Yr 1 FO $130k

[Apestogetherstrong]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Hold the line!

[PostmasterGeneral]

The company would love it if pilots settle for year one pay of only $130k… it better be a hell of a lot more than that.

[JustaCanadian]

The company would love it if pilots settle for year one pay of only $130k… it better be a hell of a lot more than that.

Is that not over a 100 percent increase in year one pay? Also on par with year one pay of US airlines. How much more your holding out for?

[daedalusx]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Hold the line!

Werent you the guy that promised Flair was gonna offer 89K/yr 1 FO on their last contract … how did that turn out ?

[Aviator12]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Good luck. I’m afraid you are going to be severely disappointed. Name a company in Canada where employees got a 120% pay raise through negotiations. It’s just not realistic.

[JustaCanadian]

130k 1st year pay is realistic, and would not be surprising.

I disagree with it being impossible. It was only a decade ago US regionals were paying crap wages that are now triple what they were.130 year one pay IMO is in the ball park of what would be reasonable year one pay, depending on the other aspects negotiated in the contract.

Corporations and government know raising the bar in Canada will be critical.

This country will turn onto Argentina if it does not correct its course. It was not long ago Argentina was prosperous, with a strong economy. A series of bad government decisions over and over again have really wrecked their economy.

Stop printing money
Make Canada productive and attractive to invest in.
Pay for and reward talent to stop the brain drain.
MCGA

[Tbayer2021]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Good luck. I’m afraid you are going to be severely disappointed. Name a company in Canada where employees got a 120% pay raise through negotiations. It’s just not realistic.

It always seems impossible right up until someone does it. I'm sure many said the same right before US regionals saw their pay double from one contract to the other.

[Goodman5]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Good luck. I’m afraid you are going to be severely disappointed. Name a company in Canada where employees got a 120% pay raise through negotiations. It’s just not realistic.

If you told any pilot over 20 years ago that in 2023 YR 1 FOs at AC would be making less then a YR 1 FO at Jazz… they’d say that’s just not realistic. See how that works?

[RippleRock]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Hold the line!

LOL! Great joke about a "unanimous board decision". April Fools Day is a little distant.

Here's one right from KoB....."you will get nothing you don't negotiate". As we haven't even tabled our wage expectations yet for "any" pilot subset, junior or senior, this "tidbit" seems a tad rediculous.



Good rumor though.

You bet we will have to "hold the line". We will get nothing otherwise.

[RippleRock]

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[RippleRock]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Good luck. I’m afraid you are going to be severely disappointed. Name a company in Canada where employees got a 120% pay raise through negotiations. It’s just not realistic.

Another dude who knows --nothing-- about the aviation market. Where are you guys coming from???

It's not remotely unrealistic in this environment. Just not probable unless it's actually negotiated, which it isn't.....YET.

[accountant]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Hold the line!

LOL - unanimously decided in a non public board meeting to double salaries and you're yelling hold the line?

Yeah, get your sources right.

Next thing you're going to tell us in the same meeting the same board magically fixed the broken and brutal IT systems, decided to reinstate free meals on domestic flights, no baggage fees, and offer free smiles from all staff to customers?

[RippleRock]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Hold the line!

LOL - unanimously decided in a non public board meeting to double salaries and you're yelling hold the line?

Yeah, get your sources right.

Next thing you're going to tell us in the same meeting the same board magically fixed the broken and brutal IT systems, decided to reinstate free meals on domestic flights, no baggage fees, and offer free smiles from all staff to customers?

You're sure a piece of work.

How about get off the Forum and back to your spreadsheets. Sheet-spreader.

[Chips&Pops]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Hold the line!

LOL - unanimously decided in a non public board meeting to double salaries and you're yelling hold the line?

Yeah, get your sources right.

Next thing you're going to tell us in the same meeting the same board magically fixed the broken and brutal IT systems, decided to reinstate free meals on domestic flights, no baggage fees, and offer free smiles from all staff to customers?

Why are you mad we will be getting the bag? Who hurt you lil bro?

Just as a reminder, trust me pal you're not that guy

[newlygrounded]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Hold the line!

LOL - unanimously decided in a non public board meeting to double salaries and you're yelling hold the line?

Yeah, get your sources right.

Next thing you're going to tell us in the same meeting the same board magically fixed the broken and brutal IT systems, decided to reinstate free meals on domestic flights, no baggage fees, and offer free smiles from all staff to customers?

Can someone ban this clown?

[flying4dollars]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Hold the line!

LOL - unanimously decided in a non public board meeting to double salaries and you're yelling hold the line?

Yeah, get your sources right.

Next thing you're going to tell us in the same meeting the same board magically fixed the broken and brutal IT systems, decided to reinstate free meals on domestic flights, no baggage fees, and offer free smiles from all staff to customers?

