nav can awws site closure

[oldncold]

6 days til it goes offline. So every time you want to chk weather you will have to log in pain in. A.. especially if yur monitoring airports with min wx ie. 3/8 mile in fog etc waitn for the 1/2 mile or other min conditions. There still time to complain service@navcan.ca. they nav can dont think anyone uses the site any more. Just pirate the info to there app . Not so. Let the communiry tell nav can leave it running

[futboler14]

6 days til it goes offline. So every time you want to chk weather you will have to log in pain in. A.. especially if yur monitoring airports with min wx ie. 3/8 mile in fog etc waitn for the 1/2 mile or other min conditions. There still time to complain service@navcan.ca. they nav can dont think anyone uses the site any more. Just pirate the info to there app . Not so. Let the communiry tell nav can leave it running

Whatever you did...... it worked!

[CpnCrunch]

The GFA on the new site is completely unusable on an ipad, as the window is cut off and it's difficult to scroll the content or see it all.

On a phone there simply isn't even an option to display the surface analysis, which isn't terribly useful, but perhaps understandable, as it would obviously be even less usable on a phone!

Right now the awws works fine on a phone, including the GFA. Not ideal due to the tiny buttons, but you can just zoom into the main page, or just click where you know the button is that you've clicked 1000 times before.

Ideal solution would be to pay a web developer to spend a few weeks making the existing awws site more mobile friendly, or just improve the new site.

I'm not sure why anyone would need to tell them this as it's obvious to anyone who uses the site.

[‘Bob’]

You can overlay surface analysis on ForeFlight.

Honestly that’s what NavCanada should do. Just shut down all of their websites and buy every pilot in Canada a FF subscription.

The only thing I don’t like about FF is that you can’t save GFAs for some reason.

[Dronepiper]

You actually don't need to login using the new CFPS website to view weather or notams. You can just click the box on the top that says "weather and NOTAM."

You only need to login if you want to file flight plans. This obviously makes sense because you would want your standard info to be pre filled anyways.

[CpnCrunch]

You actually don't need to login using the new CFPS website to view weather or notams. You can just click the box on the top that says "weather and NOTAM."

You only need to login if you want to file flight plans. This obviously makes sense because you would want your standard info to be pre filled anyways.

Still doesn't work properly on ipad, or at all on mobile (for GFA), even when logged in.

[CpnCrunch]

You can overlay surface analysis on ForeFlight.

Honestly that’s what NavCanada should do. Just shut down all of their websites and buy every pilot in Canada a FF subscription.

The only thing I don’t like about FF is that you can’t save GFAs for some reason.

The new NOTAMs are a disaster as well. I always just use FF, which gives us the airport and FIR NOTAMS that AWWS used to have. FltPlan Go doesn't seem to have FIR NOTAMs.

[Me262]

You can overlay surface analysis on ForeFlight.

Honestly that’s what NavCanada should do. Just shut down all of their websites and buy every pilot in Canada a FF subscription.

The only thing I don’t like about FF is that you can’t save GFAs for some reason.

I don't like it because I'm anti apple and refuse to buy any of their products

[Red_Comet]

Have to add my 2c to this. The new site is not easy to use or access at all, especially on mobile. AWWS keeps things organized and simple.

You can't convince me that it costs a ton to keep that site updated. Likely a rounding error for NavCanada.

[‘Bob’]

You can overlay surface analysis on ForeFlight.

Honestly that’s what NavCanada should do. Just shut down all of their websites and buy every pilot in Canada a FF subscription.

The only thing I don’t like about FF is that you can’t save GFAs for some reason.

I don't like it because I'm anti apple and refuse to buy any of their products

K

[digits_]

Have to add my 2c to this. The new site is not easy to use or access at all, especially on mobile. AWWS keeps things organized and simple.

You can't convince me that it costs a ton to keep that site updated. Likely a rounding error for NavCanada.

Likely some new IT or security manager getting worried about keeping old technology operational.

[Col. Panic]

I miss PATWAS!
While we’re at it I miss 1-800-INFO-FSS… and having someone read an FA and trying to visualize what the hell they were describing!

[spruceair]

I’ve heard from a Nav Canada person that AWWS will NOT close down for a few more months. They will work to fix the issues on CFPS in the interim, and longer term (1-2years?) they intend to either rebuild it completely or replace it all together. They admit that it is basically a disaster and are working to improve it.

