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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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If the company actually cared about image, they'd get us a uniform that's actually well made and nice to look at. Not throw a temper tantrum over lanyards.

Maybe someone knows the contract, don't they have to pay pilots to come in for meetings? If so trying to reprimand 5000 pilots would sound expensive, since everyone is entitled to a meeting with their representatives. How many hours paid out would that be? Millions of dollars?
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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We are running at 50% OTP and literally have disabled people dragging themselves off airplanes! A national embarrassment!! Yet the executives are more concerned about what lanyards the pilots wear! It should be apparent to all that they have lost control and are in panic mode.

Reaching a deal with the pilots ASAP would be in their best interest but we all know they will do everything in their power to blow holes in their feet. This company was losing $20M/day during covid when all aircraft were grounded and thousands laid off. What's the daily burn when pilots set the park brake on a fully operational airline? Goodbye quarterly profit!

Are their heads up their asses? Has there not been enough recent examples of unions going on strike and winning? Do they think we're bluffing?!!

Wear your goddamn lanyard!!
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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IKEA_Monkey wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:33 pm We are running at 50% OTP and literally have disabled people dragging themselves off airplanes! A national embarrassment!! Yet the executives are more concerned about what lanyards the pilots wear! It should be apparent to all that they have lost control and are in panic mode.

Reaching a deal with the pilots ASAP would be in their best interest but we all know they will do everything in their power to blow holes in their feet. This company was losing $20M/day during covid when all aircraft were grounded and thousands laid off. What's the daily burn when pilots set the park brake on a fully operational airline? Goodbye quarterly profit!

Are their heads up their asses? Has there not been enough recent examples of unions going on strike and winning? Do they think we're bluffing?!!

Wear your goddamn lanyard!!
One has to wonder what's going on in our "head shed" when the CEO's of American carriers are taking a "polar opposite" approach to dealing with their pilots and moving their corporations forward strongly and profitably. It couldn't be more different. Down south they are praising the cooperative nature of their agreements and rewarding their pilots nicely. Up here they nit-pic, delay and deny. We remain, by far, the worst compensated Legacy on the continent. We know it and they know it.

There is no way the Corp is getting away scott-free on this deal. We will not stand by naval gazing while our American counterparts absolutely -thrash us- in the Wacon department for the exact same work. There has to be some form of delusional detachment going on if they think this will continue.

Interesting strategy with the lanyards, but we all know it will end only one way.......more unity. The more they nit-pic and irritate us, the stronger we become.

HOLD THE LINE
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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Well said pilots!!
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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RippleRock wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:56 pm
We are running at 50% OTP and literally have disabled people dragging themselves off airplanes! A national embarrassment!! Yet the executives are more concerned about what lanyards the pilots wear! It should be apparent to all that they have lost control and are in panic mode.

Interesting strategy with the lanyards, but we all know it will end only one way.......more unity. The more they nit-pic and irritate us, the stronger we become.

HOLD THE LINE
I expect Ill get crapped on a little for saying this but meh;

So ya, Im happy enough with the response but I see it as a huge missed opportunity as well.

Why not have rented a couple red busses, big ones, maybe the hop on hop off one in Toronto, they are red. This one ↙️.

Plaster RED World Class Contract banners all over it then fill it with AC Pilots with Red World Class Signs and Red World Class Lanyards picketing at YYZ. Alert every news outlet, influencer, travel writer, etc.

Hold a press conference explaining the action, and how we want to help Air Canada be the best but these are the things we are forced to deal with from our high powered executives.

Discipline one of us, discipline all of us.

They would think twice next time.
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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GeoffPilot wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:44 pm Pretty clear message from our tenacious MEC Chair...

WEAR YOUR WORLD CLASS CONTRACT LANYARD

Shills are now easily identifiable
Shills is a strong word.
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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alkaseltzer wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:33 pm
GeoffPilot wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:44 pm Pretty clear message from our tenacious MEC Chair...

WEAR YOUR WORLD CLASS CONTRACT LANYARD

Shills are now easily identifiable
Shills is a strong word.
Does it make you nervous?

