Will this affect everything...

[skkfdk]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/23/ala ... ckpit.html


https://youtu.be/dbU6E6VJx30?feature=shared

[digits_]

In case anyone was wondering what this is actually about:

22/OCT/2023
Horizon E175 from Seattle to San Francisco had to divert to Portland after the pilot sitting in the jumpseat inside the cockpit tried to reach both Engine Fire handles on the overhead panel, which would cause both engines to stop receiving fuel and shut down.

Also:

An off-duty Alaska Airlines pilot taking a ride Sunday in the jump seat of a flight out of Everett attempted to shut down the engines inflight and had to be subdued, the pilot is heard saying in a recording of the exchange with air traffic controllers.

Horizon Air flight 2059 from Everett to San Francisco diverted to Portland where it landed safely, and the Alaska Airlines pilot was arrested.

“I’ll just give you a heads-up. We’ve got the guy that tried to shut the engines down out of the cockpit,” the pilot told Portland air traffic control in a calm voice. “It doesn’t seem like he’s causing any issue at the back. I think he’s subdued.”

“Other than that, we want law enforcement as soon as we get on the ground and parked,” the pilot is heard saying in a recording of the exchange with air traffic controllers.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... m-everett/


Perhaps the saving grace for the jump seat could be that it was an off duty pilot from the same company occupying the jump seat.

[Inverted2]

Just when the jump seat access rules were getting relaxed some nutcase goes and ruins it…..

[JustaCanadian]

Curious how this went down. Does the embraer fire handle need to be overridden to pull when it has no indication?

Was this guy just making a "joke" about pulling the handle or did he actually go for it? It doesn't seem like he actually put up a fight to get the job done if his intent was murder suicide.

[fixnfly]

The guy was an Alaskan Airlines pilot commuting on company metal to SFO to start his pairing. He could have easily done this while operating his own flight if he was so keen. Banning jumpseaters would not address the issue at hand at all, it's a mental health problem, and something TC and the FAA should be taking a closer look at. I'd argue, having a pilot in the jumpseat makes the flight more secure. Always nice to have an extra set of eyes from another crewmember with a security clearance.

[daedalusx]

That’s a weird one to be honest.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ngine.html

Might have been a cry for help.

[rookiepilot]

Sad story.

[Canadaflyer46]

Forget logic. Knee jerk reactions are what we’ll see. Remember German Wings and FAs babysitting you? Remember the 1500 rule after Colgan even through both those pilots had 3000+ hours?
I’m expecting an FAA announcement banning anyone in the jump seat! It’ll last 6 months until enough flights have been cancelled because commuting pilots didn’t make their flight.

[‘Bob’]

There will be a ban. Even though it goes to show that screening tests are a joke. The number of pilots who mask mental health concerns is absolutely staggering.

Pilotless aircraft are sounding more and more appealing.

[JungleRiot]

Bro let his intrusive thoughts win...

[cdnavater]

Bro let his intrusive thoughts win...

I’m sorry, are you saying everyone has intrusive thoughts of shutting down engines in flight and it’s a constant fight against those thoughts?
It’s a very sad story besides the ramifications of it towards Jumpseat privileges, this pilot is facing 83 counts of attempted murder, etc..
I hope it can be medically explained, like a small operable tumour in the frontal lobe, just sad.

[digits_]

Bro let his intrusive thoughts win...

I’m sorry, are you saying everyone has intrusive thoughts of shutting down engines in flight and it’s a constant fight against those thoughts?

'Call of the void' might be more accurate. https://www.livescience.com/what-is-call-of-the-void

It's estimated that at least half of the people on this planet experience it every now and then. Not necessarily specifically 'what would happen if I shut down both engines', but very similar thoughts such as 'what would happen if I jumped of this building' or 'what if I randomly swerved into traffic'.

It's pretty harmless.

https://www.wbur.org/endlessthread/2018 ... f-the-void

The irony is that it's supposed to protect you

"It could be the case that when you're up somewhere high, your brain is basically sending an alarm signal — you know, be careful. And that could actually lead you to take a step back, or notice your surroundings,"

[BTD]

Jim Carey bit from years ago. “Impulses”

https://youtu.be/4YnslaUd4VY?si=qnjkvEUZlUSqUMxF

[8895]

Well that’s one way to try and book off the pairing

[cdnavater]

Bro let his intrusive thoughts win...

I’m sorry, are you saying everyone has intrusive thoughts of shutting down engines in flight and it’s a constant fight against those thoughts?

