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[Happyflyer78]

969 line pilots at Jazz as of Nov 15. This is a company that had a 1700+ pilot seniority list after the SKV consolidation in early 2021. Not even sure if 969 pilots are enough to staff 80 fully utilized airframes. Either attrition is outpacing hiring or Jazz is simply intentionally migrating to becoming a much smaller operation.

My understanding is Jazz is already under 80 fins for pilot staffing levels. As I said before, they have until the end of the year to fix the situation, or they can kiss next summer goodbye. At this point, it looks like Jazz will be even smaller come 2024 summer, than 2023.

The outright refusal to properly address the issues is just staggering to me. And it isn't just about pay (thought that is a big part of it). People are burning out constantly working 18 days or more a month. But AC refused to address any quality of life issues when they came to us with their substandard offer in the summer. So here we are, 4 months later, smaller, and trending down.

The best part is, Jazz seems to be on an instructor hiring blitz, helping to create a supply issue in the pipeline. A lot of flight schools can't even find CFI's. I don't think Air Canada is even aware of how bad the situation is, and how they are helping to make the situation worse everyday.

It is like watching an accident in slow motion. Next summer should be truly amazing.

Why are flight instructors the more preferred experience of new hires?

[Inverted2]

Not really preferred but trainable for the most part and lower experience which is probably the reason so they can’t immediately jump over to another airline with >1000tt.

[Inverted2]

Also if you go to AC now and get put on the 220 you will basically be a Jazz pilot for less pay doing all the low credit busy 1hr hops that Jazz used to do like Chicago, Boston, NYC etc.

[Happyflyer78]

Not really preferred but trainable for the most part and lower experience which is probably the reason so they can’t immediately jump over to another airline with >1000tt.

With Canada in a recession there’s not many options to move. I’ve only had 1 interview offer from a 705 operator and that’s with close to 6000 hours of mostly King Air PIC.

[truedude]

969 line pilots at Jazz as of Nov 15. This is a company that had a 1700+ pilot seniority list after the SKV consolidation in early 2021. Not even sure if 969 pilots are enough to staff 80 fully utilized airframes. Either attrition is outpacing hiring or Jazz is simply intentionally migrating to becoming a much smaller operation.

My understanding is Jazz is already under 80 fins for pilot staffing levels. As I said before, they have until the end of the year to fix the situation, or they can kiss next summer goodbye. At this point, it looks like Jazz will be even smaller come 2024 summer, than 2023.

The outright refusal to properly address the issues is just staggering to me. And it isn't just about pay (thought that is a big part of it). People are burning out constantly working 18 days or more a month. But AC refused to address any quality of life issues when they came to us with their substandard offer in the summer. So here we are, 4 months later, smaller, and trending down.

The best part is, Jazz seems to be on an instructor hiring blitz, helping to create a supply issue in the pipeline. A lot of flight schools can't even find CFI's. I don't think Air Canada is even aware of how bad the situation is, and how they are helping to make the situation worse everyday.

It is like watching an accident in slow motion. Next summer should be truly amazing.

Why are flight instructors the more preferred experience of new hires?

I wouldn't say they are the preferred experience, so much as they are some of the last available that will still come to Jazz. If you have enough time to go to AC, and that is your goal, you won't come to Jazz. If you have lots of time and don't want to go to AC, you won't come to Jazz, as you can make more money elsewhere, have a better life to work balance, etc.

There is no one else left to hire. The actions of AC have ensured that no high time candidates will ever choose Jazz. AC has farmed out some of the Jazz flying to PAL, making everyone feel that AC will screw Jazz over whenever it is convenient for them (as they have a history of doing), making any future at Jazz look uncertain. It has been one disaster policy decision after another from AC, which has done nothing but cost them their regional network, and to a certain extension, mainline routes, as they need to cover regional flying.

[truedude]

Not really preferred but trainable for the most part and lower experience which is probably the reason so they can’t immediately jump over to another airline with >1000tt.

With Canada in a recession there’s not many options to move. I’ve only had 1 interview offer from a 705 operator and that’s with close to 6000 hours of mostly King Air PIC.

Every airline in Canada is hiring, even Flair ran a small GS in November. Perhaps it has nothing to with economic factors, but rather your own resume. With 6000 hrs, you should have been at an airline years ago. So I would suggest there is part of the story that isn't being told.

[Hysteria]

Not really preferred but trainable for the most part and lower experience which is probably the reason so they can’t immediately jump over to another airline with >1000tt.

With Canada in a recession there’s not many options to move. I’ve only had 1 interview offer from a 705 operator and that’s with close to 6000 hours of mostly King Air PIC.

WJ, AC, Porter, Transat etc won’t acknowledge you with that experience? That’s genuinely puzzling actually in this market.

[Ozinater]

Not really preferred but trainable for the most part and lower experience which is probably the reason so they can’t immediately jump over to another airline with >1000tt.

With Canada in a recession there’s not many options to move. I’ve only had 1 interview offer from a 705 operator and that’s with close to 6000 hours of mostly King Air PIC.

Every airline in Canada is hiring, even Flair ran a small GS in November. Perhaps it has nothing to with economic factors, but rather your own resume. With 6000 hrs, you should have been at an airline years ago. So I would suggest there is part of the story that isn't being told.

Probably this part:

As the title says... Where are the low timers going?

Likely to the local Loblaws. There is very little movement at the moment. I'm an example, 6000+ hrs king air captain trying to land 705 position.

[Happyflyer78]

Not really preferred but trainable for the most part and lower experience which is probably the reason so they can’t immediately jump over to another airline with >1000tt.

With Canada in a recession there’s not many options to move. I’ve only had 1 interview offer from a 705 operator and that’s with close to 6000 hours of mostly King Air PIC.

