons, including from Canada.

You don't know you're the lowest paid pilot on the planet?

For real?

You must be trolling

[Tbayer2021]

So...this new deal will make Jazz pilots go from the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe to the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe?

What gives in this country? Why do Canadian pilots vote yes to being a laughing stock of North American aviation?

Care to show your work on this? I'd like you to show real comparisons, including from Canada.

You don't know you're the lowest paid pilot on the planet?

For real?

You must be trolling

A while back on another thread, an AC pilot was arguing that their contract wasn't that bad since they earned more than Mexican and South American pilots.

Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe it anymore.

[cdnavater]

So...this new deal will make Jazz pilots go from the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe to the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe?

What gives in this country? Why do Canadian pilots vote yes to being a laughing stock of North American aviation?

Umm yah, I’m going to go ahead and say it, you’re a fucking idiot!
I will make 200g a year without breaking a sweat if this passes, show what other regional(excluding the US for TBagger) pays that?
Also, encore pays 53/hr, that’s their step 3 FO pay, at 77.5 MMG with the 850/month it works out to a combined hourly 63.97
Jazz would be 64.95/hr and and significantly better pension and benefits package that now the company is mostly paying for.
I will also include Porter Q400, same aircraft, same work.
Porter Q / Jazz
Year 1 Captain 91.57/ 108.23
Year 15(top) 124.30/ 15 159.81 17(top) 165.03
FO
Year 1 50.01/ 64.95
Year 10(top) 76.14/ 10 98.15 12(top) 103.11
Yep, sure looks like the lowest paid. ON THE PLANET, idiot!

[Tbayer2021]

So...this new deal will make Jazz pilots go from the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe to the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe?

What gives in this country? Why do Canadian pilots vote yes to being a laughing stock of North American aviation?

Umm yah, I’m going to go ahead and say it, you’re a fucking idiot!
I will make 200g a year without breaking a sweat if this passes, show what other regional pays that?
Also, encore pays 53/hr, that’s their step 3 FO pay, at 77.5 MMG with the 850/month it works out to a combined hourly 63.97
Jazz would be 64.95/hr and and significantly better pension and benefits package that now the company is mostly paying for.

Most regionals in the US currently pay more than 777cpt here in Canada, therefore a lot more than Jazz.

[cdnavater]

So...this new deal will make Jazz pilots go from the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe to the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe?

What gives in this country? Why do Canadian pilots vote yes to being a laughing stock of North American aviation?

Umm yah, I’m going to go ahead and say it, you’re a fucking idiot!
I will make 200g a year without breaking a sweat if this passes, show what other regional pays that?
Also, encore pays 53/hr, that’s their step 3 FO pay, at 77.5 MMG with the 850/month it works out to a combined hourly 63.97
Jazz would be 64.95/hr and and significantly better pension and benefits package that now the company is mostly paying for.

Most regionals in the US currently pay more than 777cpt here in Canada, therefore a lot more than Jazz.

Where are you working again?
WJ?
Did you see what regionals were paying in 2015 in the good old US, 20,000 to start, some were 16,000.
How’s your pay compare to the US, oh yeah about 40% less.

[Tbayer2021]

Umm yah, I’m going to go ahead and say it, you’re a fucking idiot!
I will make 200g a year without breaking a sweat if this passes, show what other regional pays that?
Also, encore pays 53/hr, that’s their step 3 FO pay, at 77.5 MMG with the 850/month it works out to a combined hourly 63.97
Jazz would be 64.95/hr and and significantly better pension and benefits package that now the company is mostly paying for.

Most regionals in the US currently pay more than 777cpt here in Canada, therefore a lot more than Jazz.

Where are you working again?
WJ?
Did you see what regionals were paying in 2015 in the good old US, 20,000 to start, some were 16,000.
How’s your pay compare to the US, oh yeah about 40% less.

Not with WJ, and yup, we're getting destroyed here with pay. No doubt about that! Hopefully we have the guts to turn down the first piece of scrap the company sends our way and don't have too many like you begging to take whatever they throw.

[JHR]

Man people get defensive when they are told Canadian pilots make shit money. It's the truth isn't it? Whether you are the bottom of the shit pile or a couple turds from the top, you are still in the shit pile

[cdnavater]

Most regionals in the US currently pay more than 777cpt here in Canada, therefore a lot more than Jazz.

