Will this affect everything...

[JungleRiot]

I’m sorry, are you saying everyone has intrusive thoughts of shutting down engines in flight and it’s a constant fight against those thoughts?
It’s a very sad story besides the ramifications of it towards Jumpseat privileges, this pilot is facing 83 counts of attempted murder, etc..
I hope it can be medically explained, like a small operable tumour in the frontal lobe, just sad.

Did I say that?
Your apology has been noted.

It was phrased as a question, your non answer has been noted. Do you know this guy? Do you think he has a history of intrusive thoughts that finally “won”?
Why don’t you try contributing to the conversation instead of idiotic statements!

you sound like a they/them

[pdw]

Struggling with mental health, scared to do something about it due to worries about his career/licence/job,takes some ill-advised action …[/b]

I’ll advised .. albeit legal?

Bad as this is, the PIC’s decision to land in Oregon may have been better for this individual’s defence if mushrooms are against the law at destination. It’s legal where they landed as long as proper consultation done ahead of time. Taken “two days ago” yet had ‘no sleep’ for “”40hrs”?

[Inverted2]

Struggling with mental health, scared to do something about it due to worries about his career/licence/job,takes some ill-advised action …[/b]

I’ll advised .. albeit legal?

Bad as this is, the PIC’s decision to land in Oregon may have been better for this individual’s defence if mushrooms are against the law at destination. It’s legal where they landed as long as proper consultation done ahead of time. Taken “two days ago” yet had ‘no sleep’ for “”40hrs”?

Shrooms are illegal federally like pot. Aviation in the US is also federal (FAA) so I don’t think it matters where they landed. Thank god it was at an airport! On a side note the guy that ran over the muslims in London admitted to doing shrooms a couple days before his attack so no, I don’t think we should be condoning any illegal drug use.

[Donald]

Struggling with mental health, scared to do something about it due to worries about his career/licence/job,takes some ill-advised action …[/b]

I’ll advised .. albeit legal?

Bad as this is, the PIC’s decision to land in Oregon may have been better for this individual’s defence if mushrooms are against the law at destination. It’s legal where they landed as long as proper consultation done ahead of time. Taken “two days ago” yet had ‘no sleep’ for “”40hrs”?

Shrooms are illegal federally like pot. Aviation in the US is also federal (FAA) so I don’t think it matters where they landed. Thank god it was at an airport! On a side note the guy that ran over the muslims in London admitted to doing shrooms a couple days before his attack so no, I don’t think we should be condoning any illegal drug use.

From the current CBC article on this event:

"While psilocybin is illegal in most of the country — Oregon legalized it for adults this year — the Food and Drug Administration in 2018 designated it a "breakthrough therapy" that might be used for mental health conditions or substance use disorders."

[pdw]

The “breakthrough” designation means fast tracked through the approval process twice as fast as the regular process — which is apparently twelve years.

That this is some kind of related withdrawal effect can’t be ruled out, perhaps this event includes coming off some other “self medicating” substance (like alcohol is mentioned) but for sure then ongoing lack of sleep wasn’t going to be helping any ‘developing situation’ with an upcoming work schedule (normal stress) closing in that morning. That news article also quotes him saying to authorities “ having a nervous breakdown”. Where’s the cutoff point here to tell your boss you don’t have the flu but you’re in in rough shape ..

[DanWEC]

Welp, you can guarantee than any sort of mushroom therapy or microdosing for people in aviation or other sensitive fields will be a hard unconditional no for the foreseeable future after this.

[Inverted2]

Welp, you can guarantee than any sort of mushroom therapy or microdosing for people in aviation or other sensitive fields will be a hard unconditional no for the foreseeable future after this.

Nope. If you tell your aviation medical examiner you smoked a doobie 25 years ago in the high school parking lot you’ll get your medical yanked if they tell TC so I don’t think we will be allowed to be tripping balls on shrooms anytime soon.

[hithere]

The “breakthrough” designation means fast tracked through the approval process twice as fast as the regular process — which is apparently twelve years.

That this is some kind of related withdrawal effect can’t be ruled out, perhaps this event includes coming off some other “self medicating” substance (like alcohol is mentioned) but for sure then ongoing lack of sleep wasn’t going to be helping any ‘developing situation’ with an upcoming work schedule (normal stress) closing in that morning. That news article also quotes him saying to authorities “ having a nervous breakdown”. Where’s the cutoff point here to tell your boss you don’t have the flu but you’re in in rough shape ..

Where was alcohol mentioned?

