2023 earnings

[slob driver]

Every year on Airline Pilot Central, there is a thread with total earnings for pilots. I thought I would start one here so pilots in Canada know what their counterparts around our country are making. Transparency between pilots will only help us all.

Year 12 WestJet 737 Captain. Live in base. Did one day of overtime. Had a little flight release for union work, so my actual hard flying hours are lower than they would normally be.

Total straight time base pay(including sick time and vacation)- $263,000
Premium (overtime)- $1350
Company portion of Savings plan (resistered/non-registeed/TFSA) - $35,200
Collective Agreement retro payment- $16,500
Taxable benefits (Parking/life ins. etc)- $1215
Profit Share- $6900
Total taxable income- $324,165
Per diems/dry cleaning- $5100
Hours flown 310
Annual credits-942

[flyingcanuck]

Year 1 Flat Pay AC
1 year of employment

Everything is rounded obv..

Base pay - $52,000
Premium (overtime)- $500 (I think I've done 1 day of OT)
ESOP- $4600
Per diems- $8000
Total taxable income- $54000
Total "gross" paid- $65000 (so including perdiems and other expenses)
Pension- $3300

Drum roll please... Total Net $43000

[PropDog]

Porter Dash 8 Training Captain, year 2 scale.

Rounded

Base pay: 80500.00
Overtime pay: 2800.00
Trainer premium: 5300.00 (this is for approximately 30 days of training)
Overnight stipend: 400.00
Tipping allowance: 480.00
Per diems: 10500.00
Performance bonus: 935.00
Paid leave: 1100.00

Total gross: 130000.00

[PropDog]

Year 1 Flat Pay AC
1 year of employment

Everything is rounded obv..

Base pay - $52,000
Premium (overtime)- $500 (I think I've done 1 day of OT)
ESOP- $4600
Per diems- $8000
Total taxable income- $54000
Total "gross" paid- $65000 (so including perdiems and other expenses)
Pension- $3300

Drum roll please... Total Net $43000

Air Canadas smallest airplane weighs twice what mine does and if I went over there today my gross pay would be cut in half. Man that hurts.
I don’t want to be one to just swoop in and benefit off ALPAs hard work but man I just cannot afford that pay cut. It’s too much.
I really hope you guys get the big win you deserve. Good on you for fighting the good fight.

[Me262]

Year 1 Flat Pay AC
1 year of employment

Everything is rounded obv..

Base pay - $52,000
Premium (overtime)- $500 (I think I've done 1 day of OT)
ESOP- $4600
Per diems- $8000
Total taxable income- $54000
Total "gross" paid- $65000 (so including perdiems and other expenses)
Pension- $3300

Drum roll please... Total Net $43000

Air Canadas smallest airplane weighs twice what mine does and if I went over there today my gross pay would be cut in half. Man that hurts.
I don’t want to be one to just swoop in and benefit off ALPAs hard work but man I just cannot afford that pay cut. It’s too much.
I really hope you guys get the big win you deserve. Good on you for fighting the good fight.

He's a year 1 FO, you're a captain, training captain even. Not really comparing apples with apples

[PropDog]

Year 1 Flat Pay AC
1 year of employment

Everything is rounded obv..

Base pay - $52,000
Premium (overtime)- $500 (I think I've done 1 day of OT)
ESOP- $4600
Per diems- $8000
Total taxable income- $54000
Total "gross" paid- $65000 (so including perdiems and other expenses)
Pension- $3300

Drum roll please... Total Net $43000

Air Canadas smallest airplane weighs twice what mine does and if I went over there today my gross pay would be cut in half. Man that hurts.
I don’t want to be one to just swoop in and benefit off ALPAs hard work but man I just cannot afford that pay cut. It’s too much.
I really hope you guys get the big win you deserve. Good on you for fighting the good fight.

He's a year 1 FO, you're a captain, training captain even. Not really comparing apples with apples

It’s absolutely comparing apples to apples because if I went to Air Canada tomorrow I’d be getting hired as a…. Year 1 FO. Not a direct entry training captain.

It’s not like Air Canada is hiring inexperienced pilots. Until recently they preferentially hired people with 705 PIC and training/checking experience. It’s a pretty excessive pay cut.

[PropDog]

BUT I will concede that that comparison is based on me working a loooot of OT and him not so it’s not exactly a 50% pay cut. Still. 65k for an experienced pilot to fly right seat on a transport category jet is big sad man. Big sad for us all

[fish4life]

Just an FYI exact T4 earnings can be used to identify to the CRA as a possible security question so it’s best to round off numbers.

[PropDog]

Just an FYI exact T4 earnings can be used to identify to the CRA as a possible security question so it’s best to round off numbers.

Oh man, good call. Thanks for that Fish

[ant_321]

Year 5 Captain at Sunwing.

Base pay - $171 200
Overtime - $64 000
Vacation excess pay - $3500
Deployment allocation - $15 500
Per diem and other allowances - $3100

Total - $257 300

I didn’t include my company RRSP match. I’m usually not much of an OT guy but I’m still digging out from covid so I’ve been taking a fair bit. About half of the OT I’ve taken have resulted in my being removed from another day so I still didn’t work too much. Averaged 11 days per month for the year.