Where are you working again?
WJ?
Did you see what regionals were paying in 2015 in the good old US, 20,000 to start, some were 16,000.
How’s your pay compare to the US, oh yeah about 40% less.

Not with WJ, and yup, we're getting destroyed here with pay. No doubt about that! Hopefully we have the guts to turn down the first piece of scrap the company sends our way and don't have too many like you begging to take whatever they throw.

What guts, we have ZERO leverage, we had an agreement that was sent to AC after a year of bargaining outside a collective agreement that has no strike for another 12 years, has been discussed many times, ad nauseam.
They turned it down, they don’t have to do anything except let us wither and die, so I’ll take a 30% raise with no strings attached and don’t really give a rats ass what YOU think!

[cdnavater]

Man people get defensive when they are told Canadian pilots make shit money. It's the truth isn't it? Whether you are the bottom of the shit pile or a couple turds from the top, you are still in the shit pile

Same shit different pile as they say, however, I get more pissed off when douchenozzles who only ever come on here to stir up the shit pile posts false information without a single piece of factual information to back up his shit claim.
FelixFucktard started his avCanada posting about AC being the worst paid pilots on the planet, he can foxtrot oscar!

[paytoplay]

Just to clear up. The new proposed Jazz hourly rates are still less than Porter’s Q rates.

[truedude]

Just to clear up. The new proposed Jazz hourly rates are still less than Porter’s Q rates.

That's good. Then they will be forced to up it once they see this doesn't fix anything. Again, no reason not to take it.

[cdnavater]

Just to clear up. The new proposed Jazz hourly rates are still less than Porter’s Q rates.

To clear up what you are saying, first I used the first benchmark from June earlier, so yes initially but for the Captain side you start slightly higher and then year 5 Captain is basically the same then Jazz pulls ahead and on the FO side your top is equal to our year 7, then Jazz pulls ahead.
We have many Captains on the year 5 and up scale, many of those are top scale.

[Morg]

The vote is open now I voted No! The vote is on the Alpas Mec home page.

[Winnikegger]

Can someone tell me now $165 hr equals $200k per yr?

1000 hrs times $165 = $165,000

And that's a lot of legs in a Q400!! "Hardly sweating"

And can someone tell me how after flying as a professional pilot for 15 yrs, $165k is that amazing

Do we value ourselves that little that we think $165k is the end all?

And that making 40% less to our American counterparts is the "cat's meow"?

Do regional pilots in the US think they have "zero leverage"?

Newsflash- regional pilots have the MOST leverage. That is where the most significant shortage is!!

Man Canadian pilots are not bright sometimes. It's no wonder management must be laughing every time they cash in their bonuses

[Mr. North]

Lets see, Jazz pilots leaving every day, numerous cancellations, and more and more "network restructuring" both at Jazz and AC... Jazz pilots have all the leverage they just don't know how to employ it. Jazz MEC did what they could bargaining outside the CA but all they got were table scraps. Company couldn't even match what Porter offered their nonunionized pilots, a real insult if you ask me! Read between the lines guys, Jazz MEC wants you to vote this down. Vote No and give them the ammunition they're asking for.

1,500 hour King Air drivers are being offered $100K+! I was still trying not to kill myself at 1,500 hours! You guys hold ATPLs and fly high performance aircraft into small strips and high density. Don't sell yourself short! Grow a collective pair and tell the corp you're not a bunch of bag licking chimps!!

[truedude]

Lets see, Jazz pilots leaving every day, numerous cancellations, and more and more "network restructuring" both at Jazz and AC... Jazz pilots have all the leverage they just don't know how to employ it. Jazz MEC did what they could bargaining outside the CA but all they got were table scraps. Company couldn't even match what Porter offered their nonunionized pilots, a real insult if you ask me! Read between the lines guys, Jazz MEC wants you to vote this down. Vote No and give them the ammunition they're asking for.

1,500 hour King Air drivers are being offered $100K+! I was still trying not to kill myself at 1,500 hours! You guys hold ATPLs and fly high performance aircraft into small strips and high density. Don't sell yourself short! Grow a collective pair and tell the corp you're not a bunch of bag licking chimps!!

Have you spoken to the union reps? I have. I know what they want, and it isn't at all what you say. They have back up plans, but fully acknowledge they are high risk.

[cdnavater]

Can someone tell me now $165 hr equals $200k per yr?

