Turning down the RED team
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AC Pay
The starting pay at AC is disgraceful.It is not even as high WJ,CJ, or Sky.Yes i did accept it but your missing the big pictureif you think it is OK to suffer for 2.5 years ubtil it comes up to about $59000.$37800 for a starting wage when new hire guys have families to support is just not right.At least be par with the other compnies in Canada.
Just because AC guys years ago had to take the low pay i guess the new hires have to as well.That is great philosophy.
Just because AC guys years ago had to take the low pay i guess the new hires have to as well.That is great philosophy.
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Rubberbiscuit
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I haven't turned the red team down, yet! But I am not likely to ever get the chance since I stopped updating my online application. I tried to remove it without success. I am not impressed with the starting wages either, but when some of the smartest, professional and most experienced pilots I have ever met or flown with get turned away after applying for well over a decade or more I deccided it is not a place I would want to work. I simply lost all respect for their hiring practices! To quote a good friend he said " when I had 250hrs they laughed at me, when I finally reached 1500 hrs and got my ATPL they still laughed at me. Now I have 9000hrs and now I am overqualified???" He was invited to an interview based on an old resume with 3000 hrs on it. The interview panel was shocked to find out he now had thousands of hours more! My friend was equally surprised since he had been updating his application religiously.
WTF?
WTF?
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The starting salaries at any major airline in this country are all within 2-4 thousand a year of each other. For most, this amount will go un-noticed on a day to day basis. The long term gain is not being considered at the expense of the "starting" salary argument. It amazes me how such people smart enough to fly airplanes can't see the trees for the forest. There is no other airline in this country that can offer career advancement and diversity at a descent pay than can be found at AC. Sorry to all you AC bashers, just telling it like it is. Then again if all you want to do is fly one type at a lower salary your entire career, all the power to you. For the rest of you, wake up and smell the java (the Second Cup type).
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People are going to get turned down no matter what the experience level. When you have over 5000 applicants for less than 500 jobs, experience does not guarantee you anything.
Tony is correct about the starting salaries being in the same ballpark as anywhere else, which was my argument. I was surprised to see your comment however, coming from an ex-Jetsgo driver, where pilots had to pay to get in.
Whatever your endeavours, all the best.
People are going to get turned down no matter what the experience level. When you have over 5000 applicants for less than 500 jobs, experience does not guarantee you anything.
Tony is correct about the starting salaries being in the same ballpark as anywhere else, which was my argument. I was surprised to see your comment however, coming from an ex-Jetsgo driver, where pilots had to pay to get in.
Whatever your endeavours, all the best.
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Rubberbiscuit
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I am not targeting any particular airline here but am I going overboard by suggesting that the major airlines could and should at least pay enough when you join, to support more than just the average 18 yearold bachelor?
After 8-12 years, which I know it took most of the gent's I know to get on with the red team, you can't be expected to be 18, single and debtfree living in shared basement accomodations in YYZ. Because that is all the starting wages will support.
Gelbisch: I dont know if your post was directed at me but I am not bitter at A/C for not giving me "the chance". A/C is without a doubt the best gig in Canada, but I never strived towards it as my single solitary flying career goal. That would constitute putting all my egg's in one basket, which i try to avoid at all cost. The paint job on the plane you fly means diddley! It is the lifestyle and paycheck that does (in that order!). I am not suggesting that A/C does not offer this. i am merely suggesting that there is more than one "saloon" in town!
Yes, I might have "prostituted" myself to Leblanc, but at a starting wage of$46,600 I could at least afford my mortgage for as long as it lasted. So I probably lost a bunch of money, but the people I met, and the experience I gained has landed me back on my feet(or one leg that is left after mike the white had his way with me).
Good luck to all, whatever their dreams and goals maybe.
BTW tony! I am not bashing A/C and I am relatively certain I never did. I was only contemplating their hiring practices.Which most of the guys/gals I know at A/C stand with me on)
After 8-12 years, which I know it took most of the gent's I know to get on with the red team, you can't be expected to be 18, single and debtfree living in shared basement accomodations in YYZ. Because that is all the starting wages will support.
