Reserve out of base

[tryingtohide]

Hello,

If you are on reserve can the company make you go to another base for the reserve period? For example if you're on reserve in YVR for 4 days can they make you operate out of YYZ for those 4 days?

Thanks!

[CaptDukeNukem]

Hello,

If you are on reserve can the company make you go to another base for the reserve period? For example if you're on reserve in YVR for 4 days can they make you operate out of YYZ for those 4 days?

Thanks!

Yes.

[tryingtohide]

Hello,

If you are on reserve can the company make you go to another base for the reserve period? For example if you're on reserve in YVR for 4 days can they make you operate out of YYZ for those 4 days?

Thanks!

Yes.

Thanks for the straight forward answer!

[co-joe]

Hello,

If you are on reserve can the company make you go to another base for the reserve period? For example if you're on reserve in YVR for 4 days can they make you operate out of YYZ for those 4 days?

Thanks!

They can and are. We have pilots being sent all over the country to cover reserve shifts for other bases at the moment. Hopefully it's just a seasonal thing.

[Hangry]

I really hope for your crews the duty time associated with that pathetic nonsense is being tracked and accounted for.

God help your crews if something happens and it’s not.

[Hangry]

Nice edit co-jo. Did Canada’s head SCAB email you?

If anyone was wondering he said crews were on reserve the whole time they were on layover. Specifically Cancun.

God you’re such a shill.

Go Flair!

Merry Christmas

[CaptDukeNukem]

Also, love how tbaylx hasn’t posted anything since Oct. Reserve on layovers?….. wow. Someone must have more to say about this.

[cdnavater]

Also, love how tbaylx hasn’t posted anything since Oct. Reserve on layovers?….. wow. Someone must have more to say about this.

Yes, Flair is doing its part to help Porter find pilots too;)

[braaap Braap]

Also, love how tbaylx hasn’t posted anything since Oct. Reserve on layovers?….. wow. Someone must have more to say about this.

I think it was explained in the pay thread that the reserve during a layover is there because their NavBlue cant award credit properly for all day layovers. Its just to give proper credit, theyre not actually on reserve.

[lament]

Crew are absolutely on reserve during CUN layovers.

And the reason navblue can't award a min 4cr/day is because if they told it to do that, it would actually do it, instead of following management's ridiculous interpretation of what a calendar day is.

[ColonelKlink]

Also, love how tbaylx hasn’t posted anything since Oct. Reserve on layovers?….. wow. Someone must have more to say about this.

I think it was explained in the pay thread that the reserve during a layover is there because their NavBlue cant award credit properly for all day layovers. Its just to give proper credit, theyre not actually on reserve.

In the same meeting they said "we need to put res in there to credit it at 4 hours" and then said "we are also introducing away from base reserve to help with coverage in cun", and then emails came out strongly discouraging us from leaving the hotel when in Mexico, and then memos came out about communicating via teams on our iPads when we're away from base out of the country because some pilots rightfully refuse to pay for a phone plan that covers every country we might possible fly to, and then they realislzed were short staffed in yyz so for Christmas some lucky guys from out west get to sit in a Toronto airport hotel on reserve. Make no mistake reserve away from base is very much something they're trying to force on us.

Now if they just set navblue up to actually pay us 4 hours min credit per calendar day they wouldn't need to throw that reserve shift in there, the system would just give us 4 credits per day. But that would mean properly crediting us for a red eye. Can't do that.

Merry Christmas. Time to put down the phone and spend the day with the family. Cheers.

[mmm...bacon]

A ‘Calendar Day’ is (or should be) from 00:00 to 23:59, or from 00:01 to 24:00, no? How can this be monkeyed with?

[Smilin' Jack]

Management said they never intended to follow a calendar day for either duty or pay purposes. Our Red-eye turn flights are considered one duty day (not two calendar days) unless you call in sick. Then the company is deducting two sick days. This results in most crews being underpaid 3 hours for every red eye turn (ie, min. daily guarantee of 4 hours not being applied for one of the days).

Reserve is being done out of base. People are definitely being called and having to operate on 90 minutes notice from Cancun and multiple other bases.

