Fall 2023 Hiring Update

[tbaylx]

Fall 2023 Hiring Update

We will be running a Nov 6th course of 12 pilots. 6 DEC's and 6 FO's all YYZ-based (potential for YKF if desired for FO's).

Our recruiting team will be reaching out to those who are in the pool and who have previously interviewed.

We anticipate more hiring in early 2024.

[flyingpilot]

if called for an interview for toronto base can we postpone for a calgary base?

[Apestogetherstrong]

Yyz base
-they make you park at the office in the farthest spot. You will have to walk 15 mins just to reach the terminal 3(sweaty in the summer, wet in the rain and dirty with all the slush and salt from walking on the dirty footpath). That road is also very unsafe to cross with lots of trucks and sloppy drivers.
-once you reach the terminal plan on another 12 mins of walking to the shitty satellite gates
-the reserve callout period is 1.5 hours and 18 days on reserve
-lots of early morning 5am starts and lots of red eyes
-they don’t serve you any meals or snacks
-only 2 pants and 4 shirts for uniform allotment
-85hrs MMG
-they recommend you bring your own plastic water bottles and fill up once you get to the secure side although they will still give you water on board
-shitty contract
-Risk of going bankrupt
-poor maintenance and multiple MEL’s
-pay is the worst for an airline who’s ceo went on media bashing how westjet was paying their pilots poorly

. I don’t mean to discourage Anyone for applying here. I’m just stating facts. Apply at AT, SW, WJ or even Porter. Maybe even Lynx. I’ll invite the management now to shed some light on the pros and also point out if I’m wrong on ANY of the points mentioned above.

[lament]

-the reserve callout period is 1.5 hours

This really needs to change given that you spend 1/3 of that callout time just walking from your car to the gate

[tbaylx]

if called for an interview for toronto base can we postpone for a calgary base?

You can, but we have a list of pilots on property that are waiting for YYC so it may be awhile.

[tbaylx]

-the reserve callout period is 1.5 hours

This really needs to change given that you spend 1/3 of that callout time just walking from your car to the gate

You may want to go see your CAME if it takes you that long. The walk is a well-planned part of a crew fitness and wellness program designed by HR. Surely you support our crew's well-being and health?

[HKPILOT]

Anything open for YOW base once training completed in YYZ?

[tbaylx]

Anything open for YOW base once training completed in YYZ?

We only have openings in YYZ and YKF at the moment. We open up base and position bids a few times per year for internal moves.

[the_new_guy]

Yyz base
-they make you park at the office in the farthest spot. You will have to walk 15 mins just to reach the terminal 3(sweaty in the summer, wet in the rain and dirty with all the slush and salt from walking on the dirty footpath). That road is also very unsafe to cross with lots of trucks and sloppy drivers.
-once you reach the terminal plan on another 12 mins of walking to the shitty satellite gates
-the reserve callout period is 1.5 hours and 18 days on reserve
-lots of early morning 5am starts and lots of red eyes
-they don’t serve you any meals or snacks
-only 2 pants and 4 shirts for uniform allotment
-85hrs MMG
-they recommend you bring your own plastic water bottles and fill up once you get to the secure side although they will still give you water on board
-shitty contract
-Risk of going bankrupt
-poor maintenance and multiple MEL’s
-pay is the worst for an airline who’s ceo went on media bashing how westjet was paying their pilots poorly

. I don’t mean to discourage Anyone for applying here. I’m just stating facts. Apply at AT, SW, WJ or even Porter. Maybe even Lynx. I’ll invite the management now to shed some light on the pros and also point out if I’m wrong on ANY of the points mentioned above.

Just one point to address. Maintenance isn't shitty and we don't have lots of MEL. The latest are part of any operation really. I have friends all over as I'm sure you do too, and they all fly with good and maybe shittier planes once in a while. 220s at AC are a pain, 320s are bucket full of MELs, widebodies really showing their age, Transat, sunwing, westjet is the same. Just part of flying.

Maintenance is still scaling up as the company does the same and it'll be years before we have maintenance at every possible station and maintenance of our own (not contracted out) at those locations.

Won't address the rest of your points as I maybe would have expressed it differently, but I think you're right in most of those.

[Inverted2]

1.5 hr call out? No thanks. With the shitty GTA traffic these days you pretty much have to live in Brampistan or Mississauga to make that.

[flyinhigh]

-the reserve callout period is 1.5 hours

This really needs to change given that you spend 1/3 of that callout time just walking from your car to the gate

You may want to go see your CAME if it takes you that long. The walk is a well-planned part of a crew fitness and wellness program designed by HR. Surely you support our crew's well-being and health?

What a stupid answer, sarcasm or not. I mean seriously, you built in the fact pilots essentially have to run in uniform for health and well being from an outside facility no less.