1000 hrs times $165 = $165,000

And that's a lot of legs in a Q400!! "Hardly sweating"

And can someone tell me how after flying as a professional pilot for 15 yrs, $165k is that amazing

Do we value ourselves that little that we think $165k is the end all?

And that making 40% less to our American counterparts is the "cat's meow"?

Do regional pilots in the US think they have "zero leverage"?

Newsflash- regional pilots have the MOST leverage. That is where the most significant shortage is!!

Man Canadian pilots are not bright sometimes. It's no wonder management must be laughing every time they cash in their bonuses

I don’t fly the Q, but I am a trainer and the math on just 10 OT shifts per year is just over 200k, not really working hard at all.
Last thing I’ll say on this, if you’re not a Jazz pilot, @#$! off! We set the bar in the past and you fucking assholes tripped over each other to undercut us, we are where we are because of you!

[truedude]

Can someone tell me now $165 hr equals $200k per yr?

1000 hrs times $165 = $165,000

And that's a lot of legs in a Q400!! "Hardly sweating"

And can someone tell me how after flying as a professional pilot for 15 yrs, $165k is that amazing

Do we value ourselves that little that we think $165k is the end all?

And that making 40% less to our American counterparts is the "cat's meow"?

Do regional pilots in the US think they have "zero leverage"?

Newsflash- regional pilots have the MOST leverage. That is where the most significant shortage is!!

Man Canadian pilots are not bright sometimes. It's no wonder management must be laughing every time they cash in their bonuses

I don’t fly the Q, but I am a trainer and the math on just 10 OT shifts per year is just over 200k, not really working hard at all.
Last thing I’ll say on this, if you’re not a Jazz pilot, @#$! off! We set the bar in the past and you fucking assholes tripped over each other to undercut us, we are where we are because of you!

Well said! Remember, it was the AC pilots that voted to remove Jazz's exclusively clause for tier 2 flying.

Remember, it was the Westjet pilots that brought in the disgusting payscale for Encore.

So don't be pointing fingers at us, when many of you helped contribute to the situation we are working dig ourselves out from.

[canadian_aviator_4]

Can someone tell me now $165 hr equals $200k per yr?

1000 hrs times $165 = $165,000

And that's a lot of legs in a Q400!! "Hardly sweating"

And can someone tell me how after flying as a professional pilot for 15 yrs, $165k is that amazing

Do we value ourselves that little that we think $165k is the end all?

And that making 40% less to our American counterparts is the "cat's meow"?

Do regional pilots in the US think they have "zero leverage"?

Newsflash- regional pilots have the MOST leverage. That is where the most significant shortage is!!

Man Canadian pilots are not bright sometimes. It's no wonder management must be laughing every time they cash in their bonuses

I don’t fly the Q, but I am a trainer and the math on just 10 OT shifts per year is just over 200k, not really working hard at all.
Last thing I’ll say on this, if you’re not a Jazz pilot, @#$! off! We set the bar in the past and you fucking assholes tripped over each other to undercut us, we are where we are because of you!

Relax cdnavater. You are not gaining respect by calling people ‘fucking assholes’. In my opinion the most respected and knowledgeable people on this site, such as rudder, provide level headed comments based on experience and never try to make people feel less for their input. That is why many value their input.

[higherisbetter]

So...this new deal will make Jazz pilots go from the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe to the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe?

What gives in this country? Why do Canadian pilots vote yes to being a laughing stock of North American aviation?

Umm yah, I’m going to go ahead and say it, you’re a fucking idiot!
I will make 200g a year without breaking a sweat if this passes, show what other regional(excluding the US for TBagger) pays that?
Also, encore pays 53/hr, that’s their step 3 FO pay, at 77.5 MMG with the 850/month it works out to a combined hourly 63.97
Jazz would be 64.95/hr and and significantly better pension and benefits package that now the company is mostly paying for.
I will also include Porter Q400, same aircraft, same work.
Porter Q / Jazz
Year 1 Captain 91.57/ 108.23
Year 15(top) 124.30/ 15 159.81 17(top) 165.03
FO
Year 1 50.01/ 64.95
Year 10(top) 76.14/ 10 98.15 12(top) 103.11
Yep, sure looks like the lowest paid. ON THE PLANET, idiot!

Just to let you know the numbers are wrong. And I can see how you lost all the respect from others