How to postone an offer?

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How to postone an offer?

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You apply to several companies. They have different timelines. You would like to get as many offers as possible to be able to compare them.

How do you delay answering an offer that comes earlier than the others? Is it acceptable to say "Thank you for the offer, I will give you a response in 1/2/4 weeks" ??? Is this a very risky approach to have the offer retracted?

Just entering the aviation industry, any insight would be so helpful. Thanks!
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I'm sure it all depends on your experience level.

In general I'd say it wouldn't go over well. Remember, you probably told them during the interview it's your life long dream to work for their company...

For most aviation companies, the offer wouln't be too much of a surprise. A lot of them have CBAs, some mention the salary range in the ad, and for others you likely ask for the salary during the first interview.

You do hear more stories of people accepting a job, and then not showing up for ground school. That's something you could do, although it would be quite a shitty thing to do.
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Me262 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 9:32 am How do you delay answering an offer that comes earlier than the others? Is it acceptable to say "Thank you for the offer, I will give you a response in 1/2/4 weeks" ??? Is this a very risky approach to have the offer retracted?
Unless you have some unique qualifications that the company is really after, response to an offer is basically a binary thing, you accept it or not. Most places will consider anything other than 'when do I start' as a 'not', and proceed to offer elsewhere.
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goldeneagle wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:28 pm
Me262 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 9:32 am How do you delay answering an offer that comes earlier than the others? Is it acceptable to say "Thank you for the offer, I will give you a response in 1/2/4 weeks" ??? Is this a very risky approach to have the offer retracted?
Unless you have some unique qualifications that the company is really after, response to an offer is basically a binary thing, you accept it or not. Most places will consider anything other than 'when do I start' as a 'not', and proceed to offer elsewhere.
Thank you for your insight. So only apply to jobs in the order of preference :D
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Me262 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 9:32 am You apply to several companies. They have different timelines. You would like to get as many offers as possible to be able to compare them.

How do you delay answering an offer that comes earlier than the others? Is it acceptable to say "Thank you for the offer, I will give you a response in 1/2/4 weeks" ??? Is this a very risky approach to have the offer retracted?

Just entering the aviation industry, any insight would be so helpful. Thanks!
Not that long ago one would jump on whatever first offer would materialize by miracle :mrgreen:

Really a sign of time!
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I would say it is more along the line of thinking you are such a great candidate that everyone will want you and the offers will roll in. I know that because I am guilty of that as well, both early on in my career and later on too! You pump yourself up with the idea you would be perfect for them when in reality, there are so many choices and personal preferences for the company(s) hiring that you probably don't meet. It is very similar to one's love life and the pursuit for the perfect partner.
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I hear stories all the time of people deferring courses. Most of the majors will accept numerous deferrals before they give you a hard date that you have to shit or get off the pot by. Free advise on the internet and all, but HR people understand life happens, If you explain about the death in the family, or some other great personal trauma going on in your life (ie. lie), I sure wouldn't tell the truth if you're just waiting for your first choice to come through though.
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co-joe wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:42 am I hear stories all the time of people deferring courses. Most of the majors will accept numerous deferrals before they give you a hard date that you have to shit or get off the pot by. Free advise on the internet and all, but HR people understand life happens, If you explain about the death in the family, or some other great personal trauma going on in your life (ie. lie), I sure wouldn't tell the truth if you're just waiting for your first choice to come through though.
That's the big difference, it's an 'I accept, but can I start in 2 months?', not 'Hmm can I get 2 months to think about it?'.
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TG wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:11 am
Me262 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 9:32 am You apply to several companies. They have different timelines. You would like to get as many offers as possible to be able to compare them.

How do you delay answering an offer that comes earlier than the others? Is it acceptable to say "Thank you for the offer, I will give you a response in 1/2/4 weeks" ??? Is this a very risky approach to have the offer retracted?

Just entering the aviation industry, any insight would be so helpful. Thanks!
Not that long ago one would jump on whatever first offer would materialize by miracle :mrgreen:

Really a sign of time!
Yep, this is a unique time in Canadian aviation. We are overdue for a major correction, but hard to see that happening in the current supply demand conditions.

To answer OP, an offer would come with an expiry, typically. If you are really wanting to play the field, accept the offer, and push the start date. A bird in hand and all. If the market is that sharp right now, maybe another offer can give you some leverage to improve the original offer. If it’s a small operator giving the initial offer, understand that they don’t have the deep resources or pilot pipeline of a larger 704/5 operator, so maybe adjust your actions accordingly. Just my 2 cents.
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wallypilot wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 8:34 am
TG wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:11 am
Me262 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 9:32 am You apply to several companies. They have different timelines. You would like to get as many offers as possible to be able to compare them.

How do you delay answering an offer that comes earlier than the others? Is it acceptable to say "Thank you for the offer, I will give you a response in 1/2/4 weeks" ??? Is this a very risky approach to have the offer retracted?

Just entering the aviation industry, any insight would be so helpful. Thanks!
Not that long ago one would jump on whatever first offer would materialize by miracle :mrgreen:

Really a sign of time!
Yep, this is a unique time in Canadian aviation. We are overdue for a major correction, but hard to see that happening in the current supply demand conditions.

To answer OP, an offer would come with an expiry, typically. If you are really wanting to play the field, accept the offer, and push the start date. A bird in hand and all. If the market is that sharp right now, maybe another offer can give you some leverage to improve the original offer. If it’s a small operator giving the initial offer, understand that they don’t have the deep resources or pilot pipeline of a larger 704/5 operator, so maybe adjust your actions accordingly. Just my 2 cents.
Overdue? We literally just got out of the worst industry downturn in aviation history like last year
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Overdue? We literally just got out of the worst industry downturn in aviation history like last year
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Yes overdue. COVID was a pause in a major ramp up that hasn’t been seen since the 70’s. So if you are so focused on 2 yrs of the history but not looking at the surrounding 50, then I don’t know what else I can say to you. This is by far the biggest hiring spree in 5 decades. So yes, it’s due for a correction. Don’t get me wrong, I hope it doesn’t come crashing down, but I’m a pessimist, so take that for what it’s worth.
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you are all over thinking it. Just take the first job offer, and if a better one comes, then take it. Don't be a slave.
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wallypilot wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 8:34 am Yep, this is a unique time in Canadian aviation. We are overdue for a major correction, but hard to see that happening in the current supply demand conditions.
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Bede wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 5:02 am
wallypilot wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 8:34 am Yep, this is a unique time in Canadian aviation. We are overdue for a major correction, but hard to see that happening in the current supply demand conditions.
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I don’t think the gambler’s fallacy is really applicable here.

Excessive liquidity, high inflation, rising interest rates, and an economy almost entirely driven by real estate speculation. I’d choose a house of cards, personally, with the person adding the next level saying it worked 8 times before so it’s going to work this time.

There’s a strong correlation between low unemployment rates (we are at the lowest point in the 21st century right now at 5.5%) and incoming recessions, as companies cannot expand and investments cannot grow. Immigration is trying to solve this but few of these workers are skilled and they have no place live.
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thepoops wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:21 am you are all over thinking it. Just take the first job offer, and if a better one comes, then take it. Don't be a slave.
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