Gelbisch: I dont know if your post was directed at me but I am not bitter at A/C for not giving me "the chance". A/C is without a doubt the best gig in Canada, but I never strived towards it as my single solitary flying career goal. That would constitute putting all my egg's in one basket, which i try to avoid at all cost. The paint job on the plane you fly means diddley! It is the lifestyle and paycheck that does (in that order!). I am not suggesting that A/C does not offer this. i am merely suggesting that there is more than one "saloon" in town!
Yes, I might have "prostituted" myself to Leblanc, but at a starting wage of$46,600 I could at least afford my mortgage for as long as it lasted. So I probably lost a bunch of money, but the people I met, and the experience I gained has landed me back on my feet(or one leg that is left after mike the white had his way with me).
Good luck to all, whatever their dreams and goals maybe.
BTW tony! I am not bashing A/C and I am relatively certain I never did. I was only contemplating their hiring practices.Which most of the guys/gals I know at A/C stand with me on)
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You are not going overboard at all for suggesting that the majors increase their starting wages. Just to give you an idea however of where the starting wages fall, the average salary in Canada is $40K.
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/educ05.htm
So the starting wage, is around the National average but goes up drastically from there.
I know, it still sucks and I agree that if you are in your mid thirties, who wants to be living in shared accomodation in a basement somewhere?
We also need to consider that the demographics have changed considerably. AC is now hiring the full gamut as far as age and experience in an effort to even out the retirement bubble. When I first started applying, I gave up because you needed to be a 19 year old french speaking female with 3 moon landings. Prior to 1995, most were hired in their early twenties. Prior to that, guys were hired right out of college/military.
Now we see guys/gals getting hired in their forties. Should the starting salary be changed depending on how old you are and how much debt load you have? 15 years ago, that 40 year old would not have even been considered.
So while I agree with you in saying that I too wish the starting salaries were higher, I don't think you are going to see any drastic change.
You are not going overboard at all for suggesting that the majors increase their starting wages. Just to give you an idea however of where the starting wages fall, the average salary in Canada is $40K.
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/educ05.htm
So the starting wage, is around the National average but goes up drastically from there.
I know, it still sucks and I agree that if you are in your mid thirties, who wants to be living in shared accomodation in a basement somewhere?
We also need to consider that the demographics have changed considerably. AC is now hiring the full gamut as far as age and experience in an effort to even out the retirement bubble. When I first started applying, I gave up because you needed to be a 19 year old french speaking female with 3 moon landings. Prior to 1995, most were hired in their early twenties. Prior to that, guys were hired right out of college/military.
Now we see guys/gals getting hired in their forties. Should the starting salary be changed depending on how old you are and how much debt load you have? 15 years ago, that 40 year old would not have even been considered.
So while I agree with you in saying that I too wish the starting salaries were higher, I don't think you are going to see any drastic change.
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Rubberbiscuit
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JS:
You are unfortunately right. I have chosen to pursue a career in an industry where experience is not portable in terms of wages and what you are worth. Hell! All I want is to be paid fair market value for my services! What baffles me though is that in Europe and Asia starting wages are a lot higher but in return your annual salary increases are less.
It seems more logical, as you can lead a normal life right away and afford to put more away for your retirement earlier on. I guess the starting wages has remained low since the early days when most guys hired with the majors had thousand hours or less. Now, the unions can and have been strong but this to me also demonstrates how powerless the unions can be as well. Through their inabality to raise the starting wages to a respectable level? years after all. Or is a result of the typicaly senior union reps looking out for the senior pilots first?
You are unfortunately right. I have chosen to pursue a career in an industry where experience is not portable in terms of wages and what you are worth. Hell! All I want is to be paid fair market value for my services! What baffles me though is that in Europe and Asia starting wages are a lot higher but in return your annual salary increases are less.
It seems more logical, as you can lead a normal life right away and afford to put more away for your retirement earlier on. I guess the starting wages has remained low since the early days when most guys hired with the majors had thousand hours or less. Now, the unions can and have been strong but this to me also demonstrates how powerless the unions can be as well. Through their inabality to raise the starting wages to a respectable level? years after all. Or is a result of the typicaly senior union reps looking out for the senior pilots first?
I think you hit the nail on the head JS....