Can someone ban this clown?

Or, you know, just don't respond or entertain his or her post

[waterruddersup]

LOL - unanimously decided in a non public board meeting to double salaries and you're yelling hold the line?

Yeah, get your sources right.

Next thing you're going to tell us in the same meeting the same board magically fixed the broken and brutal IT systems, decided to reinstate free meals on domestic flights, no baggage fees, and offer free smiles from all staff to customers?

Can someone ban this clown?

Or, you know, just don't respond or entertain his or her post

Exactly. Enough with the cancel culture already.

[Jester123]

Air Canada senior execs want a "we give, you sacrifice" approach. I don't expect this will be an easy fight...

[genetic jack hammer]

Boys and gals get ready. Good things are coming. In a recent board meeting it was unanimously decided that the management understands how pathetic the WAWCON are at AC and are willing to take it to the next level. They want AC to be competitive and want to invest in the pilots. Expect $130k year 1 FO salary. There will be retroactive pay. Flat pay will be a thing of the past. AC cannot afford any disruptions in the winter sched and cannot have you guys go on strike.

Hold the line!

LOL - unanimously decided in a non public board meeting to double salaries and you're yelling hold the line?

Yeah, get your sources right.

Next thing you're going to tell us in the same meeting the same board magically fixed the broken and brutal IT systems, decided to reinstate free meals on domestic flights, no baggage fees, and offer free smiles from all staff to customers?

Can someone ban this clown?

Hang in there. Once the AC Pilots ratify, he/she will be M.I.A.

[M.Caribou]

I think if they have any hope of getting high time, experienced applicants they're going to have to do around 200.

[RippleRock]

LOL - unanimously decided in a non public board meeting to double salaries and you're yelling hold the line?

Yeah, get your sources right.

Next thing you're going to tell us in the same meeting the same board magically fixed the broken and brutal IT systems, decided to reinstate free meals on domestic flights, no baggage fees, and offer free smiles from all staff to customers?

Can someone ban this clown?

Hang in there. Once the AC Pilots ratify, he/she will be M.I.A.

Just my opinion, but there are far too many people on this forum taking this "self professed expert" Muppet seriously.

You'd almost think we had an inferiority complex that needs some form of self-reassurance. We need to justify our steadfastness to no one but ourselves. What they or anyone else "thinks" will have no bearing on the outcome.

Hold the Line.

[accountant]

Can someone ban this clown?

Hang in there. Once the AC Pilots ratify, he/she will be M.I.A.

Just my opinion, but there are far too many people on this forum taking this "self professed expert" Muppet seriously.

You'd almost think we had an inferiority complex that needs some form of self-reassurance. We need to justify our steadfastness to no one but ourselves. What they or anyone else "thinks" will have no bearing on the outcome.

Hold the Line.

Of course you don't need to justify it to anyone but yourselves.

Just like you have a right to your opinion, others have a right to a differing one as well. That is the difference in all of this discourse. You feel there is only one view (yours).

If you can't stand the heat, turn on the APU and get out of the cockpit.

[tbayav8er]

Year 1 A220 FO pay at Delta is $115/hr now. So I don't actually think 130k CAD is a stretch for us. That's the market we're in now.

[RippleRock]

Hang in there. Once the AC Pilots ratify, he/she will be M.I.A.

Just my opinion, but there are far too many people on this forum taking this "self professed expert" Muppet seriously.

You'd almost think we had an inferiority complex that needs some form of self-reassurance. We need to justify our steadfastness to no one but ourselves. What they or anyone else "thinks" will have no bearing on the outcome.

Hold the Line.

Of course you don't need to justify it to anyone but yourselves.

Just like you have a right to your opinion, others have a right to a differing one as well. That is the difference in all of this discourse. You feel there is only one view (yours).

If you can't stand the heat, turn on the APU and get out of the cockpit.

Did I strike a nerve Beeker? I've read nearly every post you've made.

Here's another opinion for you. Not worth the time.

[PositiveRate27]

Just my opinion, but there are far too many people on this forum taking this "self professed expert" Muppet seriously.

You'd almost think we had an inferiority complex that needs some form of self-reassurance. We need to justify our steadfastness to no one but ourselves. What they or anyone else "thinks" will have no bearing on the outcome.

Hold the Line.

Of course you don't need to justify it to anyone but yourselves.

Just like you have a right to your opinion, others have a right to a differing one as well. That is the difference in all of this discourse. You feel there is only one view (yours).

If you can't stand the heat, turn on the APU and get out of the cockpit.

Did I strike a nerve Beeker? I've read nearly every post you've made.

Here's another opinion for you. Not worth the time.

I’m still waiting for accountant to explain WestJet getting 6x his estimate, why they got such a high # and why he was so far off.