New hire bids

[rudder]

Back to the new-hire bid topic….

While it isn’t feasible for Jazz to guarantee airplane, there is no reason it cannot have Base specific PIT courses. So when a job offer is made, it assures initial Base (still subject to the risk of reduction/displacement after the fact).

Would take a let from the union due to backfilling provisions (there would need to be a cutoff of backfilling to the Base prior to the PIT course in question).

However, given the MOS debacle there is NO REASON for the union to be offering any relief to the employer to assist in pilot recruitment.

The MOS process result should have been better for all concerned. It was not.

And with fleet wide same pay…. You’re right. They can offer based on initial offers of employment. But this could be a simple fix to some living in the west getting a yyz base. Which would help staffing and indirectly retention

Did you miss the part where we are not giving anything for free anymore, we should not be fixing their recruitment problems.

Did you actually read the whole post…..?

[cdnavater]

And with fleet wide same pay…. You’re right. They can offer based on initial offers of employment. But this could be a simple fix to some living in the west getting a yyz base. Which would help staffing and indirectly retention

Did you miss the part where we are not giving anything for free anymore, we should not be fixing their recruitment problems.

Did you actually read the whole post…..?

Are you asking me that? I’m pretty sure I got the gist, you said what the solution could be and ended with we should not be fixing their recruitment problems.
To which Duke responded, “Which would help staffing and indirectly retention”, to which I responded “we should not be fixing their recruitment problems”
Did I miss something?

[canadian_aviator_4]

You’re questioning my life choices? Lol.

My point from my post is that it’s absolutely insane to not know where you are gonna be based on day 1 of your job, never mind what aircraft type you’ll be flying.

Things happen for a reason; some people call it fate.

Jazz was by far the worst airline I’ve EVER worked for. And to preface that statement : this is my opinion. Good riddance.

Why don’t you ask your union rep how many have left for porter, or flair, or WJ? Never mind the reduced 60% peace’ing out to fly big metal at big red.

I see the numbers. Jazz is a training facility to all other airlines.

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you don’t see the irony!
Jazz WAS hands down the best regional job most everywhere, the creation of SR and the GGN doing our work after AC pilots gave away the scope is why it became the “worst airline you ever worked for”
So your choice to undercut us and then eventually work for us is a little bitter sweet irony!

Says you… the pre 2015 hired pilot at jazz. Don’t give me that crap dude. We all end up where we supposed to be. You’re making good bucks at jazz. Ride out your career, you’ll be fine. For me, it wasn’t, and it sucked.

Edit: also you guys are the one who managed to wrangle the “exclusive AC express carrier” for a ridiculously long contract.
Well done, how’s that working out

%100 agree. This guy is getting a db pension, and craps on anyone making negative comments about jazz. Sure, there are some positives but right now the negatives out weigh the positives, especially if you don’t have access to a db pension, c2 passes, or upgrades on deadheads. Overall, the company is lucky to have a few pilots wants to stay like yourself. Please stay and keep your negativity from creating toxic environments at other companies.

[rudder]

Did you miss the part where we are not giving anything for free anymore, we should not be fixing their recruitment problems.

Did you actually read the whole post…..?

Are you asking me that? I’m pretty sure I got the gist, you said what the solution could be and ended with we should not be fixing their recruitment problems.
To which Duke responded, “Which would help staffing and indirectly retention”, to which I responded “we should not be fixing their recruitment problems”
Did I miss something?

The ‘gist’ is a much better outcome could have been reached than the ‘final offer’ from AC. But that ship has sailed. It would have required meaningful effort and full participation from all affected parties. Decisions have consequences.

The JAZ MEC has zero latitude now to address ANY issues raised by either the employer or AC (hard to tell who the true employer is anymore).

CHR/Jazz/AC will now have to figure out how to do business with the deal they demanded.

[mmm...bacon]

The JAZ MEC has zero latitude now to address ANY issues raised by either the employer or AC (hard to tell who the true employer is anymore).

