Direct entry captain Air Sprint.

[Skybomer]

When hired at Air Sprint as a direct entry Captain what is the starting year on salaries?
For example 6000 total time 5700 multi pic 2300 multi pic jet. Thx

[up on one]

AirSprint has a great hiring committee and their typical (successful) candidate is very resourceful. I wonder if their careers page has any information that may provide you with an answer.

[mmm...bacon]

Umm, let’s see: Google.com <click> AirSprint <click> Careers <click> <scroll> Pilot career Guide <click>

PAY SCALE
Pilots at AirSprint are paid according to their position and year of service. Every pilot starts at year 1 for their type and position
they have been hired for.

So Embraer

Year 14/14 Schedule 16/12 Schedule 18/10 Schedule
1 $ 123,250 $ 145,000 $ 163,125

Or Cessna

Year 14/14 Schedule 16/12 Schedule 18/10 Schedule
1 $ 114,750 $ 135,000 $ 151,875

Perhaps it’s negotiable, but that wouldn’t be fair to the people who are already there, and working their way up the ladder, so perhaps not?

[Canadaflyer46]

Don’t go to Air Sprint with that kinda experience. Not in this hiring market. Go get a real corporate gig that won’t work you like a rented mule with a ridiculous 25 year pay scale.

[Checkspeed]

When hired at Air Sprint as a direct entry Captain what is the starting year on salaries?
For example 6000 total time 5700 multi pic 2300 multi pic jet. Thx

Every DEC starts at year one on the 16/12 sched, so CJ $135k or EMB $145k. Once your training is complete you can bid to change to the 14/14 or 18/10 every 6 months. PM me if you have any other questions and I’ll try to answer best I can.

[Skybomer]

When hired at Air Sprint as a direct entry Captain what is the starting year on salaries?
For example 6000 total time 5700 multi pic 2300 multi pic jet. Thx

Every DEC starts at year one on the 16/12 sched, so CJ $135k or EMB $145k. Once your training is complete you can bid to change to the 14/14 or 18/10 every 6 months. PM me if you have any other questions and I’ll try to answer best I can.

If I read this correct and use the external pilot experience requirement numbers of 4000 hrs total 1000hrs PIC and ATPL as an example, a pilot who is with the company for let’s say two years is at a higher salary bracket then a new hire with experience numbers mentioned in the first post?
With the above experience as a DEC in todays market starting at year one salary and working like a “Mule” is a “JOKE”.

[digits_]

When hired at Air Sprint as a direct entry Captain what is the starting year on salaries?
For example 6000 total time 5700 multi pic 2300 multi pic jet. Thx

Every DEC starts at year one on the 16/12 sched, so CJ $135k or EMB $145k. Once your training is complete you can bid to change to the 14/14 or 18/10 every 6 months. PM me if you have any other questions and I’ll try to answer best I can.

If I read this correct and use the external pilot experience requirement numbers of 4000 hrs total 1000hrs PIC and ATPL as an example, a pilot who is with the company for let’s say two years is at a higher salary bracket then a new hire with experience numbers mentioned in the first post?
With the above experience as a DEC in todays market starting at year one salary and working like a “Mule” is a “JOKE”.

To be fair, every airline works like that as well. With the exception of a cost of living adjustment built into the pay scale of course.

[doobiedoo]

I am "dumber" for having read this "POST".

[Checkspeed]

When hired at Air Sprint as a direct entry Captain what is the starting year on salaries?
For example 6000 total time 5700 multi pic 2300 multi pic jet. Thx

Every DEC starts at year one on the 16/12 sched, so CJ $135k or EMB $145k. Once your training is complete you can bid to change to the 14/14 or 18/10 every 6 months. PM me if you have any other questions and I’ll try to answer best I can.

If I read this correct and use the external pilot experience requirement numbers of 4000 hrs total 1000hrs PIC and ATPL as an example, a pilot who is with the company for let’s say two years is at a higher salary bracket then a new hire with experience numbers mentioned in the first post?
With the above experience as a DEC in todays market starting at year one salary and working like a “Mule” is a “JOKE”.

Yes, someone with 2 years at the company would be 2 years ahead of you, regardless of your “hour difference”. I don’t think anyone has been hired into higher than year one on the scale, but I’m not management, best to get an interview and ask them directly.

[khedrei]

When hired at Air Sprint as a direct entry Captain what is the starting year on salaries?
For example 6000 total time 5700 multi pic 2300 multi pic jet. Thx

Every DEC starts at year one on the 16/12 sched, so CJ $135k or EMB $145k. Once your training is complete you can bid to change to the 14/14 or 18/10 every 6 months. PM me if you have any other questions and I’ll try to answer best I can.

If I read this correct and use the external pilot experience requirement numbers of 4000 hrs total 1000hrs PIC and ATPL as an example, a pilot who is with the company for let’s say two years is at a higher salary bracket then a new hire with experience numbers mentioned in the first post?
With the above experience as a DEC in todays market starting at year one salary and working like a “Mule” is a “JOKE”.