[braaap Braap]

Wow. That would be infuriating. Sorry you all have to wrestle that horse back into the barn

[co-joe]

Management said they never intended to follow a calendar day for either duty or pay purposes. Our Red-eye turn flights are considered one duty day (not two calendar days) unless you call in sick. Then the company is deducting two sick days. This results in most crews being underpaid 3 hours for every red eye turn (ie, min. daily guarantee of 4 hours not being applied for one of the days).

Reserve is being done out of base. People are definitely being called and having to operate on 90 minutes notice from Cancun and multiple other bases.

Unless you book off sick, then a calendar day applies to a red eye and they take two sick days from you.

Honestly Hangry or whatever user name you're logged in to today, if you're going to resort to calling me names I'll just add this user name to the foe list like the rest of them and ignore you from here on out.

[cdnavater]

Management said they never intended to follow a calendar day for either duty or pay purposes. Our Red-eye turn flights are considered one duty day (not two calendar days) unless you call in sick. Then the company is deducting two sick days. This results in most crews being underpaid 3 hours for every red eye turn (ie, min. daily guarantee of 4 hours not being applied for one of the days).

Reserve is being done out of base. People are definitely being called and having to operate on 90 minutes notice from Cancun and multiple other bases.

The funny thing about this, at most companies that I know of, pay is based on duty period, so these red eyes would be the same credit at Jazz but with Flair paying like a duty period but deducting two calendar days if sick, an arbitrator would look at this an apply the calendar day for pay purposes also.
You guys need to get your union on this first thing when they are in office, I honestly don’t understand why the current reps can’t or won’t do anything, you seem like you’re currently not represented.

[Maurice]

Management said they never intended to follow a calendar day for either duty or pay purposes. Our Red-eye turn flights are considered one duty day (not two calendar days) unless you call in sick. Then the company is deducting two sick days. This results in most crews being underpaid 3 hours for every red eye turn (ie, min. daily guarantee of 4 hours not being applied for one of the days).

Reserve is being done out of base. People are definitely being called and having to operate on 90 minutes notice from Cancun and multiple other bases.

The funny thing about this, at most companies that I know of, pay is based on duty period, so these red eyes would be the same credit at Jazz but with Flair paying like a duty period but deducting two calendar days if sick, an arbitrator would look at this an apply the calendar day for pay purposes also.
You guys need to get your union on this first thing when they are in office, I honestly don’t understand why the current reps can’t or won’t do anything, you seem like you’re currently not represented.

I think I'd focus on finding new employment instead of working with the union on this piece of pay. I can't fathom how they've held on for this long and can't see them making it through 2024, especially with Porter adding an irrational amount of capacity in such a short timeframe. Everyone is losing right now, but Flair has the worst balance sheet and will ultimately be the biggest loser.

[digits_]

Wow. That would be infuriating. Sorry you all have to wrestle that horse back into the barn

It's a great tactic to piss people off and get them to leave so you don't have to pay them any severance if you're expecting layoffs...

[compilot]

This is just one more straw on the camels back. I know a bunch of guys who have employment offers in hand, just waiting to give their notice and I also know of at least one pilot with no where to go, who quit on the spot over Christmas. It’s not looking so good at the moment.

[Michel Myers]

Yeah sure you do. Unprofessional pilots like yourself constantly airing your airlines dirty laundry on an open forum why won’t you just leave

[cdnavater]

Yeah sure you do. Unprofessional pilots like yourself constantly airing your airlines dirty laundry on an open forum why won’t you just leave

Well, since there’s no one in the union office to air it out, what do you propose, the old suck it up buttercup approach!

[Michel Myers]

[quote="Michel Myers" post_id=<a href="tel:1292863">1292863</a> time=<a href="tel:1703795343">1703795343</a> user_id=103090]
Yeah sure you do. Unprofessional pilots like yourself constantly airing your airlines dirty laundry on an open forum why won’t you just leave

Well, since there’s no one in the union office to air it out, what do you propose, the old suck it up buttercup approach!
[/quote]

This I agree with the union is absolutely MIA and have probably checked out. We have a new MEC starting in the new year I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now…but take the absolutely valid issues to the proper channels not a public forum. It really does show a level of immaturity in my opinion anyway. There are enough trolls from other airlines on this site hoping for flairs demise, they absolutely eat it up when a flair pilot provides them with more ammo for their narratives.

