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That would be hilarious if AC management actually did that. I would gladly volunteer to be fired for wearing a red lanyard while on probation to be made an example of. That would be extremely short sighted and show such poor decision making by management. Could you imagine how much it would further infuriate an already pissed off pilot group? And guaranteed any pilot let go for wearing a red lanyard during probation would reinstated by the end of contract negotiations. I think a fearful mentality of AC management is exactly why the contract has become so dog shit from decades of concessions and has dragged down standards for our entire industry.PostmasterGeneral wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:36 amThe red one? Yep. The blue one? No. Don’t underestimate the lengths this place is willing to go to in order to set an example.daedalusx wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:10 amDo you really believe AC would fire a new hire for wearing an ALPA lanyard?PostmasterGeneral wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:57 am Lots and lots of guys still on probation too that aren’t wearing the new lanyards.
That being said, the title and original post reek of someone trying to troll.
Not trying to propagate the fear, however AC would not fire you for wearing a red lanyard, they could however look for anything else to hand their hat on. AC has a very long probation, it’s a long time to be on your best behaviour, don’t underestimate the vindictiveness of managementfixnfly wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:09 pmThat would be hilarious if AC management actually did that. I would gladly volunteer to be fired for wearing a red lanyard while on probation to be made an example of. That would be extremely short sighted and show such poor decision making by management. Could you imagine how much it would further infuriate an already pissed off pilot group? And guaranteed any pilot let go for wearing a red lanyard during probation would reinstated by the end of contract negotiations. I think a fearful mentality of AC management is exactly why the contract has become so dog shit from decades of concessions and has dragged down standards for our entire industry.PostmasterGeneral wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:36 amThe red one? Yep. The blue one? No. Don’t underestimate the lengths this place is willing to go to in order to set an example.
Ripple in all fairness I do not have a red lanyard yet as I have not had the opportunity to meet any P2P guys nor attend any info pickets due to schedule/personal obligations. But to say that guys like me who can't do something as small as wear the red lanyard, won't do what needs to be done come picket or other is absurd. I am willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with all my brothers and sisters if and when that time comes as much as the next pilot and a lanyard, while I still wear the blue one, isn't going to determine that for me. I am not the only one. I have only flown with one individual who is against the movement. That's a pretty good indication of unity if you ask me.RippleRock wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:47 am NOT ONE person will be penalized for wearing the RED lanyard. It is the Union's right to display it.
As long as it isn't offensive, the Corp has ZERO case against it. Listen to your MEC CHAIR. Negotiations are going on right now. DO AS YOU'RE TOLD. Pick up the rope and pull.
Do your share.
If you aren't prepared to do something as small as wear the red lanyard, you can be damn sure you won't be doing what needs doing come time to strike....and it IS coming.
Why didn't they just mail one to every member anyway?
flying4dollars wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:11 amRipple in all fairness I do not have a red lanyard yet as I have not had the opportunity to meet any P2P guys nor attend any info pickets due to schedule/personal obligations. But to say that guys like me who can't do something as small as wear the red lanyard, won't do what needs to be done come picket or other is absurd. I am willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with all my brothers and sisters if and when that time comes as much as the next pilot and a lanyard, while I still wear the blue one, isn't going to determine that for me. I am not the only one. I have only flown with one individual who is against the movement. That's a pretty good indication of unity if you ask me.RippleRock wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:47 am NOT ONE person will be penalized for wearing the RED lanyard. It is the Union's right to display it.
As long as it isn't offensive, the Corp has ZERO case against it. Listen to your MEC CHAIR. Negotiations are going on right now. DO AS YOU'RE TOLD. Pick up the rope and pull.
Do your share.
If you aren't prepared to do something as small as wear the red lanyard, you can be damn sure you won't be doing what needs doing come time to strike....and it IS coming.
RippleRock wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:21 am
I'm not buying what you're selling.