Maybe it’s time for another common employer application!

[cdnavater]

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you don’t see the irony!
Jazz WAS hands down the best regional job most everywhere, the creation of SR and the GGN doing our work after AC pilots gave away the scope is why it became the “worst airline you ever worked for”
So your choice to undercut us and then eventually work for us is a little bitter sweet irony!

Says you… the pre 2015 hired pilot at jazz. Don’t give me that crap dude. We all end up where we supposed to be. You’re making good bucks at jazz. Ride out your career, you’ll be fine. For me, it wasn’t, and it sucked.

Edit: also you guys are the one who managed to wrangle the “exclusive AC express carrier” for a ridiculously long contract.
Well done, how’s that working out

%100 agree. This guy is getting a db pension, and craps on anyone making negative comments about jazz. Sure, there are some positives but right now the negatives out weigh the positives, especially if you don’t have access to a db pension, c2 passes, or upgrades on deadheads. Overall, the company is lucky to have a few pilots wants to stay like yourself. Please stay and keep your negativity from creating toxic environments at other companies.

Not completely true, even if you read the post you quoted, I clearly emphasize WAS the best and pointed out the irony of a pilot who worked for the original company that was created to drive us down and ended up working for what he called the worst company he ever worked for.
Get your facts straight, I simply despise when pilots won’t own their own part in the downward spiral of a once great company.
Believe me when I tell you, I’m not happy at work anymore, what is going on truly bothers me and my morale is very low, even with my coveted DB pension.
By the way, no one gets a DB anymore so what’s your point!

[CaptDukeNukem]

Says you… the pre 2015 hired pilot at jazz. Don’t give me that crap dude. We all end up where we supposed to be. You’re making good bucks at jazz. Ride out your career, you’ll be fine. For me, it wasn’t, and it sucked.

Edit: also you guys are the one who managed to wrangle the “exclusive AC express carrier” for a ridiculously long contract.
Well done, how’s that working out

%100 agree. This guy is getting a db pension, and craps on anyone making negative comments about jazz. Sure, there are some positives but right now the negatives out weigh the positives, especially if you don’t have access to a db pension, c2 passes, or upgrades on deadheads. Overall, the company is lucky to have a few pilots wants to stay like yourself. Please stay and keep your negativity from creating toxic environments at other companies.

Not completely true, even if you read the post you quoted, I clearly emphasize WAS the best and pointed out the irony of a pilot who worked for the original company that was created to drive us down and ended up working for what he called the worst company he ever worked for.
Get your facts straight, I simply despise when pilots won’t own their own part in the downward spiral of a once great company.
Believe me when I tell you, I’m not happy at work anymore, what is going on truly bothers me and my morale is very low, even with my coveted DB pension.
By the way, no one gets a DB anymore so what’s your point!

One thing I can tell you right now is that I’m happy going to work. In my opinion, that’s worth something too.

[cdnavater]

Did you actually read the whole post…..?

Are you asking me that? I’m pretty sure I got the gist, you said what the solution could be and ended with we should not be fixing their recruitment problems.
To which Duke responded, “Which would help staffing and indirectly retention”, to which I responded “we should not be fixing their recruitment problems”
Did I miss something?

The ‘gist’ is a much better outcome could have been reached than the ‘final offer’ from AC. But that ship has sailed. It would have required meaningful effort and full participation from all affected parties. Decisions have consequences.

The JAZ MEC has zero latitude now to address ANY issues raised by either the employer or AC (hard to tell who the true employer is anymore).

CHR/Jazz/AC will now have to figure out how to do business with the deal they demanded.