[cdnavater]

The “breakthrough” designation means fast tracked through the approval process twice as fast as the regular process — which is apparently twelve years.

That this is some kind of related withdrawal effect can’t be ruled out, perhaps this event includes coming off some other “self medicating” substance (like alcohol is mentioned) but for sure then ongoing lack of sleep wasn’t going to be helping any ‘developing situation’ with an upcoming work schedule (normal stress) closing in that morning. That news article also quotes him saying to authorities “ having a nervous breakdown”. Where’s the cutoff point here to tell your boss you don’t have the flu but you’re in in rough shape ..

Where was alcohol mentioned?

You apparently don’t speak pdw, other self medicating must have been mentioned, so his assumption is it was alcohol. A normal English proficient person would have wrote it this way, “self medicating substance(like alcohol) is mentioned.
Im happy to help interpret any other posts by pdw, I’ve been reading them for years and they haven’t changed, so I’m almost fluent now.

[rookiepilot]

The “breakthrough” designation means fast tracked through the approval process twice as fast as the regular process — which is apparently twelve years.

That this is some kind of related withdrawal effect can’t be ruled out, perhaps this event includes coming off some other “self medicating” substance (like alcohol is mentioned) but for sure then ongoing lack of sleep wasn’t going to be helping any ‘developing situation’ with an upcoming work schedule (normal stress) closing in that morning. That news article also quotes him saying to authorities “ having a nervous breakdown”. Where’s the cutoff point here to tell your boss you don’t have the flu but you’re in in rough shape ..

Where was alcohol mentioned?

You apparently don’t speak pdw, other self medicating must have been mentioned, so his assumption is it was alcohol. A normal English proficient person would have wrote it this way, “self medicating substance(like alcohol) is mentioned.
Im happy to help interpret any other posts by pdw, I’ve been reading them for years and they haven’t changed, so I’m almost fluent now.

Almost.

[‘Bob’]

His variable tailwinds speeches have saved me more than once.

[pelmet]

Basically, another mass random killing attempt. Had another one in Maine. There is a common link that people don’t like to admit

[cdnavater]

Basically, another mass random killing attempt. Had another one in Maine. There is a common link that people don’t like to admit

Gimme a hint, is it taxes?

[330heavy]

Basically, another mass random killing attempt. Had another one in Maine. There is a common link that people don’t like to admit

Gimme a hint, is it taxes?

Valid guess one can argue. Taxes and cost of living have been increasing, and so have mass killings.

[rookiepilot]

Basically, another mass random killing attempt. Had another one in Maine. There is a common link that people don’t like to admit

Do tell.

[pelmet]

Basically, another mass random killing attempt. Had another one in Maine. There is a common link that people don’t like to admit

Do tell.

I'll let others tell....

"The family of the Army reservist accused of fatally shooting more than a dozen people in Lewiston, Maine, alerted police and military officials that he was experiencing an “acute” mental health episode before the Wednesday night massacre, the suspect’s sister-in-law said."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fa ... rcna122353



He also told flight attendants to restrain him, told police he was having a "nervous breakdown," discussed use of psychedelic mushrooms and said he thought he was dreaming and just wanted to wake up.

https://abc7chicago.com/pilot-joseph-em ... /13960619/

[rookiepilot]

Basically, another mass random killing attempt. Had another one in Maine. There is a common link that people don’t like to admit

Do tell.

I'll let others tell....

"The family of the Army reservist accused of fatally shooting more than a dozen people in Lewiston, Maine, alerted police and military officials that he was experiencing an “acute” mental health episode before the Wednesday night massacre, the suspect’s sister-in-law said."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fa ... rcna122353



He also told flight attendants to restrain him, told police he was having a "nervous breakdown," discussed use of psychedelic mushrooms and said he thought he was dreaming and just wanted to wake up.

https://abc7chicago.com/pilot-joseph-em ... /13960619/

Ok.

And?

[cdnavater]

Basically, another mass random killing attempt. Had another one in Maine. There is a common link that people don’t like to admit

Do tell.

I'll let others tell....

"The family of the Army reservist accused of fatally shooting more than a dozen people in Lewiston, Maine, alerted police and military officials that he was experiencing an “acute” mental health episode before the Wednesday night massacre, the suspect’s sister-in-law said."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fa ... rcna122353



He also told flight attendants to restrain him, told police he was having a "nervous breakdown," discussed use of psychedelic mushrooms and said he thought he was dreaming and just wanted to wake up.

https://abc7chicago.com/pilot-joseph-em ... /13960619/

I don’t get it, what part is similar in your mind? One guy was hearing voices, the other was depressed and sleepless for nearly two days.
What are you implying here, is there a common cause that you see?
People are not in your mind, so why don’t you spell it out, exactly what you are thinking but I’m not seeing anything other than two completely separate incidents with no commonality!

