Transat-Porter joint venture

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https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/a ... 71194.html

[Old fella]

Great news. From what I have been hearing from associates who used services of both airlines, each offers a distinct quality product.

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That's wonderful!

[accountant]

Great news for both passengers and crews.

More competition to AC and WS.

And more options to avoid grumpy AC crews

[cdnavater]

Great news for both passengers and crews.

More competition to AC and WS.

And more options to avoid grumpy AC crews

What will you do when a Porter crew cancels a flight due to duty restrictions and seem to be happy about it, will you troll them for making too much, it’s rhetorical, we all know the answer now.
You really are a petty person, very immature and I find doubt that a person who achieved an accountant degree is that childish!
Also a rational person would realize that without the entire picture they couldn’t possibly be so certain of what they perceived to be the situation.
Did you hear them say the words, if we take our time we can cancel the flight?
If I was walking up to an aircraft and saw no one there to load the bags and 15 minutes to depart or we can’t, I would immediately realize it wasn’t happening no matter what I did, the fact you can’t see this has me question your intelligence?

[cdnavater]

This seems like it will benefit both companies, good luck, sincerely!

[MikasaAckerman]

This is great news for Canadian travelers like me. The joint venture between Air Transat and Porter will create a more robust and extensive network, offering more options and better connectivity. pokedoku

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This is great news for Canadian travelers like me. The joint venture between Air Transat and Porter will create a more robust and extensive network, offering more options and better connectivity. pokedoku

100% access to both networks now when booking on either platform.

[accountant]

Great news for both passengers and crews.

More competition to AC and WS.

And more options to avoid grumpy AC crews

What will you do when a Porter crew cancels a flight due to duty restrictions and seem to be happy about it, will you troll them for making too much, it’s rhetorical, we all know the answer now.
You really are a petty person, very immature and I find doubt that a person who achieved an accountant degree is that childish!
Also a rational person would realize that without the entire picture they couldn’t possibly be so certain of what they perceived to be the situation.
Did you hear them say the words, if we take our time we can cancel the flight?
If I was walking up to an aircraft and saw no one there to load the bags and 15 minutes to depart or we can’t, I would immediately realize it wasn’t happening no matter what I did, the fact you can’t see this has me question your intelligence?

Highly unlikely to see them do that anytime soon as their schedule is programmed with ample buffers with. Fleet is underutilized.

And if they did, I’d hope they wouldn’t do it in the same way the aC crew did multiple times that I saw

[co-joe]

So, is this the end of the agreement between Transat and WestJet or does this just mean Porter just got in bed with WestJet?

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So, is this the end of the agreement between Transat and WestJet or does this just mean Porter just got in bed with WestJet?

The Westjet deal is still on but it's very limited compared to the Porter one. I don't think there is any access to the Westjet side from the Porter platform but I could be mistaken.

[rudder]

75 E-jets for Porter. Seems like Porter/Transat are shaping up like a 3rd Major carrier for Canada. TS already dwarfs WJ in European overseas capacity.

The market in Canada isn’t big enough for the announced capacity. Yields will decline. Somebody will be flying more empty seats.

Wonder who it will be?

[fish4life]

I think this is probably the best move for both companies allowing them to leverage each others strengths. The only concern I’d have is scope for either company and what happens if down the road with that.

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I think this is probably the best move for both companies allowing them to leverage each others strengths. The only concern I’d have is scope for either company and what happens if down the road with that.

We don't fly the same routes besides the tiny bit of domestic we do to move planes around and service smaller markets, often seasonally. TS scope is pretty straightforward and this joint venture shouldn't affect it. TS is refocussing growth on long range point to point where we are exclusive, for the most part.

[fish4life]

I think this is probably the best move for both companies allowing them to leverage each others strengths. The only concern I’d have is scope for either company and what happens if down the road with that.

We don't fly the same routes besides the tiny bit of domestic we do to move planes around and service smaller markets, often seasonally. TS scope is pretty straightforward and this joint venture shouldn't affect it. TS is refocussing growth on long range point to point where we are exclusive, for the most part.

Not yet but what happens on a route that TS might be currently flying down south to a spot in Cuba let’s say but instead Porter starts doing it ?
On the flip side for Porter guys with zero scope essentially what happens on heavy domestic routes if TS starts doing them ?

I think overall both companies are stronger as a result of this but I’m thinking further down the line in a few years it could get interesting.

[slob driver]

I think this is probably the best move for both companies allowing them to leverage each others strengths. The only concern I’d have is scope for either company and what happens if down the road with that.