The average age is much older than years gone by, and probation is one year ! The flat pay is one year too long. Formula should be enacted after your first year probabtion. It's just not reasonable to have people in their mid thirties making 40k, for the national airline for two years.
Having said that, those that give the excuse they can't afford to go is laughable unless they're making over 100k with an ex wife. If your making 46k Rubber, do you really think 40k is going to make an ounce of difference for the long term prospects? Especially after working for that bottom feeding criminal. Sorry, but it's just crazy talk. I suspect if they called you'd be running out to buy that new blue suit and red tie immediately.
AC has a tremendous cost saver in place and will likely not change a thing......oh well, take it or leave it.
The average age is much older than years gone by, and probation is one year ! The flat pay is one year too long. Formula should be enacted after your first year probabtion. It's just not reasonable to have people in their mid thirties making 40k, for the national airline for two years.
Having said that, those that give the excuse they can't afford to go is laughable unless they're making over 100k with an ex wife. If your making 46k Rubber, do you really think 40k is going to make an ounce of difference for the long term prospects? Especially after working for that bottom feeding criminal. Sorry, but it's just crazy talk. I suspect if they called you'd be running out to buy that new blue suit and red tie immediately.
AC has a tremendous cost saver in place and will likely not change a thing......oh well, take it or leave it.
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A330:
It's not crazy talk. I could not afford to make 46k either. I was sinking deeper every month but took the job with the possibility of quick command. Due to several moves and facing layoff's from previous employers I had allready spent several years making peanuts, living on borrowed coin at times. I took a huge risk with Jetsgo and lost out, I am not crying about it either. As a matter of fact I did my capt PPC the March 10th, the last day jetsgone company was in operation. I would have made 75k +to start. Don't worry, I never had the illusion that jetsgone would be a retirement job!
You are dead wrong about about running out for a new suit. I am out of the country and A/C neither has my phone number or address. I would not lie about trying to remove my application form. If you go back to my original post on the subject you will see all I mentioned was that I was not impressed with the starting wages. My biggest beef was some of the people passed over, excluding myself.
Let's be clear here. I never said A/C was a bad place to work or that the longterm monetary rewards are not good.
It's not crazy talk. I could not afford to make 46k either. I was sinking deeper every month but took the job with the possibility of quick command. Due to several moves and facing layoff's from previous employers I had allready spent several years making peanuts, living on borrowed coin at times. I took a huge risk with Jetsgo and lost out, I am not crying about it either. As a matter of fact I did my capt PPC the March 10th, the last day jetsgone company was in operation. I would have made 75k +to start. Don't worry, I never had the illusion that jetsgone would be a retirement job!
You are dead wrong about about running out for a new suit. I am out of the country and A/C neither has my phone number or address. I would not lie about trying to remove my application form. If you go back to my original post on the subject you will see all I mentioned was that I was not impressed with the starting wages. My biggest beef was some of the people passed over, excluding myself.
Let's be clear here. I never said A/C was a bad place to work or that the longterm monetary rewards are not good.
I hear where your coming from; many guys have just been a little unlucky, with timing and circumstance. You take the best thing that comes along at the time and hope for the best. However, your kind of talking in a nice round circle. If AC had called over the last ten years, you'd be along side JS with the red and white bells on. The reality is that you have to eat the shit sandwich for a few years......well maybe five, but AC will be far and away better than anything else in Canada long term. I have a serious problem with the starting wage structure and flat pay, but oh well. I'm a west coast guy and didn't see a decent future their for a long time. Very bad timing as well, with the layoffs etc......but you have to make a choice. I'm glad I left and in another 20 years, maybe I'll be kicking myself with 3 ex wives..Assuming you could live in TO with Jetsgo, you could certainly handle a couple years of lower pay? Not sure if the "pass over" affected you but there are many that didn't get the nod over the years and love to bash AC to justify their results. Enjoy the expat life if that's what your up to....