Interesting logic here.

If you hire at AC, WJ or any other airline with 10k hours do you get to start at a higher YOS than someone who has been there for several years even if they only have 1500 hours? Whether the company hires DEC or not is irrelevant. The YOS pay scale is pretty much the same across most companies. Your experience and your work ethic mean nothing in these environments. For better or worse, that's how these pay systems and union jobs work. Managed aircraft and private flight departments work differently obviously.

[Happyflyer78]

AirSprint has a great hiring committee and their typical (successful) candidate is very resourceful. I wonder if their careers page has any information that may provide you with an answer.

I take it you haven’t dealt with PL on the hiring committee. They didn’t get their position because of their professionalism or competency. Air Sprints website has these core values but management don’t have those qualities themselves.

[Checkspeed]

AirSprint has a great hiring committee and their typical (successful) candidate is very resourceful. I wonder if their careers page has any information that may provide you with an answer.

I take it you haven’t dealt with PL on the hiring committee. They didn’t get their position because of their professionalism or competency. Air Sprints website has these core values but management don’t have those qualities themselves.

Couldn’t be further from the truth.

[AirSprintInc]

AirSprint has a great hiring committee and their typical (successful) candidate is very resourceful. I wonder if their careers page has any information that may provide you with an answer.

I take it you haven’t dealt with PL on the hiring committee. They didn’t get their position because of their professionalism or competency. Air Sprints website has these core values but management don’t have those qualities themselves.

I am sorry you did not have a positive experience with us. I encourage you to contact me directly so that I can address any concerns you may have.

Matt Rolleman
Chief Pilot, C25A/B
mrolleman@airsprint.com

[thepoors]

When hired at Air Sprint as a direct entry Captain what is the starting year on salaries?
For example 6000 total time 5700 multi pic 2300 multi pic jet. Thx

Every DEC starts at year one on the 16/12 sched, so CJ $135k or EMB $145k. Once your training is complete you can bid to change to the 14/14 or 18/10 every 6 months. PM me if you have any other questions and I’ll try to answer best I can.

This is a lie. It's well known that the schedules are assigned according to "operational needs" or whatever bs they want to call it when they mean "understaffed." I know several guys who spent years at Air Sprint and never had the schedule they wanted nor the opportunity to bid. There are
those who are grandfathered into the 14/14 but no new hires are getting that.

Also goes without saying the 25 yr payscale is a bad joke. Barely keeps up with inflation let alone an actual "raise."

[Checkspeed]

When hired at Air Sprint as a direct entry Captain what is the starting year on salaries?
For example 6000 total time 5700 multi pic 2300 multi pic jet. Thx

Every DEC starts at year one on the 16/12 sched, so CJ $135k or EMB $145k. Once your training is complete you can bid to change to the 14/14 or 18/10 every 6 months. PM me if you have any other questions and I’ll try to answer best I can.

This is a lie. It's well known that the schedules are assigned according to "operational needs" or whatever bs they want to call it when they mean "understaffed." I know several guys who spent years at Air Sprint and never had the schedule they wanted nor the opportunity to bid. There are
those who are grandfathered into the 14/14 but no new hires are getting that.

Also goes without saying the 25 yr payscale is a bad joke. Barely keeps up with inflation let alone an actual "raise."

It’s not a lie at all, everyone starts on 16/12 and has the opportunity to bid to a different sched twice a year. That doesn’t mean you automatically get what you want, it’s based on seniority and there are only so many positions on each. You’re obviously posting on outdated information.
Everyone can bid once their training is complete.

Get your facts straight before boldly calling someone a liar. It speaks a lot to your character and is extremely unprofessional.

[thepoors]

Every DEC starts at year one on the 16/12 sched, so CJ $135k or EMB $145k. Once your training is complete you can bid to change to the 14/14 or 18/10 every 6 months. PM me if you have any other questions and I’ll try to answer best I can.

This is a lie. It's well known that the schedules are assigned according to "operational needs" or whatever bs they want to call it when they mean "understaffed." I know several guys who spent years at Air Sprint and never had the schedule they wanted nor the opportunity to bid. There are
those who are grandfathered into the 14/14 but no new hires are getting that.

Also goes without saying the 25 yr payscale is a bad joke. Barely keeps up with inflation let alone an actual "raise."

It’s not a lie at all, everyone starts on 16/12 and has the opportunity to bid to a different sched twice a year. That doesn’t mean you automatically get what you want, it’s based on seniority and there are only so many positions on each. You’re obviously posting on outdated information.
Everyone can bid once their training is complete.

Get your facts straight before boldly calling someone a liar. It speaks a lot to your character and is extremely unprofessional.

Shilling for a company on this forum with inaccurate info is unprofessional.

I'm getting my facts directly from Air Sprint pilots.

Up until very recently you couldn't change schedules, it was paused since covid due to "staffing." Even if you can bid every 6mos for a schedule change now, at least be truthful about the likelihood of a new hire (because that's who you were addressing) getting the schedule they want...which is zero.