We don't fly the same routes besides the tiny bit of domestic we do to move planes around and service smaller markets, often seasonally. TS scope is pretty straightforward and this joint venture shouldn't affect it. TS is refocussing growth on long range point to point where we are exclusive, for the most part.

Not yet but what happens on a route that TS might be currently flying down south to a spot in Cuba let’s say but instead Porter starts doing it ?
On the flip side for Porter guys with zero scope essentially what happens on heavy domestic routes if TS starts doing them ?

I think overall both companies are stronger as a result of this but I’m thinking further down the line in a few years it could get interesting.

Usually JV's are written to contractually share flying 50/50 in some way, shape or form. That being said, it seems there are three companies involved in this JV- TS, Porter turboprop corporation and Porter jet corporation. Lots of questions on how this all looks from the pilot angle. One thing I will say, I'd be a lot more comfortable being the TRZ pilots with ALPA on property. I'm sure the MEC is talking to the company about what this looks like vis a vis scope. They are a seasoned MEC. The Porter pilots have very few rights under the code regarding scope.
Take it from a WJ pilot, this is where access to ALPA is worth its weight in gold. Seeing how Porter pilots talk about their growth reminds me of WJ in '06 when we had explosive growth. Why do we need a union? We are growing like a weed. Upgrades, hiring etc. etc. Fast forward to 2017 to the Swoop debacle. If only we had the foresight to certify earlier, scope would have been solid long before Swoop was started.
If I'm a Porter pilot, I would be very nervous as to what the future holds medium to long term. From the outside, it already looks like a certification would be 2 bargaining units versus one. The potential whipsaw is already sprouting. This JV is another big reason for all Porter pilots to think long and hard about unionizing.

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Hi guys,instaup
Our flight routes differ significantly, except for occasional domestic flights primarily utilized for repositioning aircraft and catering to smaller markets, usually on a seasonal basis. The scope of TS remains fairly direct, and this collaboration should not interfere with its operations. TS is strategically shifting its expansion efforts towards long-distance, direct routes where we hold a predominant position for the most part.

Nice one, first post by slightly changing my post. Must be nice to have all that time on your hands.

[cdnavater]

Hi guys,instaup
Our flight routes differ significantly, except for occasional domestic flights primarily utilized for repositioning aircraft and catering to smaller markets, usually on a seasonal basis. The scope of TS remains fairly direct, and this collaboration should not interfere with its operations. TS is strategically shifting its expansion efforts towards long-distance, direct routes where we hold a predominant position for the most part.

Nice one, first post by slightly changing my post. Must be nice to have all that time on your hands.

I reported Elizabeth as possible AI

[accountant]

We don't fly the same routes besides the tiny bit of domestic we do to move planes around and service smaller markets, often seasonally. TS scope is pretty straightforward and this joint venture shouldn't affect it. TS is refocussing growth on long range point to point where we are exclusive, for the most part.

Not yet but what happens on a route that TS might be currently flying down south to a spot in Cuba let’s say but instead Porter starts doing it ?
On the flip side for Porter guys with zero scope essentially what happens on heavy domestic routes if TS starts doing them ?

I think overall both companies are stronger as a result of this but I’m thinking further down the line in a few years it could get interesting.

Usually JV's are written to contractually share flying 50/50 in some way, shape or form. That being said, it seems there are three companies involved in this JV- TS, Porter turboprop corporation and Porter jet corporation. Lots of questions on how this all looks from the pilot angle. One thing I will say, I'd be a lot more comfortable being the TRZ pilots with ALPA on property. I'm sure the MEC is talking to the company about what this looks like vis a vis scope. They are a seasoned MEC. The Porter pilots have very few rights under the code regarding scope.
Take it from a WJ pilot, this is where access to ALPA is worth its weight in gold. Seeing how Porter pilots talk about their growth reminds me of WJ in '06 when we had explosive growth. Why do we need a union? We are growing like a weed. Upgrades, hiring etc. etc. Fast forward to 2017 to the Swoop debacle. If only we had the foresight to certify earlier, scope would have been solid long before Swoop was started.
If I'm a Porter pilot, I would be very nervous as to what the future holds medium to long term. From the outside, it already looks like a certification would be 2 bargaining units versus one. The potential whipsaw is already sprouting. This JV is another big reason for all Porter pilots to think long and hard about unionizing.

I don't think this will impact either org much as far as Pilots are concerned unless it results in a reduction of flying. I think you'll see PD focus more on the domestic and transborder leisure, and Transat focus on the TATL and Sun traffic. If interconnectability from a booking / etc perspective is simple it means more options for the consumer.

TS could potentially (if their birds had the distance / etc) add more routes, Hawaii from the west, etc on top of their current ones, and PD would add more east/west connectivity.