Better be wearing that lanyard
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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Alkasultzer wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:47 pm
alkaseltzer wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:33 pm
GeoffPilot wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:44 pm Pretty clear message from our tenacious MEC Chair...

WEAR YOUR WORLD CLASS CONTRACT LANYARD

Shills are now easily identifiable
Shills is a strong word.
Does it make you nervous?

Better be wearing that lanyard
Ah yes, the impersonator.

I guess you're the type of guy to pee on someone's leg next to a urinal if they aren't wearing a lanyard. #thuglife
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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alkaseltzer wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:08 pm
Alkasultzer wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:47 pm
alkaseltzer wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:33 pm Shills is a strong word.
Does it make you nervous?

Better be wearing that lanyard
Ah yes, the impersonator.

I guess you're the type of guy to pee on someone's leg next to a urinal if they aren't wearing a lanyard. #thuglife
I guess you're the type of guy not to wear the lanyard your union is telling you to wear

#shilllife
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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Need more red lanyards distributed. Did a turn the other day, between that and my commute I saw one.... Mine!
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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Airbusses wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 4:48 am Need more red lanyards distributed. Did a turn the other day, between that and my commute I saw one.... Mine!
Ya, that's the AC Pilot way. Very ACPAish. Lots of talk the talk, we are talk the talk experts.

MEC missed a great opportunity as well regarding lanyards, I touched on that back a page or two.

I see we are getting a Professional Standards Committee. Another late and poorly delivered initiative. I touched on that earlier as well.

And yes I know, lots of pilots at the picket. Pickets don't vote.

Only a 90% open rate of the last MEC Email. Add what another 15% barely hanging on in the interested department, then entice one faction within the group to vote YES and viola,..

Our battle cries: Keep our powder dry and, when they go low, we take high road.

Ive seen this movie.
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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Army of one wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:49 am
Airbusses wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 4:48 am Need more red lanyards distributed. Did a turn the other day, between that and my commute I saw one.... Mine!
Our battle cries: Keep our powder dry and, when they go low, we take high road.

Ive seen this movie.
Don’t forget the old classics:
We’ll get them next time.
We had to capture the work.
This contract sells itself.
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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Gents (etal),

from a post Cathay point of view, lanyards did F*ck all, and our sh*t committee never managed to turn back the first offer.

The only marginal success that was achieved came when we scared them.

Seeing how much you all fight and bicker here, I reckon you're going down the CX path.

Only walking out works.

Our flight attendants did that and had great victories.

Don't take the first offer, or the second. There is always something that can be made better.. even something as stupid and 2 J class confirmed passes a year...or all hotels must offer free express laundry on lay overs.. the company can negotiate that with vendor for no cost to them, but saves you $$..

My two cents...
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Re: Wear your goddamn lanyard!

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Needswork2020 wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:21 am Gents (etal),

from a post Cathay point of view, lanyards did F*ck all, and our sh*t committee never managed to turn back the first offer.

The only marginal success that was achieved came when we scared them.

Seeing how much you all fight and bicker here, I reckon you're going down the CX path.

Only walking out works.

Our flight attendants did that and had great victories.

Don't take the first offer, or the second. There is always something that can be made better.. even something as stupid and 2 J class confirmed passes a year...or all hotels must offer free express laundry on lay overs.. the company can negotiate that with vendor for no cost to them, but saves you $$..

My two cents...
Agreed.

This group had better get it's shit together, and fast. This is a once in a career opportunity to "right past wrongs", correct the course. What we do over the next four months will have downline reverberations that will echo thought your entire career.

ACT LIKE A UNION...

....or prepare yourselves to PAY THE PRICE. It will be steep. Want an apartment that you own in YVR or YYZ? Do you want to retire comfortably, do you want to spend "most" of your month away from home while your Spouse raises your kids for you? Do you want comparable buying power to what we once had 20 years ago? How about training within your block month? How about proper daily credit for a 30 hour layover?

You're going to have to EARN every improvement. I won't feel one bit sympathetic toward a group that rolls over. You will deserve everything you get, or don't get.

I've got 6ish years to go, but my objective is to instill a sense of pride and respect back into a profession that sorely needs it. I can't do it alone, no one can.

This is your future much more so than it is mine.

FIGURE IT OUT.
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