The first red lanyards were available 10 weeks ago at the YYZ picket on the 29th of September. That means that for no less than 10 weeks, people have had the opportunity to get one. Most people wearing one have an extra one in their bag, just ask. Every Union rep has multiple.....haven't seen a single Union rep in 10 weeks? Really? Sending a message to any rep that you want one will have one in your mail slot in two days.
Sorry, not buying this "excuse"........If you don't have a red lanyard by now, 10 weeks in, you're sending a message to your brothers and sisters who are wearing one........, AND the company.
Do us a favor if you're not going to step up.......don't get in the way of those of us who do.
I think your timeline is off… I don’t think anyone got the red lanyards at the YYZ picket… more likely YUL on Oct 30. I didn’t get mine until mid November, as I happened to run into an FO I’d worked with a few times who’s on P2P, and happened to have one to give (and only one!).RippleRock wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:21 amflying4dollars wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:11 amRipple in all fairness I do not have a red lanyard yet as I have not had the opportunity to meet any P2P guys nor attend any info pickets due to schedule/personal obligations. But to say that guys like me who can't do something as small as wear the red lanyard, won't do what needs to be done come picket or other is absurd. I am willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with all my brothers and sisters if and when that time comes as much as the next pilot and a lanyard, while I still wear the blue one, isn't going to determine that for me. I am not the only one. I have only flown with one individual who is against the movement. That's a pretty good indication of unity if you ask me.RippleRock wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:47 am NOT ONE person will be penalized for wearing the RED lanyard. It is the Union's right to display it.
As long as it isn't offensive, the Corp has ZERO case against it. Listen to your MEC CHAIR. Negotiations are going on right now. DO AS YOU'RE TOLD. Pick up the rope and pull.
Do your share.
If you aren't prepared to do something as small as wear the red lanyard, you can be damn sure you won't be doing what needs doing come time to strike....and it IS coming.
I'm not buying what you're selling.
The first red lanyards were available 10 weeks ago at the YYZ picket on the 29th of September. That means that for no less than 10 weeks, people have had the opportunity to get one. Most people wearing one have an extra one in their bag, just ask. Every Union rep has multiple.....haven't seen a single Union rep in 10 weeks? Really? Sending a message to any rep that you want one will have one in your mail slot in two days.
Sorry, not buying this "excuse"........If you don't have a red lanyard by now, 10 weeks in, you're sending a message to your brothers and sisters who are wearing one........, AND the company.
Do us a favor if you're not going to step up.......don't get in the way of those of us who do.
I never wear lanyards usually; only the use a metal clip. I hate lanyards. HOWEVER, during these negotiations, I am wearing my ALPA lanyard.
This is false. The union was handing out blue alpa lanyards at the Toronto picket. Red ones weren't available to anyone at that time.RippleRock wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:21 am
I'm not buying what you're selling.
The first red lanyards were available 10 weeks ago at the YYZ picket on the 29th of September.
lucky37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:40 amI never wear lanyards usually; only the use a metal clip. I hate lanyards. HOWEVER, during these negotiations, I am wearing my ALPA lanyard.
It does matter, to show solidarity. I can only assume that someone who is not wearing a lanyard does not care enough to overcome a slight inconvenience to themselves. I would have zero confidence in those individuals fighting for me or others.
I hope you take back everything you lost plus interest boys.Rooster69 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 2:43 pmlucky37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:40 amI never wear lanyards usually; only the use a metal clip. I hate lanyards. HOWEVER, during these negotiations, I am wearing my ALPA lanyard.
It does matter, to show solidarity. I can only assume that someone who is not wearing a lanyard does not care enough to overcome a slight inconvenience to themselves. I would have zero confidence in those individuals fighting for me or others.
Ditto. Hate them, but wearing a red one now. Every little bit helps.
lolCol. Panic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:42 am I believe the word you’re looking for is “serfs” not “surfs”.
Colonel,Col. Panic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:42 am I believe the word you’re looking for is “serfs” not “surfs”.