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A330:
Why is it so hard for you to grasp the concept that you can be the holder of a Canadian Pilot's License without AC being your "dream job". Don't get me wrong, for those whom it is or has been I say the best of luck and never give up. I have learned that if you want something bad enough it is there for one to go get it! To be be passed over you have make an attemt to join first which I never really did. Sure I filled out the online app when I became unemployed and I would have gone to an interview if they called. Since then however some good friends and great professional have been turned down, and yes that pisses me off because these are induviduals that have had AC as there career goal since startintng 10, 15, 20 years ago and have religiously updated their application. I never did. I only spent a handfull years in Canada and it is truly an awesome Country. I have always said and still stand buy the fact that i would not change anything even if I could. I have done and seen things I never could have dreamed of when I first set out to be a pilot. I am now on to new adventures and I am having a blast. Sure it sucked to get the rug pulled out from underneath me by mike the white, but I guess that is to be expected when your boss is a lowlife scumbag.
I have learned the grass always look greener on the other side and fro that reason live one day at a time and have stopped making longterm plans. That is not to say I don't have any goals!
Best of luck to all.
Why is it so hard for you to grasp the concept that you can be the holder of a Canadian Pilot's License without AC being your "dream job". Don't get me wrong, for those whom it is or has been I say the best of luck and never give up. I have learned that if you want something bad enough it is there for one to go get it! To be be passed over you have make an attemt to join first which I never really did. Sure I filled out the online app when I became unemployed and I would have gone to an interview if they called. Since then however some good friends and great professional have been turned down, and yes that pisses me off because these are induviduals that have had AC as there career goal since startintng 10, 15, 20 years ago and have religiously updated their application. I never did. I only spent a handfull years in Canada and it is truly an awesome Country. I have always said and still stand buy the fact that i would not change anything even if I could. I have done and seen things I never could have dreamed of when I first set out to be a pilot. I am now on to new adventures and I am having a blast. Sure it sucked to get the rug pulled out from underneath me by mike the white, but I guess that is to be expected when your boss is a lowlife scumbag.
I have learned the grass always look greener on the other side and fro that reason live one day at a time and have stopped making longterm plans. That is not to say I don't have any goals!
Best of luck to all.
All this talk about mo money mo money mo money. Lifestyle plays a huge factor in ones decision. Yes we do get comfortable in our present jobs. But if one is making decent money flying a t/prop instead of making 40K and flying a shiney new tube and being miserable especially being based in YYZ, I know which i would pick. I have been there done that and it wasn't for me. I couldn't make it work and it isn't for everybody. As we get older we look at life a little differently, days off etc. If I was 10-15 years younger I would chase a tube around, not now I learned my lesson.
JS,
Good on you for trying to stop the various AC wage myths that seem to make this forum. You've been taking hit after hit on the chin for it, but I'm sure there are many neutral lurkers who have appreciated the info.
My own case, started out at 31k, then after the strike went to 39k. (Bad old ACPA negotiated the largest percentile increase for the new hire pilots during the 1998 strike. This is what is possible when you negotiate outside of CCAA.) Year 2 paid 45k, year 3 paid 100k. (A320 f/o). Since then the wages have floated down as low as 90k, and as high as 108k. I tend to fly lower time blocks rather than chase dollars but that will be changing soon as I'm changing equipment and will be on reserve. Talking to Embraer Capts 125-135 depending on years of service, and high vs. low time blocks seems to be the rule. The airplane pays 30% below the old DC-9 rate, the A320 pays 23% less, and the balance of the fleet pays 15% less. PG sucks, and I'm one of the minority who voted against it.
In 2006, and 2009 there will be more positive changes at the lower end positions because the demographics of the union will be younger and younger. 30% of ACPA voted against the second CCAA contract even while fearing total job loss. More than 50% voted against the 777 offer once out of CCAA. Those who say ACPA eats there young don't look at history beyond 2 years. Back when CP was known for layoffs during the 70's and 80's, AC pilots took job sharing at reduced pay. When AC had pilots on layoff for the first time ever in the 90's, ACPA had reps whose job was to help find employment for all layed off members. Most when recalled were into the left seat of an A320 within 3-4 years. ACPA has done better than ALPA at protecting the bottom. Look at CRA in the 90's when they negotiated a flow through for their existing pilots, and made it locked out to new hires without degrees, all while dropping the new hire F28 pay below the pay of the 19 seat turbo props Ontario Express flew 10 years prior.
