Are you vaccinated?

[47north]

The man is an idiot that trades on his family name.

He who cannot attack the reasoning attacks the reasoner.

Plenty more where this came from....

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid ... kennedy-jr

[deadbear]

Half of COVID-19 death rate differences explained by rates of elderly influenza vaccination and low vitamin D – April 2021
Low Vitamin D Status and Influenza Vaccination Rates are Positive Predictors of Early Covid-19 Related Deaths in Europe - A Modeling Approach
Preprint - not yet peer reviewed

https://vitamindwiki.com/Half+of+COVID- ... 5KR-v-ueP0

Objectives: To clarify the high variability in Covid-19 related deaths whose origin is unclear. Study Design： Modeling of available data

Methods: We used six individual- and country-specific variables to predict the number of population standardized Covid-19 related deaths in 44 European countries using generalized linear models: Percent test-standardized number of SARS-CoV-2-cases, population size, life expectancy, severity of governmental responses, influenza-vaccination coverage and vitamin D status in the elderly.

Results: We found that flu-vaccination coverage in the elderly was the most important predictor, together with test-standardized cases and vitamin D status explaining approximately 47% of the variation in Covid-19 related deaths. Higher flu vaccination coverage and low vitamin D status were associated with more Covid-19 related deaths. Life-expectancy, population size and the severity of governments’ responses to the outbreak did not emerge as significant predictors in multivariable modeling. The latter variable even appeared to be completely negligible.

Conclusion: Adequate vitamin D levels are important, while - contrary to current opinion - flu-vaccination in the elderly is a putative aggravating factor of Covid-19 related deaths.

Another interesting piece about skipping the flu shot and taking a Vitamin D supplement.

To download the study visit https://vitamindwiki.com/tiki-download_ ... download=y .

[CpnCrunch]

Half of COVID-19 death rate differences explained by rates of elderly influenza vaccination and low vitamin D – April 2021
Low Vitamin D Status and Influenza Vaccination Rates are Positive Predictors of Early Covid-19 Related Deaths in Europe - A Modeling Approach
Preprint - not yet peer reviewed

https://vitamindwiki.com/Half+of+COVID- ... 5KR-v-ueP0

Objectives: To clarify the high variability in Covid-19 related deaths whose origin is unclear. Study Design： Modeling of available data

Methods: We used six individual- and country-specific variables to predict the number of population standardized Covid-19 related deaths in 44 European countries using generalized linear models: Percent test-standardized number of SARS-CoV-2-cases, population size, life expectancy, severity of governmental responses, influenza-vaccination coverage and vitamin D status in the elderly.

Results: We found that flu-vaccination coverage in the elderly was the most important predictor, together with test-standardized cases and vitamin D status explaining approximately 47% of the variation in Covid-19 related deaths. Higher flu vaccination coverage and low vitamin D status were associated with more Covid-19 related deaths. Life-expectancy, population size and the severity of governments’ responses to the outbreak did not emerge as significant predictors in multivariable modeling. The latter variable even appeared to be completely negligible.

Conclusion: Adequate vitamin D levels are important, while - contrary to current opinion - flu-vaccination in the elderly is a putative aggravating factor of Covid-19 related deaths.

Another interesting piece about skipping the flu shot and taking a Vitamin D supplement.

To download the study visit https://vitamindwiki.com/tiki-download_ ... download=y .

deadbear, you're not really fan of science are you? The thing you posted said "preprint - not peer reviewed". There has actually been a study into vitamin D supplementation in covid, and they didn't make any difference:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2776738

The fact that patients with lower vitamin D status have worse COVID outcomes doesn't automatically mean that supplementing vitamin D will help.

Another interesting piece about skipping the flu shot and taking a Vitamin D supplement.

Nope.

[shimmydampner]

deadbear, you're not really fan of science are you? The thing you posted said "preprint - not peer reviewed". There has actually been a study into vitamin D supplementation in covid, and they didn't make any difference:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2776738

The fact that patients with lower vitamin D status have worse COVID outcomes doesn't automatically mean that supplementing vitamin D will help.

Looks like you're not much of a science guy yourself. Or maybe you're just into being disingenuous. The study you posted was regarding one mega-dose of vitamin D to people already hospitalized with covid and whether or not it reduced their time in hospital. I don't think anyone is suggesting that vitamin D can cure covid. There is a significant difference between maintaining adequate levels in order to have a robust immune response to fight an infection, and trying to supplement after the fact.

The fact that patients with lower vitamin D status have worse COVID outcomes doesn't automatically mean that supplementing vitamin D will help.

And nothing that you've posted indicates that supplementing with vitamin D to maintain appropriate levels might not help. In fact, there's quite a bit of evidence that vitamin D is quite important for proper immune function. And it's probably safe to assume that a strong immune response leads to better outcomes with covid, more often than not.

[CpnCrunch]

deadbear, you're not really fan of science are you? The thing you posted said "preprint - not peer reviewed". There has actually been a study into vitamin D supplementation in covid, and they didn't make any difference:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2776738

The fact that patients with lower vitamin D status have worse COVID outcomes doesn't automatically mean that supplementing vitamin D will help.

Looks like you're not much of a science guy yourself. Or maybe you're just into being disingenuous. The study you posted was regarding one mega-dose of vitamin D to people already hospitalized with covid and whether or not it reduced their time in hospital. I don't think anyone is suggesting that vitamin D can cure covid. There is a significant difference between maintaining adequate levels in order to have a robust immune response to fight an infection, and trying to supplement after the fact.

The fact that patients with lower vitamin D status have worse COVID outcomes doesn't automatically mean that supplementing vitamin D will help.

And nothing that you've posted indicates that supplementing with vitamin D to maintain appropriate levels might not help. In fact, there's quite a bit of evidence that vitamin D is quite important for proper immune function. And it's probably safe to assume that a strong immune response leads to better outcomes with covid, more often than not.