'Call of the void' might be more accurate. https://www.livescience.com/what-is-call-of-the-void

It's estimated that at least half of the people on this planet experience it every now and then. Not necessarily specifically 'what would happen if I shut down both engines', but very similar thoughts such as 'what would happen if I jumped of this building' or 'what if I randomly swerved into traffic'.

It's pretty harmless.

https://www.wbur.org/endlessthread/2018 ... f-the-void

The irony is that it's supposed to protect you

"It could be the case that when you're up somewhere high, your brain is basically sending an alarm signal — you know, be careful. And that could actually lead you to take a step back, or notice your surroundings,"

I’ll have to pay more attention to my thoughts, I don’t recall thinking these thoughts, I suppose I could be in the other 50% because I know what would happen if I jumped off the building etc, nothing good.

[Blueontop]

Oh this just keeps getting better (weirder?)

Seems, very first reports coming out, that he was on magic mushrooms at the time and might have been a complete @#$! up on his part and not malicious intent. Can’t wait to see the final report on this wow

[digits_]

Oh this just keeps getting better (weirder?)

Seems, very first reports coming out, that he was on magic mushrooms at the time and might have been a complete @#$! up on his part and not malicious intent. Can’t wait to see the final report on this wow

Wow....

And he was deadheading with the intent to go flying as a crew member

[digits_]

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ff-engines

Emerson also told investigators that he was in the midst of a “nervous breakdown” and that he had not slept in 40 hours, according to the complaint.

He talked with the officer about “the use of psychedelic mushrooms” and said “it was his first time taking mushrooms.”

“I’m admitting to what I did. I’m not fighting any charges you want to bring against me, guys,” he told police, according to the complaint.

[hithere]

He said he had become depressed about six months prior and had recently experimented with psychedelic mushrooms.
So it sounds like he was trying to self medicate with mushrooms rather than go on an antidepressant that would require a minimum of a six month grounding (per FAA and TC policy on taking antidepressants)

[cdnavater]

He said he had become depressed about six months prior and had recently experimented with psychedelic mushrooms.
So it sounds like he was trying to self medicate with mushrooms rather than go on an antidepressant that would require a minimum of a six month grounding (per FAA and TC policy on taking antidepressants)

I had read he took the mushrooms two days before, should be completely out of his system, still though, certainly a poor choice to self medicate.

[mmm...bacon]

Poor fcuker. Struggling with mental health, scared to do something about it due to worries about his career/licence/job, takes some ill-advised action, and now he’ll (probably) lose all 3, and perhaps his freedom for a while also.

Guys (Gals?) - if any of you are struggling with depression/mental health issues, speak up and talk to someone, anyone. Paradoxically, one of the best days of my life - in retrospect - was the day I talked to my Dr.and CAME about my mental health.

IT IS NOT THE END OF YOUR CAREER!

[JungleRiot]

Bro let his intrusive thoughts win...

I’m sorry, are you saying everyone has intrusive thoughts of shutting down engines in flight and it’s a constant fight against those thoughts?
It’s a very sad story besides the ramifications of it towards Jumpseat privileges, this pilot is facing 83 counts of attempted murder, etc..
I hope it can be medically explained, like a small operable tumour in the frontal lobe, just sad.

Did I say that?
Your apology has been noted.

[rookiepilot]

Poor fcuker. Struggling with mental health, scared to do something about it due to worries about his career/licence/job, takes some ill-advised action, and now he’ll (probably) lose all 3, and perhaps his freedom for a while also.

Guys (Gals?) - if any of you are struggling with depression/mental health issues, speak up and talk to someone, anyone. Paradoxically, one of the best days of my life - in retrospect - was the day I talked to my Dr.and CAME about my mental health.

IT IS NOT THE END OF YOUR CAREER!

Bravo. Wonderful post. And been there, too.

There is much mental health challenges today with the condition of our world and society.

[cdnavater]

Bro let his intrusive thoughts win...

I’m sorry, are you saying everyone has intrusive thoughts of shutting down engines in flight and it’s a constant fight against those thoughts?
It’s a very sad story besides the ramifications of it towards Jumpseat privileges, this pilot is facing 83 counts of attempted murder, etc..
I hope it can be medically explained, like a small operable tumour in the frontal lobe, just sad.

Did I say that?
Your apology has been noted.

It was phrased as a question, your non answer has been noted. Do you know this guy? Do you think he has a history of intrusive thoughts that finally “won”?
Why don’t you try contributing to the conversation instead of idiotic statements!

[rookiepilot]

There will be a ban. Even though it goes to show that screening tests are a joke. The number of pilots who mask mental health concerns is absolutely staggering.

Pilotless aircraft are sounding more and more appealing.

Your concern for one of your own in an obvious deep crisis, is so touching.

Deeply, deeply moved.