If guys want to go to the sandbox for more money that is their choice. I have no desire to live next door to Osama, Toronto is bad enough. Seeing what happened to William Sampson in Saudia Arabia, and looking at how Persia went from peaceful to Iran over a decade, there is no way I would consider employment anywhere in the middle east. (That and I hate the climate.) I'm glad that Canadians are going out there as I hope it will wake up the locals to how badly our professional renumeration has slid over the last decade. I never checked the payscales of any of the middle eastern airlines since I have no desire to work there, but it must be better than Canada's otherwise nobody would put up with moving there in the first place. The worse the place is, generally the better the pay is for the same equipment. If you don't believe me check out where the best paid Navajo, and King Air pilots are in Canada. I promise you it won't be in a province, but in a territory.
Cathay Pacific is a great job, but I would no more quit to go there, then I would expect one of them to quit to come here. Once a great airline offers you a job, it is time to delete the resume off the hard drive. I never believed in quiting a company to make a lateral move. Quiting a king air job for another king air job never made much sense. Either does leaving one star alliance airline for another one world airline.
As to why airlines have these awful starting wages in Canada? Historically it was to keep guys from jumping ship from AC to CP to PWA etc. If you wish to get a guy to quit a job in their home country to live in the desert it makes sense that the carrot is bigger up front. AC knows that there is no need since enough pilots are willing to wait 2 years in the system for the ability to earn 6 figures in the country their parents, siblings and friends reside in. (Someone mentioned 5000 resumes for 300 jobs? Until that changes, flat salarly will always be there.)
I always find it funny that people find the need to post pubically that they won't apply at AC, and then are shocked to find out others don't share their opinion. Perhaps we should all state where we won't work or submit a resume to. For me it Hooter's Air since I don't have a green card, they pay you in chicken wings, and my wife would be more than a little annoyed.
AC is a good place to spend a large part of your career as a pilot. The younger you start the better off you will be. After age 40 the decision to come here is more emotional than financial since with only 20 earning years left you'll likely do better off offshore. (If your wife and kids accept the moving.) JS's numbers with AC appear pretty accurate to me. But I can't forgive the guy for flying drafts.
Good on you for trying to stop the various AC wage myths that seem to make this forum. You've been taking hit after hit on the chin for it, but I'm sure there are many neutral lurkers who have appreciated the info.
My own case, started out at 31k, then after the strike went to 39k. (Bad old ACPA negotiated the largest percentile increase for the new hire pilots during the 1998 strike. This is what is possible when you negotiate outside of CCAA.) Year 2 paid 45k, year 3 paid 100k. (A320 f/o). Since then the wages have floated down as low as 90k, and as high as 108k. I tend to fly lower time blocks rather than chase dollars but that will be changing soon as I'm changing equipment and will be on reserve. Talking to Embraer Capts 125-135 depending on years of service, and high vs. low time blocks seems to be the rule. The airplane pays 30% below the old DC-9 rate, the A320 pays 23% less, and the balance of the fleet pays 15% less. PG sucks, and I'm one of the minority who voted against it.
In 2006, and 2009 there will be more positive changes at the lower end positions because the demographics of the union will be younger and younger. 30% of ACPA voted against the second CCAA contract even while fearing total job loss. More than 50% voted against the 777 offer once out of CCAA. Those who say ACPA eats there young don't look at history beyond 2 years. Back when CP was known for layoffs during the 70's and 80's, AC pilots took job sharing at reduced pay. When AC had pilots on layoff for the first time ever in the 90's, ACPA had reps whose job was to help find employment for all layed off members. Most when recalled were into the left seat of an A320 within 3-4 years. ACPA has done better than ALPA at protecting the bottom. Look at CRA in the 90's when they negotiated a flow through for their existing pilots, and made it locked out to new hires without degrees, all while dropping the new hire F28 pay below the pay of the 19 seat turbo props Ontario Express flew 10 years prior.
If guys want to go to the sandbox for more money that is their choice. I have no desire to live next door to Osama, Toronto is bad enough. Seeing what happened to William Sampson in Saudia Arabia, and looking at how Persia went from peaceful to Iran over a decade, there is no way I would consider employment anywhere in the middle east. (That and I hate the climate.) I'm glad that Canadians are going out there as I hope it will wake up the locals to how badly our professional renumeration has slid over the last decade. I never checked the payscales of any of the middle eastern airlines since I have no desire to work there, but it must be better than Canada's otherwise nobody would put up with moving there in the first place. The worse the place is, generally the better the pay is for the same equipment. If you don't believe me check out where the best paid Navajo, and King Air pilots are in Canada. I promise you it won't be in a province, but in a territory.