Good on Flair for saving a buck.

[Apestogetherstrong]

The low pay and poor working conditions are also part of Flair’s HR initiative to lose pilots to Porter and Air Canada under get your type rating and move on program. Your CEO Jones used to ridicule Westjet on media that they need to pay their pilots better. Where is he now?

Porter just had a fourth increase. Their yr 1 E-2 is now $190k while Flair is at $150k. Their mmg is 75 while Flair is at 85.

[co-joe]

I was told in my interview they want to hire 400 pilots in 2023. Even more in 2024

HOw are they going to even hire that many if they don't pay? No one is going to go to westjet if they don't pay! Reopen the contract to have starting money at 100k to start!

At least apedude is an equal opportunity troll, who bashes all companies somewhat on a level playing field, the above is in the WestJet forum.

Here he is slinging mud in the transat forum. I think he's just an angry person.

I’m raising awareness. Yr 1 salary in the LOW 60’s. 3 yr BOND $30,000.

[BTD]

Different user names. Notice the S

[Canpilot7]

Yyz base
-they make you park at the office in the farthest spot. You will have to walk 15 mins just to reach the terminal 3(sweaty in the summer, wet in the rain and dirty with all the slush and salt from walking on the dirty footpath). That road is also very unsafe to cross with lots of trucks and sloppy drivers.
-once you reach the terminal plan on another 12 mins of walking to the shitty satellite gates
-the reserve callout period is 1.5 hours and 18 days on reserve
-lots of early morning 5am starts and lots of red eyes
-they don’t serve you any meals or snacks
-only 2 pants and 4 shirts for uniform allotment
-85hrs MMG
-they recommend you bring your own plastic water bottles and fill up once you get to the secure side although they will still give you water on board
-shitty contract
-Risk of going bankrupt
-poor maintenance and multiple MEL’s
-pay is the worst for an airline who’s ceo went on media bashing how westjet was paying their pilots poorly

. I don’t mean to discourage Anyone for applying here. I’m just stating facts. Apply at AT, SW, WJ or even Porter. Maybe even Lynx. I’ll invite the management now to shed some light on the pros and also point out if I’m wrong on ANY of the points mentioned above.

Just one point to address. Maintenance isn't shitty and we don't have lots of MEL. The latest are part of any operation really. I have friends all over as I'm sure you do too, and they all fly with good and maybe shittier planes once in a while. 220s at AC are a pain, 320s are bucket full of MELs, widebodies really showing their age, Transat, sunwing, westjet is the same. Just part of flying.

Maintenance is still scaling up as the company does the same and it'll be years before we have maintenance at every possible station and maintenance of our own (not contracted out) at those locations.

Won't address the rest of your points as I maybe would have expressed it differently, but I think you're right in most of those.

This isn't true. Can't speak to flair maintenance, but the idea that even those three carriers have even comparable numbers of MELs isn't remotely true. Keep in mind the flying that Transat and Sunwing do is quite different than WestJet and as such their downtime is different.

As far as the above goes, is callout really 1.5 hours? Who made this contract?

[the_new_guy]

Yyz base
-they make you park at the office in the farthest spot. You will have to walk 15 mins just to reach the terminal 3(sweaty in the summer, wet in the rain and dirty with all the slush and salt from walking on the dirty footpath). That road is also very unsafe to cross with lots of trucks and sloppy drivers.
-once you reach the terminal plan on another 12 mins of walking to the shitty satellite gates
-the reserve callout period is 1.5 hours and 18 days on reserve
-lots of early morning 5am starts and lots of red eyes
-they don’t serve you any meals or snacks
-only 2 pants and 4 shirts for uniform allotment
-85hrs MMG
-they recommend you bring your own plastic water bottles and fill up once you get to the secure side although they will still give you water on board
-shitty contract
-Risk of going bankrupt
-poor maintenance and multiple MEL’s
-pay is the worst for an airline who’s ceo went on media bashing how westjet was paying their pilots poorly

. I don’t mean to discourage Anyone for applying here. I’m just stating facts. Apply at AT, SW, WJ or even Porter. Maybe even Lynx. I’ll invite the management now to shed some light on the pros and also point out if I’m wrong on ANY of the points mentioned above.

Just one point to address. Maintenance isn't shitty and we don't have lots of MEL. The latest are part of any operation really. I have friends all over as I'm sure you do too, and they all fly with good and maybe shittier planes once in a while. 220s at AC are a pain, 320s are bucket full of MELs, widebodies really showing their age, Transat, sunwing, westjet is the same. Just part of flying.

Maintenance is still scaling up as the company does the same and it'll be years before we have maintenance at every possible station and maintenance of our own (not contracted out) at those locations.