All true, I was simply pointing out to Duke that the company low balled and has to live with the outcome, our job is not to fix their recruitment issues.
I don’t know what our future holds and I can only hope when they realize this latest MOS isn’t fixing anything, they come back but I’m slowly running out of that hope.
As for the new hire bids, it is the way it is because of seniority, first on property gets choice of base so new hires will get what is not filled after that. It’s a difficult endeavour when you have four bases and three types to staff to provide anything guaranteed in a seniority system without compromising somewhere.
Honestly though, no one is coming to Jazz for a specific base or more specifically if they are coming to Jazz it’s not for a base because they are transient pilots anyway. They view it as a temporary situation and most will get their base before they are done initial training anyhow.

[cdnavater]

%100 agree. This guy is getting a db pension, and craps on anyone making negative comments about jazz. Sure, there are some positives but right now the negatives out weigh the positives, especially if you don’t have access to a db pension, c2 passes, or upgrades on deadheads. Overall, the company is lucky to have a few pilots wants to stay like yourself. Please stay and keep your negativity from creating toxic environments at other companies.

Not completely true, even if you read the post you quoted, I clearly emphasize WAS the best and pointed out the irony of a pilot who worked for the original company that was created to drive us down and ended up working for what he called the worst company he ever worked for.
Get your facts straight, I simply despise when pilots won’t own their own part in the downward spiral of a once great company.
Believe me when I tell you, I’m not happy at work anymore, what is going on truly bothers me and my morale is very low, even with my coveted DB pension.
By the way, no one gets a DB anymore so what’s your point!

One thing I can tell you right now is that I’m happy going to work. In my opinion, that’s worth something too.

I’m glad for you, really but please realize that SR pilots helped create our situation and then to turn around and complain about it is nothing short of hypocritical.

[QKZXKV]

Not completely true, even if you read the post you quoted, I clearly emphasize WAS the best and pointed out the irony of a pilot who worked for the original company that was created to drive us down and ended up working for what he called the worst company he ever worked for.
Get your facts straight, I simply despise when pilots won’t own their own part in the downward spiral of a once great company.
Believe me when I tell you, I’m not happy at work anymore, what is going on truly bothers me and my morale is very low, even with my coveted DB pension.
By the way, no one gets a DB anymore so what’s your point!

One thing I can tell you right now is that I’m happy going to work. In my opinion, that’s worth something too.

I’m glad for you, really but please realize that SR pilots helped create our situation and then to turn around and complain about it is nothing short of hypocritical.

I've had my disagreements with you on other issues, but I completely agree with this one. The complaining from the SR group on stuff like bidding and other operational things on top of what you mentioned was distasteful and noticed by everyone at Jazz, including the people from Georgian.

[CaptDukeNukem]

One thing I can tell you right now is that I’m happy going to work. In my opinion, that’s worth something too.

I’m glad for you, really but please realize that SR pilots helped create our situation and then to turn around and complain about it is nothing short of hypocritical.

I've had my disagreements with you on other issues, but I completely agree with this one. The complaining from the SR group on stuff like bidding and other operational things on top of what you mentioned was distasteful and noticed by everyone at Jazz, including the people from Georgian.

Good thing we’re mostly gone then.

[canadian_aviator_4]

Says you… the pre 2015 hired pilot at jazz. Don’t give me that crap dude. We all end up where we supposed to be. You’re making good bucks at jazz. Ride out your career, you’ll be fine. For me, it wasn’t, and it sucked.

Edit: also you guys are the one who managed to wrangle the “exclusive AC express carrier” for a ridiculously long contract.
Well done, how’s that working out

%100 agree. This guy is getting a db pension, and craps on anyone making negative comments about jazz. Sure, there are some positives but right now the negatives out weigh the positives, especially if you don’t have access to a db pension, c2 passes, or upgrades on deadheads. Overall, the company is lucky to have a few pilots wants to stay like yourself. Please stay and keep your negativity from creating toxic environments at other companies.