[Teeg]

Feb 28 2024 is the new decommission date
https://plan.navcanada.ca/awws/notices/show/en

[Dmarchese]

The GFA on the new site is completely unusable on an ipad, as the window is cut off and it's difficult to scroll the content or see it all.

On a phone there simply isn't even an option to display the surface analysis, which isn't terribly useful, but perhaps understandable, as it would obviously be even less usable on a phone!

Right now the awws works fine on a phone, including the GFA. Not ideal due to the tiny buttons, but you can just zoom into the main page, or just click where you know the button is that you've clicked 1000 times before.

Ideal solution would be to pay a web developer to spend a few weeks making the existing awws site more mobile friendly, or just improve the new site.

I'm not sure why anyone would need to tell them this as it's obvious to anyone who uses the site.

I actually made an GFA viewer app for this a little time ago as a fun project while working towards my PPL. It’s not perfect but might solve your problem. Let me know if anything’s broken

https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/canadian- ... 6447487574

[Big Pistons Forever]

I’ve heard from a Nav Canada person that AWWS will NOT close down for a few more months. They will work to fix the issues on CFPS in the interim, and longer term (1-2years?) they intend to either rebuild it completely or replace it all together. They admit that it is basically a disaster and are working to improve it.

Nav Canada has been saying they are going to fix the Crappy Flight Planning Service for 2 years and it is just as useless as ever. The airlines don't use it so they are not complaining therefore nobody at Nav Canada cares or has shown any real interest in fixing it.

[oldncold]

Memo to Nav Can from thousands of professional aviators who Use the Awws site everyday >> leave the site alone !!

[digits_]

Memo to Nav Can from thousands of professional aviators who Use the Awws site everyday >> leave the site alone !!

And bring the NOTAM search back to AWWS as well!

[I WAS Pez]

Memo to Nav Can from thousands of professional aviators who Use the Awws site everyday >> leave the site alone !!

And bring the NOTAM search back to AWWS as well!

Yes to all. Realistically, a revamp to be more mobile friendly (AWWS works but it really isn't mobile friendly by any normal standards) isn't a bad idea, and to me, should be a core aim of any site redesign. That's really gotta be at the core of it - simple, easy to use, access to wx, NOTAMS, etc from a PC or a mobile device. If they weren't terrible at this, a simple iOS and Android app for it would be good too. The extra stuff like filing online is great and all, but they've managed to make wx and NOTAM access unusable.

I just went on there for the first time in quite a while to try and look at wx and it was terrible. Also, why is only the latest METAR shown for an airport??? Am I the only one that likes to look at trends for a period???

I find CFPS to be entirely unusable. Normally, I use AWWS for METARs, TAFs, GFAs, etc, and ForeFlight for NOTAMs now.

[oldncold]

Ok folks 10 days FEB 05 2024 till nav can pulls the plug unless we as a community keep the pressure up. service@navcanada.ca.

Lets let them know that we want the site left alone !!

[oldncold]

Keep up the pressure. 10 days till nav can pulls the plug let them know service@navcanada.ca

[Fly0nTheWall]

Says Feb. 28th now

[TurkeyFarmYQX]

Can we just pay the Yanks to have ADDS in Canada? It's so much better.

[CpnCrunch]

Can we just pay the Yanks to have ADDS in Canada? It's so much better.

Do they have any equivalent to our GFA? I can't find it. Their version of GFA doesn't appear to have prog charts or cloud info, and their (separate) prog charts don't have cloud info. We have prog charts and cloud info on the GFA, which seems (to me) the minimum info for adequate flight planning.

(Ironically their GFA title is "ceiling and visibility", but it doesn't show *either* of those, only shows whether it is VFR or IFR, which isn't very useful).

Perhaps I've missed something.

[Fly0nTheWall]

The FAA equivalent (https://aviationweather.gov/gfa/#obs). You have to sift through the layers and options quite a bit. And it's a graphical tool, so can be a little slow if grabbing in the air/on slow wifi. But it's far superior in my opinion with the ability to visualize your flight path through the weather with different layer options. And whaddya know, Canadian airports are in there too. I will say though, I do really like the simplicity of AWWS for grabbing the Metar/Tafs. It's way quicker and easier to load in the plane. That's about all I use AWWS for these days though.