Won't address the rest of your points as I maybe would have expressed it differently, but I think you're right in most of those.

This isn't true. Can't speak to flair maintenance, but the idea that even those three carriers have even comparable numbers of MELs isn't remotely true. Keep in mind the flying that Transat and Sunwing do is quite different than WestJet and as such their downtime is different.

As far as the above goes, is callout really 1.5 hours? Who made this contract?

My point being that MELs are part of flying the line anywhere. To say our 73s are full of MELs is plainly wrong. It happens that you'll have a few items on one plane, these would be most of the time arm rest, furnishings, maybe a water boiler.. You don't see systems that affect the performance of the plane on MEL anywhere close to frequently. Such as packs, bleed, apu, reverser, brakes, etc. Been here for a couple of years now and I saw a reverser inop twice, and an apu inop. That's the extent of it for major system. Oh and the vacuum system in the lav not working which was all kinds of fun having to make sure no one goes to use it on the ground when boarding till your at 16k' or higher

As for the contract.. Yeah.

[co-joe]

Different user names. Notice the S

Or he just has so many used accounts, he can't keep track of them all any more.

[ShillBill]

HOw are they going to even hire that many if they don't pay? No one is going to go to westjet if they don't pay! Reopen the contract to have starting money at 100k to start!

At least apedude is an equal opportunity troll, who bashes all companies somewhat on a level playing field, the above is in the WestJet forum.

Here he is slinging mud in the transat forum. I think he's just an angry person.

I’m raising awareness. Yr 1 salary in the LOW 60’s. 3 yr BOND $30,000.

Apedude slings mud because he is right

Flair is damn joke for pay and so is a bond at Transat

This whole country is a joke for pilots

And you all shilling ain't helping

[flyinhigh]

At least apedude is an equal opportunity troll, who bashes all companies somewhat on a level playing field, the above is in the WestJet forum.

Here he is slinging mud in the transat forum. I think he's just an angry person.

I’m raising awareness. Yr 1 salary in the LOW 60’s. 3 yr BOND $30,000.

Apedude slings mud because he is right

Flair is damn joke for pay and so is a bond at Transat

This whole country is a joke for pilots

And you all shilling ain't helping

Says the guy who made a username that has 5 posts, doing nothing but bitch.

Also, what is shilling? I must be old as I have know idea what this is.

[icetouch]

Due to family reasons, relocating outside of YVR/YXX is unfortunately not an option at this time. Just so I'm not misunderstanding it, we do have the option to remain in the pool until YVR/YXX have openings?

[ShillBill]

Also, what is shilling? I must be old as I have know idea what this is.

You might be a shill if...

You think pointing out problems is the problem and you yourself bitch about "bitching"

You might be a shill if...

If you think working more is a pay raise

You might be a shill if...

If you think promises of growth expansion is a pay raise

You might be a shill if...

If you think new shiny planes has something to do with a union

You might be a shill...

If you are worried your union demands might be bad for your airline

You might be a shill...

If you think management is "2 or 3 steps ahead" and a union simply can't win

You might be a shill...

If you believe any rhetoric to why you are worth LESS. "Closed borders", "temporary pilot shortage", "Can't afford US wages", "Need to compare apples to apples", "arbitration"

You might be a shill...

if you think being buddies with management and asking nicely will get you what you deserve

You might be a shill if...

you have time for OT but no time to show up to union events or read union communications


Shilling got us where we are today. The results speak for themselves

Don't be a shill

[Assenav_07]

Is the Nov 6 GS still happening?
Have you send out the invites? For this, do flair provide any assistance for relocation to yyz?

[the_new_guy]

Is the Nov 6 GS still happening?
Have you send out the invites? For this, do flair provide any assistance for relocation to yyz?

To my knowledge the invites went out but there's still time so maybe not all of them.

There's no assistance to relocate at Flair, or any airlines that I know of in Canada for that matter.

[Assenav_07]

Is the Nov 6 GS still happening?
Have you send out the invites? For this, do flair provide any assistance for relocation to yyz?

To my knowledge the invites went out but there's still time so maybe not all of them.

There's no assistance to relocate at Flair, or any airlines that I know of in Canada for that matter.

Hello, thank you for the information..is the nov 6 GS still happening? Was emailed before about the tentative schedule but no update yet from Flair. Just wondering because I still need to consider and look for a place in yyz before the GS. When will Flair email the final invite and how long is the process like the actual signing of the contract, ground school etc?

[PittBoss]

Fall 2023 Hiring Update

We will be running a Nov 6th course of 12 pilots. 6 DEC's and 6 FO's all YYZ-based (potential for YKF if desired for FO's).

Our recruiting team will be reaching out to those who are in the pool and who have previously interviewed.

We anticipate more hiring in early 2024.

Are the invitations going out?