Not completely true, even if you read the post you quoted, I clearly emphasize WAS the best and pointed out the irony of a pilot who worked for the original company that was created to drive us down and ended up working for what he called the worst company he ever worked for.
Get your facts straight, I simply despise when pilots won’t own their own part in the downward spiral of a once great company.
Believe me when I tell you, I’m not happy at work anymore, what is going on truly bothers me and my morale is very low, even with my coveted DB pension.
By the way, no one gets a DB anymore so what’s your point!

If you are not happy do something about it or leave. Complaining in this forum about your employer won’t do anything. Get involved in your union, bring up concerns with your company, and what ever else is possible.

[cdnavater]

I’m glad for you, really but please realize that SR pilots helped create our situation and then to turn around and complain about it is nothing short of hypocritical.

I've had my disagreements with you on other issues, but I completely agree with this one. The complaining from the SR group on stuff like bidding and other operational things on top of what you mentioned was distasteful and noticed by everyone at Jazz, including the people from Georgian.

Good thing we’re mostly gone then.

Yes

[rudder]

I've had my disagreements with you on other issues, but I completely agree with this one. The complaining from the SR group on stuff like bidding and other operational things on top of what you mentioned was distasteful and noticed by everyone at Jazz, including the people from Georgian.

Good thing we’re mostly gone then.

Yes

If I had to guess, less than 20% of the eligible ex-GGN pilots are still at Jazz. Perhaps closer to 10%.

Ex-SKV will likely be less than 33% by year end. It is what it is.

Jazz didn’t want pilots to treat being a CPA pilot as a ‘career’ job. They got their wish.

[Retro51]

Anyone knows what are the bids for the last class ?

It was
CRJ YYC 2
CRJ YVR 6
Q400 YYC 8

[rudder]

Anyone knows what are the bids for the last class ?

It was
CRJ YYC 2
CRJ YVR 6
Q400 YYC 8

Seem to have given up on the E-jet.

[Man_in_the_sky]

there's noone in the training department...

they all followed the money!

[capt_Z]

Anyone knows what are the bids for the last class ?

It was
CRJ YYC 2
CRJ YVR 6
Q400 YYC 8

[Turboprops]

Anyone knows what are the bids for the last class ?

It was
CRJ YYC 2
CRJ YVR 6
Q400 YYC 8

Thought you said June was last gs of the year, and YVR is reducing because there’s no new hire spots? So now YYC/YVR won’t get reduced but YYZ/YUL is screwed?

[QKZXKV]

Anyone knows what are the bids for the last class ?

It was
CRJ YYC 2
CRJ YVR 6
Q400 YYC 8

Your accuracy is as good as that of the pro-maskers.

[capt_Z]

October is last GS

[QKZXKV]

October is last GS

last GS before Jazz files for bankruptcy is probably what you'd be thinking.

[CaptDukeNukem]

there's noone in the training department...

they all followed the money!

Don’t worry. Contract trainers on the way.

[cdnavater]

there's noone in the training department...

they all followed the money!

Don’t worry. Contract trainers on the way.

Not really, if there is no one, 10% of no one is zero. Now I imagine they would round up, can’t have half a contract trainer, however I don’t know what that would look like, eg; 5 EJet trainers would be .5, maybe only allowing for a part time contract. If you have 10 trainers on a type you can have 1 contract trainer for that type. I know the language states 2 half time contract trainers equal 1 full time.

[CaptDukeNukem]

there's noone in the training department...

they all followed the money!

Don’t worry. Contract trainers on the way.

Not really, if there is no one, 10% of no one is zero. Now I imagine they would round up, can’t have half a contract trainer, however I don’t know what that would look like, eg; 5 EJet trainers would be .5, maybe only allowing for a part time contract. If you have 10 trainers on a type you can have 1 contract trainer for that type. I know the language states 2 half time contract trainers equal 1 full time.

I understand this…. But you still need trainers. And especially trainers for the E1 are dropping like flies. The company will do what is required. That has been made more than clear regarding many contractual obligations.

I guess maybe not as many are required since a substantial amount of jets are parked. Anyone who taxied an airplane in YUL down alpha would agree.