[cdnavater]

[quote="Michel Myers" post_id=<a href="tel:1292863">1292863</a> time=<a href="tel:1703795343">1703795343</a> user_id=103090]
Yeah sure you do. Unprofessional pilots like yourself constantly airing your airlines dirty laundry on an open forum why won’t you just leave

Well, since there’s no one in the union office to air it out, what do you propose, the old suck it up buttercup approach!

This I agree with the union is absolutely MIA and have probably checked out. We have a new MEC starting in the new year I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now…but take the absolutely valid issues to the proper channels not a public forum. It really does show a level of immaturity in my opinion anyway. There are enough trolls from other airlines on this site hoping for flairs demise, they absolutely eat it up when a flair pilot provides them with more ammo for their narratives.
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I won’t argue your troll comment, they exist but what are the proper channels absent a union rep to file a grievance. The company is taking liberties with the language in the contract. Honestly, one day for duty, clear violation but two days if your sick, reserve in CUN and whatever else. This is the stuff pilots need to know before applying and Flair is creating their own problems by what they are doing.
No idea if what was said is true but a pilot quitting without another job says a lot! I have done it, you only consider this if it’s real bad and even then, I was quitting for 6 months before I actually did, took that long with a decent market at the time. I had three job offers within two days of quitting and five more calls that week.
That being said, this pilot will have a hard time explaining why unless it was for safety reasons, employers won’t appreciate they were violating the contract as a valid reason.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Management said they never intended to follow a calendar day for either duty or pay purposes. Our Red-eye turn flights are considered one duty day (not two calendar days) unless you call in sick. Then the company is deducting two sick days. This results in most crews being underpaid 3 hours for every red eye turn (ie, min. daily guarantee of 4 hours not being applied for one of the days).

Reserve is being done out of base. People are definitely being called and having to operate on 90 minutes notice from Cancun and multiple other bases.

The funny thing about this, at most companies that I know of, pay is based on duty period, so these red eyes would be the same credit at Jazz but with Flair paying like a duty period but deducting two calendar days if sick, an arbitrator would look at this an apply the calendar day for pay purposes also.
You guys need to get your union on this first thing when they are in office, I honestly don’t understand why the current reps can’t or won’t do anything, you seem like you’re currently not represented.

I think I'd focus on finding new employment instead of working with the union on this piece of pay. I can't fathom how they've held on for this long and can't see them making it through 2024, especially with Porter adding an irrational amount of capacity in such a short timeframe. Everyone is losing right now, but Flair has the worst balance sheet and will ultimately be the biggest loser.

Irrational? You mean making strong business decisions based on the poor performance and withdrawal from certain markets from other airlines? Porter’s not losing. Porter is also not ULCC unlike what other’s think.

[Maurice]

The funny thing about this, at most companies that I know of, pay is based on duty period, so these red eyes would be the same credit at Jazz but with Flair paying like a duty period but deducting two calendar days if sick, an arbitrator would look at this an apply the calendar day for pay purposes also.
You guys need to get your union on this first thing when they are in office, I honestly don’t understand why the current reps can’t or won’t do anything, you seem like you’re currently not represented.

I think I'd focus on finding new employment instead of working with the union on this piece of pay. I can't fathom how they've held on for this long and can't see them making it through 2024, especially with Porter adding an irrational amount of capacity in such a short timeframe. Everyone is losing right now, but Flair has the worst balance sheet and will ultimately be the biggest loser.

Irrational? You mean making strong business decisions based on the poor performance and withdrawal from certain markets from other airlines? Porter’s not losing. Porter is also not ULCC unlike what other’s think.

Yes, irrational, and yes, losing. Find me another example of an airline adding this many aircraft in this short a time frame successfully. And in this environment as well. With terrible utilization and relatively low load factors they have I'd bet my next 10 years pay that they will lose money on the E jets this year and unless multiple carriers go away it won't be getting better for a long time. Domestic yields are the worst, you know, where they are mostly exposed. And now to add places like MCO which is overserved as well isn't helping - there are 7 carriers on Toronto Orlando with capacity up about 25% vs pre pandemic! Not sustainable, yet with the delivery rate they're going to have to keep adding capacity to already overserved markets, there's only so much backfilling of the void WestJet left especially with business travel likely to stay lower for the foreseeable future.