[pelmet]

Do tell.

I'll let others tell....

"The family of the Army reservist accused of fatally shooting more than a dozen people in Lewiston, Maine, alerted police and military officials that he was experiencing an “acute” mental health episode before the Wednesday night massacre, the suspect’s sister-in-law said."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fa ... rcna122353



He also told flight attendants to restrain him, told police he was having a "nervous breakdown," discussed use of psychedelic mushrooms and said he thought he was dreaming and just wanted to wake up.

https://abc7chicago.com/pilot-joseph-em ... /13960619/

I don’t get it, what part is similar in your mind? One guy was hearing voices, the other was depressed and sleepless for nearly two days.
What are you implying here, is there a common cause that you see?
People are not in your mind, so why don’t you spell it out, exactly what you are thinking but I’m not seeing anything other than two completely separate incidents with no commonality!

I like the pretending that you can't see the link.

Mental illness of course.

This article is from 2018:

https://flightsafety.org/asw-article/co ... e-cockpit/

Not saying that I have the answer to this for pilots but the type of random mass murder designed to kill as many people as possible that happens so frequently happened a lot less back in the '50's. Red flag laws are a good quick start in terms of guns.

[7ECA]

Not saying that I have the answer to this for pilots but the type of random mass murder designed to kill as many people as possible that happens so frequently happened a lot less back in the '50's. Red flag laws are a good quick start in terms of guns.

Was that simply because men just drank themselves into a stupor and died young, or do you have another theory as to why the 50s were so enlightened when it came to mental health?

Also, Canada has a robust program in place to remove firearms and suspend licence privileges from individuals whom display behaviour threatening themselves or others, via the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP). Call 1-800-731-4000, press 2 (report a Public/Spousal Safety Concern).

[cdnavater]

I'll let others tell....

"The family of the Army reservist accused of fatally shooting more than a dozen people in Lewiston, Maine, alerted police and military officials that he was experiencing an “acute” mental health episode before the Wednesday night massacre, the suspect’s sister-in-law said."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fa ... rcna122353



He also told flight attendants to restrain him, told police he was having a "nervous breakdown," discussed use of psychedelic mushrooms and said he thought he was dreaming and just wanted to wake up.

https://abc7chicago.com/pilot-joseph-em ... /13960619/

I don’t get it, what part is similar in your mind? One guy was hearing voices, the other was depressed and sleepless for nearly two days.
What are you implying here, is there a common cause that you see?
People are not in your mind, so why don’t you spell it out, exactly what you are thinking but I’m not seeing anything other than two completely separate incidents with no commonality!

I like the pretending that you can't see the link.

Mental illness of course.

This article is from 2018:

https://flightsafety.org/asw-article/co ... e-cockpit/

Not saying that I have the answer to this for pilots but the type of random mass murder designed to kill as many people as possible that happens so frequently happened a lot less back in the '50's. Red flag laws are a good quick start in terms of guns.

Ok, I thought you were implying a common cause for the mental illness, that being said, the mass shooting had some red flags and family members apparently tried to intervene.
The Alaska pilot at this point seems like it was not preplanned and perhaps has a case for a temporary insanity defence, he absolutely should not have been going to work in the first place. I doubt he’ll ever fly again.

[Me262]

Forget logic. Knee jerk reactions are what we’ll see. Remember German Wings and FAs babysitting you? Remember the 1500 rule after Colgan even through both those pilots had 3000+ hours?
I’m expecting an FAA announcement banning anyone in the jump seat! It’ll last 6 months until enough flights have been cancelled because commuting pilots didn’t make their flight.

And what stops a pilot to do exactly this when he's actually flying the plane vs being in the jumpseat

[pdw]

The Colgan situation quoted there had a reported poorer sleep situation (one of the pilots) involved in the pairing.

But in this event it’s occurring within the misfortune of 40hrs no-sleep heading home via jump seat, the least ideal for sleeping (I would imagine). So yes, one can speculate how things could fair any different if it was to happen while actually on duty in the pilot seat.

Yet one might wonder here too if this isn’t brief dozing then waking with a start off that pedestal-like seat, grabbing at those close red handles in view above in sleepwalking style (after becoming so over-tired and just seconds into dreaming something dramatic).

[alkaseltzer]

So, is ALPA helping out the poor fella? All over CNN today.