[CaptDukeNukem]

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[rookiepilot]

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Shades of

[fliter]

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I disagree. I think it can give people a much better picture of the state of the industry and individual companies than just a dry payscale.

[flyingcanuck]

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No its not, this is an anonymous forum. It provides approximate data, similar to glassdoor or other review sites.

[altiplano]

AC 737 CA

Top Scale
DB pension
No overtime.
Try to work the minimum.
74 operating legs
320 flying hours.

Gross: $252K

[cdnavater]

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Hey CaptDuke,
I’ll show you mine, if you show me yours, lol

[Hysteria]

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I get what you mean, totally get it, however, this transparency is actually helpful for junior guys like myself trying to make the correct moves.

Also,

Class 3 instructor
22K gross
400 hours in 12 months
Had to work another job of course.

[fliter]

Junior Porter Q CA

Total $160K, of which about $90K is base pay, $40K is overtime and the rest is per diems, allowances (dry cleaning, transportation etc) and premiums for committees/tasks/projects.

[cdnavater]

This thread is beer league hockey shower room. Dude,what does mine say? Sweet.. what does mine say! Dude. What does mine say.

Keep swinging your dicks, tips soon be a’touching.

I get what you mean, totally get it, however, this transparency is actually helpful for junior guys like myself trying to make the correct moves.

Also,

Class 3 instructor
22K gross
400 hours in 12 months
Had to work another job of course.

Wow, with a shortage of instructors, I would have thought the pay would have gone up.
That works out to 55/hr of logged time, how many hours would you say you worked doing ground instruction or walk around or whatever else they assigned to you?

[cdnavater]

Jazz top scale training
21% increase in September, looking forward to next year.
175K, includes:
OT 2100.00(2 single day at old pay, zero OT since March)
6000.00 Long service award

Does not include:
Company DB contribution 31,000
Company benefits contribution 6,000.00
Company rent offset(Training pilots) 8600.00
ESOP Match TBD
Per diems ?

[daedalusx]

No overtime.
Try to work the minimum.

I like the way you roll. Same here. Haven’t broke 300 hrs of block time this year.

[cjp]

Yr 1 Porter E2 Training Captain - 415 flight hours this year.

Set to finish with approximately $260,000 (waiting for last pay stub for 15th onward). If I was hungrier, I could've crested 300k but I'm definitely on the lower end of pay for the training Captain group. Lifestyle and family are too important.

Recall, we went from 122k, to 156k and now we're at 177k min guarantee @ 75 hours as of July.

Breakdown:
OT - $70K (trainers were scheduled OT for most of the year - finally calming down).
Per diems - $4300 is added to those numbers (it's on the stub).
DSP Match - $5,700
Performance Pays - $600.00
Training Premium - $6500.00

[CaptDukeNukem]

Jazz top scale training
21% increase in September, looking forward to next year.
175K, includes:
OT 2100.00(2 single day at old pay, zero OT since March)
6000.00 Long service award

Does not include:
Company DB contribution 31,000
Company benefits contribution 6,000.00
Company rent offset(Training pilots) 8600.00
ESOP Match TBD
Per diems ?

Not gonna lie… lol. The show me yours and I’ll show you mine made me laugh pretty good.

But, I guess it’s cool since we all play in the same league.
Well…..Apart from AC, they’re in the NHL.

Looking at your numbers… not so bad. Room for improvement, but what airline doesn’t?

[Hysteria]

This thread is beer league hockey shower room. Dude,what does mine say? Sweet.. what does mine say! Dude. What does mine say.

Keep swinging your dicks, tips soon be a’touching.

I get what you mean, totally get it, however, this transparency is actually helpful for junior guys like myself trying to make the correct moves.

Also,

Class 3 instructor
22K gross
400 hours in 12 months
Had to work another job of course.

Wow, with a shortage of instructors, I would have thought the pay would have gone up.
That works out to 55/hr of logged time, how many hours would you say you worked doing ground instruction or walk around or whatever else they assigned to you?

Our hourly rate is much much less than that - but yeah, the 22K gross is between flying and ground. Fair amount of ground time between teaching ground school, pre-flight briefings, and solo supervision. Maybe ~ 200 hours ground.

[cjp]

I get what you mean, totally get it, however, this transparency is actually helpful for junior guys like myself trying to make the correct moves.

Also,

Class 3 instructor
22K gross
400 hours in 12 months
Had to work another job of course.

Wow, with a shortage of instructors, I would have thought the pay would have gone up.
That works out to 55/hr of logged time, how many hours would you say you worked doing ground instruction or walk around or whatever else they assigned to you?

Our hourly rate is much much less than that - but yeah, the 22K gross is between flying and ground. Fair amount of ground time between teaching ground school, pre-flight briefings, and solo supervision. Maybe ~ 200 hours ground.

Are you still seeing demand as a flight instructor regarding new students training or is it fairly cutthroat to get, and keep students?