WJ, AC, Porter, Transat etc won’t acknowledge you with that experience? That’s genuinely puzzling actually in this market.

So far only Lynx has. I missed the interview and the recruitment team wouldn’t reschedule the interview.

[Hysteria]

With Canada in a recession there’s not many options to move. I’ve only had 1 interview offer from a 705 operator and that’s with close to 6000 hours of mostly King Air PIC.

WJ, AC, Porter, Transat etc won’t acknowledge you with that experience? That’s genuinely puzzling actually in this market.

So far only Lynx has. I missed the interview and the recruitment team wouldn’t reschedule the interview.

It’s just I know at least 5 guys with unbelievably less time than you getting hired at WJ in the past 6 months with let’s say sub 2K and some right at 1500. They came from 703/704.

[Happyflyer78]

WJ, AC, Porter, Transat etc won’t acknowledge you with that experience? That’s genuinely puzzling actually in this market.

So far only Lynx has. I missed the interview and the recruitment team wouldn’t reschedule the interview.

It’s just I know at least 5 guys with unbelievably less time than you getting hired at WJ in the past 6 months with let’s say sub 2K and some right at 1500. They came from 703/704.

Maybe that’s the experience they desired at the time. I’m not going to lie about my experience to get a position.

[Hysteria]

So far only Lynx has. I missed the interview and the recruitment team wouldn’t reschedule the interview.

It’s just I know at least 5 guys with unbelievably less time than you getting hired at WJ in the past 6 months with let’s say sub 2K and some right at 1500. They came from 703/704.

Maybe that’s the experience they desired at the time. I’m not going to lie about my experience to get a position.

I hear ya.

[CaptDukeNukem]

It’s just I know at least 5 guys with unbelievably less time than you getting hired at WJ in the past 6 months with let’s say sub 2K and some right at 1500. They came from 703/704.

Maybe that’s the experience they desired at the time. I’m not going to lie about my experience to get a position.

I hear ya.

You’re entertaining a troll.

[Hysteria]

Maybe that’s the experience they desired at the time. I’m not going to lie about my experience to get a position.

I hear ya.

You’re entertaining a troll.

Oh I see, thanks. So him, capt z and basically Keith d’mello so far is what I’ve gathered.

[CaptDukeNukem]

I hear ya.

You’re entertaining a troll.

Oh I see, thanks. So him, capt z and basically Keith d’mello so far is what I’ve gathered.

Lol. Yup. There’s more, but you're on the right track.

[Scoob]

For those wondering
11/21/2023

5 CRJ YVR
2 E175 YUL
1 E175 YYZ
6 Q400 YYC

[Nick678]

For those wondering
11/21/2023

5 CRJ YVR
2 E175 YUL
1 E175 YYZ
6 Q400 YYC

Nice of jazz to train some pilots for Porter

[kiaszceski]

For those wondering
11/21/2023

5 CRJ YVR
2 E175 YUL
1 E175 YYZ
6 Q400 YYC

Nice of jazz to train some pilots for Porter

Nobody cares anymore.

[yowflyer23]

I’m shocked there’s consistently so many YVR spots opening up for new hires. If you had no attachments to any city, which base/equipment combo would you pick and why?

[cdnavater]

I’m shocked there’s consistently so many YVR spots opening up for new hires. If you had no attachments to any city, which base/equipment combo would you pick and why?

Calgary Q400, the city and surrounding area is the most affordable base and the YYC RJ base is a question mark going forward but I believe it will always have a Q presence.

[Me262]

I’m shocked there’s consistently so many YVR spots opening up for new hires. If you had no attachments to any city, which base/equipment combo would you pick and why?

Whatever base you're at and whatever airframe you fly, you're paid the same. So why go to the most expensive city in the country when you can go to one of the cheapest. So YYC followed by YUL

[CaptDukeNukem]

For those wondering
11/21/2023

5 CRJ YVR
2 E175 YUL
1 E175 YYZ
6 Q400 YYC

Nice of jazz to train some pilots for Porter

Nobody cares anymore.

Porter still cares.

[yowflyer23]

I’m shocked there’s consistently so many YVR spots opening up for new hires. If you had no attachments to any city, which base/equipment combo would you pick and why?

Whatever base you're at and whatever airframe you fly, you're paid the same. So why go to the most expensive city in the country when you can go to one of the cheapest. So YYC followed by YUL

I would argue that YUL is cheaper overall. Don’t need a car there which would save a ton of cash.

[Hysteria]

I’m shocked there’s consistently so many YVR spots opening up for new hires. If you had no attachments to any city, which base/equipment combo would you pick and why?

Whatever base you're at and whatever airframe you fly, you're paid the same. So why go to the most expensive city in the country when you can go to one of the cheapest. So YYC followed by YUL

I would argue that YUL is cheaper overall. Don’t need a car there which would save a ton of cash.

I could be wrong, but last I checked, you will pay more provincial income tax in Quebec; however, if you're needing a vehicle in YYC, then I could see the case for Montreal.

[cdnavater]

Whatever base you're at and whatever airframe you fly, you're paid the same. So why go to the most expensive city in the country when you can go to one of the cheapest. So YYC followed by YUL

I would argue that YUL is cheaper overall. Don’t need a car there which would save a ton of cash.

I could be wrong, but last I checked, you will pay more provincial income tax in Quebec; however, if you're needing a vehicle in YYC, then I could see the case for Montreal.

To your point, just on the first year salary, in Alberta you would take home about 2700.00 more per year vs Quebec. Also, Calgary Transit is pretty good, unless you head out to Airdrie, you’d be fine without a car.