JV's are often like you suggest (revenue share) instead of code-share where the OC provides the lift and the rest of the carriers sell the seats.

AC and United did some routes like this for TB. I believe they may have had (or still have) a few with LH as well.

[CaptDukeNukem]

We don't fly the same routes besides the tiny bit of domestic we do to move planes around and service smaller markets, often seasonally. TS scope is pretty straightforward and this joint venture shouldn't affect it. TS is refocussing growth on long range point to point where we are exclusive, for the most part.

Not yet but what happens on a route that TS might be currently flying down south to a spot in Cuba let’s say but instead Porter starts doing it ?
On the flip side for Porter guys with zero scope essentially what happens on heavy domestic routes if TS starts doing them ?

I think overall both companies are stronger as a result of this but I’m thinking further down the line in a few years it could get interesting.

Usually JV's are written to contractually share flying 50/50 in some way, shape or form. That being said, it seems there are three companies involved in this JV- TS, Porter turboprop corporation and Porter jet corporation. Lots of questions on how this all looks from the pilot angle. One thing I will say, I'd be a lot more comfortable being the TRZ pilots with ALPA on property. I'm sure the MEC is talking to the company about what this looks like vis a vis scope. They are a seasoned MEC. The Porter pilots have very few rights under the code regarding scope.
Take it from a WJ pilot, this is where access to ALPA is worth its weight in gold. Seeing how Porter pilots talk about their growth reminds me of WJ in '06 when we had explosive growth. Why do we need a union? We are growing like a weed. Upgrades, hiring etc. etc. Fast forward to 2017 to the Swoop debacle. If only we had the foresight to certify earlier, scope would have been solid long before Swoop was started.
If I'm a Porter pilot, I would be very nervous as to what the future holds medium to long term. From the outside, it already looks like a certification would be 2 bargaining units versus one. The potential whipsaw is already sprouting. This JV is another big reason for all Porter pilots to think long and hard about unionizing.

Cool, so it took you guys 11 years to figure that out. And another 2 to certify. Let us ride the good times for at least a third of that. But I will accept your warning and will proceed with caution. Cheers mate.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Hi guys,instaup
Our flight routes differ significantly, except for occasional domestic flights primarily utilized for repositioning aircraft and catering to smaller markets, usually on a seasonal basis. The scope of TS remains fairly direct, and this collaboration should not interfere with its operations. TS is strategically shifting its expansion efforts towards long-distance, direct routes where we hold a predominant position for the most part.

100% ChatGPT.

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AI might be smart, but no pilot talks like this. Use that algorithm better, or be gone.

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Hi guys,instaup
Our flight routes differ significantly, except for occasional domestic flights primarily utilized for repositioning aircraft and catering to smaller markets, usually on a seasonal basis. The scope of TS remains fairly direct, and this collaboration should not interfere with its operations. TS is strategically shifting its expansion efforts towards long-distance, direct routes where we hold a predominant position for the most part.

Nice one, first post by slightly changing my post. Must be nice to have all that time on your hands.

I reported Elizabeth as possible AI

Thanks

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Hi guys,instaup
Our flight routes differ significantly, except for occasional domestic flights primarily utilized for repositioning aircraft and catering to smaller markets, usually on a seasonal basis. The scope of TS remains fairly direct, and this collaboration should not interfere with its operations. TS is strategically shifting its expansion efforts towards long-distance, direct routes where we hold a predominant position for the most part.

100% ChatGPT.

Edit :

AI might be smart, but no pilot talks like this. Use that algorithm better, or be gone.

ChatGPT generally doesn't talk in the 'we' perspective.

Let the witch hunt begin!

[RippleRock]

So you potentially have an AI issue, or someone who's using it, and "accountant" or "acountant" or "acccountant" who is a known Troll and $hit disturber adding their nonsensical, useless bafflegab.

This thread is already doomed.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Hi guys,instaup
Our flight routes differ significantly, except for occasional domestic flights primarily utilized for repositioning aircraft and catering to smaller markets, usually on a seasonal basis. The scope of TS remains fairly direct, and this collaboration should not interfere with its operations. TS is strategically shifting its expansion efforts towards long-distance, direct routes where we hold a predominant position for the most part.

100% ChatGPT.

Edit :

AI might be smart, but no pilot talks like this. Use that algorithm better, or be gone.

ChatGPT generally doesn't talk in the 'we' perspective.

Let the witch hunt begin!

Soon we will have to use biometrics to be in aviation discussions.

Wait? Are you in uniform? You’re fine to take your 750mL of holy water, or post on avcanada.