[up on one]

My experience with AirSprint has been nothing but positive. Hands down the best company I’ve worked for. That being said, it was work! It was challenging in many ways and very fulfilling. The biggest reason I feel this way is because from day 1 they are black and white on the expectations from both parties.

Now I’ve been doing some reading lately on correlation vs causation. Simply put the people who complain about AirSprint were the pilots who couldn’t upgrade. They go about complaining about how unfair life is and then you find out said person didn’t read the notams and flew into restricted airspace. Now I’m not sure if this is the reason but it seems like there’s a strong correlation.

AirSprint is a challenging place to work and does not have the resources to hold the hands of their captains. They have professional expectations of their professional pilots and hold them accountable.

I would give my first born child to work with Paul and Matt again!

Day 1 you are on the 16/12. Day 1, if the 18/10 or 14/14 is available you will get it. Rant over!

[digits_]

I would give my first born child to work for Paul and Matt again!

Why aren't you working for them anymore then?

[AirSprintInc]

To clarify a few points;

- Direct Entry Captains would start at year one on the appropriate fleet Captain scale.

- The 14/14 schedule was paused for about 9 months while we addressed a significant crewing shortfall on the CJ fleet due to the growth we experienced through and post Covid. While we are still not at the crewing numbers we would like to see, we have made significant improvements in that area and the 14/14 schedule is now once again an option on the CJ fleet. Through this period the 18/10 and rotational schedules remained an option for pilots that wanted it.

- Alternative schedules (14/14, 18/10, and the 3 rotational schedule options) are decided twice per year by a bid which is decided by seniority. Outside of that bid, a pilot may choose to switch schedules, provided it is available, at any time. If a particular pilot did not receive their preferred schedule it is likely because they did not have the seniority hold it. As the company continues to grow, we are able to add in more positions on the alternative schedules.

- Of the pilots currently on the 14/14, the lowest seniority captain is at roughly 2.5 years with the company, the lowest seniority FO has 2 years with us with positions open for the FOs on all fleets. So, yes, a new hire FO could have the 14/14 following completion of their line indoc training if they so choose.

Matt Rolleman

[up on one]

Why aren't you working for them anymore then?

An opportunity presented itself that I elected to pursue.

[twa22]

My experience with AirSprint has been nothing but positive.Hands down the best company I’ve worked for. That being said, it was work! It was challenging in many ways and very fulfilling. The biggest reason I feel this way is because from day 1 they are black and white on the expectations from both parties.

Now I’ve been doing some reading lately on correlation vs causation. Simply put the people who complain about AirSprint were the pilots who couldn’t upgrade. They go about complaining about how unfair life is and then you find out said person didn’t read the notams and flew into restricted airspace. Now I’m not sure if this is the reason but it seems like there’s a strong correlation.

AirSprint is a challenging place to work and does not have the resources to hold the hands of their captains. They have professional expectations of their professional pilots and hold them accountable.

I would give my first born child to work with Paul and Matt again!

Day 1 you are on the 16/12. Day 1, if the 18/10 or 14/14 is available you will get it. Rant over!

Why aren't you working for them anymore then?

An opportunity presented itself that I elected to pursue.

I'm not here to bash Air Sprint, could frankly care less, but you sound quite a bit contradictory... if it was the best place you ever worked at, why not go back?

[up on one]

My apologies, I could have communicated it better. It “was” the best place I’ve worked. “Was” is very much the key word here.

…and to avoid the oh you’re a shill for speaking positively loop about a company I will say the salary structure is made to attract pilots especially on the cj. In my opinion, it seems they expect pilots to finish two years on the cj and leave or stay at the company and move on to the legacy. The legacy pay is the lowest in all of Canada by at least 30 grand. That is not taking into consideration that they work at least 3 times as much as any other super mid pilot in Canada

[digits_]

I would give my first born child to work with Paul and Matt again!

I will say the salary structure is made to attract pilots especially on the cj. In my opinion, it seems they expect pilots to finish two years on the cj and leave or stay at the company and move on to the legacy. The legacy pay is the lowest in all of Canada by at least 30 grand. That is not taking into consideration that they work at least 3 times as much as any other super mid pilot in Canada

You don't place much value on your first born child, do you?

[Minimums]

My apologies, I could have communicated it better. It “was” the best place I’ve worked. “Was” is very much the key word here.

…and to avoid the oh you’re a shill for speaking positively loop about a company I will say the salary structure is made to attract pilots especially on the cj. In my opinion, it seems they expect pilots to finish two years on the cj and leave or stay at the company and move on to the legacy. The legacy pay is the lowest in all of Canada by at least 30 grand. That is not taking into consideration that they work at least 3 times as much as any other super mid pilot in Canada

Can’t wait to see what their large cabin type renumeration will be…

Sub $160?

We taking bets now or later?

[Canadaflyer46]

Are they getting large cabin jets? I must have missed that news. It will for sure be over 160, but that calls for a 35 year payscale!