Vitamin D is obviously very important, but the point is there is no evidence that supplementation makes any difference to COVID. And certainly "skipping the flu shot and taking a Vitamin D supplement" isn't a very helpful statement.

Here is a review of vitamin D and viral infections:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3308600/

The gist is that supplementation is probably only helpful if you are deficient in the first place.

The studies into COVID just measure vitamin D status when the patient has COVID. But viral infections themselves affect vitamin D status, so we don't know whether these patients were actually deficient before COVID, or if the severe infection altered their vitamin D status. See this review for an explanation of how infections affect vitamin D status in the body:

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... infections

"Viral infections may further up‐regulate CYP27B1 by converting more circulating vitamin D to its active form and therefore synergize with vitamin D to induce cathelicidin at the site of infection or injury.8"

[shimmydampner]

Vitamin D is obviously very important, but the point is there is no evidence that supplementation makes any difference to COVID. And certainly "skipping the flu shot and taking a Vitamin D supplement" isn't a very helpful statement.

Certainly skipping the flu shot seems irrelevant to this discussion. And strictly speaking, there may be no evidence that supplementation of vitamin D makes any difference with regards to Covid. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it might not. Absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence, so to speak. Clearly there IS evidence that a lack of vitamin D is correlated with poor covid outcomes. Perhaps maintaining an appropriate level through supplementation might lead to better outcomes. You certainly can't say that it does not, based on what's been posted here.

[CpnCrunch]

Clearly there IS evidence that a lack of vitamin D is correlated with poor covid outcomes.

The evidence is that low vitamin D status in the body during a COVID infection (which viral infections themselves have an effect on) is correlated with poor outcomes to COVID.

Perhaps maintaining an appropriate level through supplementation might lead to better outcomes. You certainly can't say that it does not, based on
what's been posted here.

Perhaps, but the one and only RCT (that I'm aware of) shows it has no effect. So there's a lot of speculation there.

On a related note, for general health you are much better absorbing vitamin D from sunlight through your skin rather than supplementing. Supplementing has no effect on all-cause mortality, but high sun exposure results in 50% reduction in all cause mortality (including reduction in mortality from melanoma).

[2R]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 7523001075

Imagine that the tyrants were wrong . Those that advocated for Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin treatments were abused .
Will those that abused their positions of authority face any censure ?
700 million sick and seven million dead . Trust eroded in a medical system that was anything but scientific.
Absolute tyrants ignored good science to make money of a disease they created in a lab .
There needs to be a reckoning. Might I suggest they seize all the profits made from this man made disease and distribute them the victims families . And those people that funded those evil labs be thrown in a dungeon somewhere .

[JustaCanadian]

How many of the anti freedom convoy people now want a new convoy to get rid of Trudeau?

Only took a couple years extra for the staunch libs to figure out how terrible COVID policies were. Now everyone is paying for it, living in the most expensive, most divisive time I have seen. What’s the latest? Atlantic Canadians deserve a carbon tax break while the rest of Canadians don’t. And if we all want a break we should consider voting liberal? HA! What is the purpose of this carbon tax, clearly nothing to do with the environment! Liberals should be very ashamed of their leader, can’t believe he was elected last election.

Question for a liberal, why are so many liberals against carbon tax now?

[‘Bob’]

Imagine ascribing the rise in energy costs to a carbon tax that's small, predictable, and mostly rebated.. rather than global geopolitical events that are affecting left and right wing governments alike and plain old corporate greed.

Ask Suncor and Syncrude and Husky and Shell and Cenovus for a rebate.

Ask Loblaws and the Waltons and Jim Pattison and the Irving Company too while you're at it.

You really think that a multimillionaire who's never worked a day in his life outside of politics cares about you? Do you think he's going to have any original or productive ideas when he's no longer the comments section of a reddit post?

[rigpiggy]

How many of the anti freedom convoy people now want a new convoy to get rid of Trudeau?

Question for a liberal, why are so many liberals against carbon tax now?

Because it is an election losing issue. They are afraid of losing power. Not because they came to their senses

[kgb531]

The new convoy people are the old convoy people.
Nobody who voted for Trudeau has changed their vote because of covid or convoy decisions.

How many of the anti freedom convoy people now want a new convoy to get rid of Trudeau?

Only took a couple years extra for the staunch libs to figure out how terrible COVID policies were.

Question for a liberal, why are so many liberals against carbon tax now?

[rookiepilot]

How many of the anti freedom convoy people now want a new convoy to get rid of Trudeau?

Question for a liberal, why are so many liberals against carbon tax now?

Because it is an election losing issue. They are afraid of losing power. Not because they came to their senses

Power is all they seem to care about.

Leadership is sticking to your policies and having others follow.

[JustaCanadian]

The new convoy people are the old convoy people.
Nobody who voted for Trudeau has changed their vote because of covid or convoy decisions.

How many of the anti freedom convoy people now want a new convoy to get rid of Trudeau?

Only took a couple years extra for the staunch libs to figure out how terrible COVID policies were.

Question for a liberal, why are so many liberals against carbon tax now?

The science says otherwise.

[kgb531]

What science? Polling data?

The new convoy people are the old convoy people.
Nobody who voted for Trudeau has changed their vote because of covid or convoy decisions.

How many of the anti freedom convoy people now want a new convoy to get rid of Trudeau?

Only took a couple years extra for the staunch libs to figure out how terrible COVID policies were.

Question for a liberal, why are so many liberals against carbon tax now?

The science says otherwise.

[Reinhard]

Look
Basically I'm just not gonna get it (the vaccine)
I know... UGH I know......
Im' sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its just that Im not getting it is all
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
HAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHA