Yes. even with the reduction in MMG, it amounts to a decent sized raise. Gains have been made. All pilots will see increases in pay, not decreases.braaap Braap wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:27 amYa the MMG sliding from 85 to 80 to 75 feels like a two edged sword. Sure your guarantee is lower (for mortgages, lending, etc) but once staffing improves itll be easier to get in the window and until then you’ll get straight time above MMG so the only ones who will feel the decrease are those unable to grow their blockscjp wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:41 ambB is right on min guarantee. There is opportunity for OT in both seats, I would imagine people are going to do much better than the min guarantee other than for the 2-3 months of ground and sim training.braaap Braap wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:47 am
New pay rates were effective Aug 1st. 1st pay check that will have this will be end of August. Guessing ~2k/check take home.
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With the amount of metal hitting the ramp plus route growth, I feel like that's not going to be an issue (being consistently at MMG).braaap Braap wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:27 amYa the MMG sliding from 85 to 80 to 75 feels like a two edged sword. Sure your guarantee is lower (for mortgages, lending, etc) but once staffing improves itll be easier to get in the window and until then you’ll get straight time above MMG so the only ones who will feel the decrease are those unable to grow their blockscjp wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:41 ambB is right on min guarantee. There is opportunity for OT in both seats, I would imagine people are going to do much better than the min guarantee other than for the 2-3 months of ground and sim training.braaap Braap wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:47 am
New pay rates were effective Aug 1st. 1st pay check that will have this will be end of August. Guessing ~2k/check take home.
I don't think we're catching up with staffing any time soon - even with a decent benchmark.
And as CDN said....interesting avatar, just realized that...it's a raise even at MMG, life is bueno. I would imagine once FOs hit the tarmac post training, semi month paystubs are going to be clearing 3k with the voluntary OT. YR 2 and 3 look much better.
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When is the new payscale with increase salary gonna be? Current pay is shit
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I hope you spend at least as much time talking to people as you do trolling the internet. Say hi to your mother for me.
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How much is first year pay on Dash?
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Flightlevel.fyi - I think the fellow developing that website is still updating some payscales, but that should give you a pretty good indicator. Don't look at the totals as they seem to be inaccurate.
Do the math yourself to verify at 75 MMG per month.
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Thank Youcjp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:36 amFlightlevel.fyi - I think the fellow developing that website is still updating some payscales, but that should give you a pretty good indicator. Don't look at the totals as they seem to be inaccurate.
Do the math yourself to verify at 75 MMG per month.
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These are the old hourly rates prior to the new rates in August.cjp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:36 amFlightlevel.fyi - I think the fellow developing that website is still updating some payscales, but that should give you a pretty good indicator. Don't look at the totals as they seem to be inaccurate.
Do the math yourself to verify at 75 MMG per month.
Q400 hourly rate starts at $72 year 1, at 75 hours MMG.
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Yeah - the moderator for that site is 1 payscale out currently.Wayans wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:46 pmThese are the old hourly rates prior to the new rates in August.
Q400 hourly rate starts at $72 year 1, at 75 hours MMG.
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On pilotcareer center Porter advertises a different pay scale for porter E2 pilots than the one mentioned above:
Captain year one 190$ hourly rate...up to 270$ after 12 years....???
Captain year one 190$ hourly rate...up to 270$ after 12 years....???
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This pay comparison graph isn’t accurate. For example, year 1 CA at Transat is $190.26, ranging to $262.22 for year 11.
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Interesting. Did Transat implement that recently? This pay scale comparison was published in late July.hsilgnepilot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:03 pmThis pay comparison graph isn’t accurate. For example, year 1 CA at Transat is $190.26, ranging to $262.22 for year 11.
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Porter has a habit of using the TS narrow body scale as a comparison, which has not existed in a few years.PropDog wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:25 amInteresting. Did Transat implement that recently? This pay scale comparison was published in late July.hsilgnepilot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:03 pmThis pay comparison graph isn’t accurate. For example, year 1 CA at Transat is $190.26, ranging to $262.22 for year 11.
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Well it makes our benchmarks look better by comparison haha.flyinhigh wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:55 pmPorter has a habit of using the TS narrow body scale as a comparison, which has not existed in a few years.PropDog wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:25 amInteresting. Did Transat implement that recently? This pay scale comparison was published in late July.hsilgnepilot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:03 pm
This pay comparison graph isn’t accurate. For example, year 1 CA at Transat is $190.26, ranging to $262.22 for year 11.
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What is the max amount of days worked at TS?
What gets lost a lot in comparing pay scales is the days worked. I believe Porter is 12 days off a month while other’s large airlines do max 16 days worked.
So say you’re a reserve pilot in a 31 day month you could end up working up to 15% more at Porter while making making around the same as your counterparts. I may be wrong as I really only have second or third hand info on Porter but from the outside it seems like their competitive salary may not be so.
What gets lost a lot in comparing pay scales is the days worked. I believe Porter is 12 days off a month while other’s large airlines do max 16 days worked.
So say you’re a reserve pilot in a 31 day month you could end up working up to 15% more at Porter while making making around the same as your counterparts. I may be wrong as I really only have second or third hand info on Porter but from the outside it seems like their competitive salary may not be so.
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Air Canada and WestJet are both 18 days a month for full block reserve.
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Only company that has 16 days is WJ. TS is 12 days off, Encore is 12 days off, etc.YC87DRVR wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:28 am What is the max amount of days worked at TS?
What gets lost a lot in comparing pay scales is the days worked. I believe Porter is 12 days off a month while other’s large airlines do max 16 days worked.
So say you’re a reserve pilot in a 31 day month you could end up working up to 15% more at Porter while making making around the same as your counterparts. I may be wrong as I really only have second or third hand info on Porter but from the outside it seems like their competitive salary may not be so.
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AC is max 16 work days for NB blockholder.flyinhigh wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:35 amOnly company that has 16 days is WJ. TS is 12 days off, Encore is 12 days off, etc.YC87DRVR wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:28 am What is the max amount of days worked at TS?
What gets lost a lot in comparing pay scales is the days worked. I believe Porter is 12 days off a month while other’s large airlines do max 16 days worked.
So say you’re a reserve pilot in a 31 day month you could end up working up to 15% more at Porter while making making around the same as your counterparts. I may be wrong as I really only have second or third hand info on Porter but from the outside it seems like their competitive salary may not be so.
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Correct.rudder wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:32 amAC is max 16 work days for NB blockholder.flyinhigh wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:35 amOnly company that has 16 days is WJ. TS is 12 days off, Encore is 12 days off, etc.YC87DRVR wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:28 am What is the max amount of days worked at TS?
What gets lost a lot in comparing pay scales is the days worked. I believe Porter is 12 days off a month while other’s large airlines do max 16 days worked.
So say you’re a reserve pilot in a 31 day month you could end up working up to 15% more at Porter while making making around the same as your counterparts. I may be wrong as I really only have second or third hand info on Porter but from the outside it seems like their competitive salary may not be so.