Cathay Pacific is a great job, but I would no more quit to go there, then I would expect one of them to quit to come here. Once a great airline offers you a job, it is time to delete the resume off the hard drive. I never believed in quiting a company to make a lateral move. Quiting a king air job for another king air job never made much sense. Either does leaving one star alliance airline for another one world airline.
As to why airlines have these awful starting wages in Canada? Historically it was to keep guys from jumping ship from AC to CP to PWA etc. If you wish to get a guy to quit a job in their home country to live in the desert it makes sense that the carrot is bigger up front. AC knows that there is no need since enough pilots are willing to wait 2 years in the system for the ability to earn 6 figures in the country their parents, siblings and friends reside in. (Someone mentioned 5000 resumes for 300 jobs? Until that changes, flat salarly will always be there.)
I always find it funny that people find the need to post pubically that they won't apply at AC, and then are shocked to find out others don't share their opinion. Perhaps we should all state where we won't work or submit a resume to. For me it Hooter's Air since I don't have a green card, they pay you in chicken wings, and my wife would be more than a little annoyed.
AC is a good place to spend a large part of your career as a pilot. The younger you start the better off you will be. After age 40 the decision to come here is more emotional than financial since with only 20 earning years left you'll likely do better off offshore. (If your wife and kids accept the moving.) JS's numbers with AC appear pretty accurate to me. But I can't forgive the guy for flying drafts.
You learn more from your mistakes than your successes. F**k enough things up and you'll die a genius.
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Long Keel:
Good post and you're right. I have no right coming on here trashing the A/C hiring system because some of my best friends fall through the cracks.
It is just frustrating too see really good people/pilots get left by the wayside. But this is aviation and it will always be the case i suppose!
Good post and you're right. I have no right coming on here trashing the A/C hiring system because some of my best friends fall through the cracks.
It is just frustrating too see really good people/pilots get left by the wayside. But this is aviation and it will always be the case i suppose!
RubberB,
I agree and completely share with the frustration you describe. I have been trying like hell to get a very experienced heavy jet Captain a job here and still no interview. I have seen good guys not make it, and the odd wingnut get through that if I was incharge of hiring I wouldn't touch. The thing is this happens everywhere, not just at Air Canada. It does royally suck those for the deserving who get passed over though. I'm just thankful I was a survivor of the hiring process.
I agree and completely share with the frustration you describe. I have been trying like hell to get a very experienced heavy jet Captain a job here and still no interview. I have seen good guys not make it, and the odd wingnut get through that if I was incharge of hiring I wouldn't touch. The thing is this happens everywhere, not just at Air Canada. It does royally suck those for the deserving who get passed over though. I'm just thankful I was a survivor of the hiring process.
You learn more from your mistakes than your successes. F**k enough things up and you'll die a genius.
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Long Keel:
Excellent post. Just one point - the '90s layoff was not the first. TCA laid off pilots in the late '50s and when recalled in the mid '60s their influence on the large group hired 1965-1974 was instrumental (IMO) in the creation of the reduced hour programs. Rather than "eating their young" the senior pilots voted to take a pay cut to save the jobs of the junior ones.
Excellent post. Just one point - the '90s layoff was not the first. TCA laid off pilots in the late '50s and when recalled in the mid '60s their influence on the large group hired 1965-1974 was instrumental (IMO) in the creation of the reduced hour programs. Rather than "eating their young" the senior pilots voted to take a pay cut to save the jobs of the junior ones.
100% tax free ... in USDEmirates pay is crap, 4K a month as an F/O 10K as a Captain
That's bulls**t. The most westernized of all the Middle Eastern countries. Hell, lots of the people don't even speak Arabic. Do some research.and you have to live on a compound in a country where you are tolerated.
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Petey
100% tax free and in USD.
An A320 Captain at AC is making around $14-15K a month and a 777 Capt will be just under $18K. So if Emirates is giving you $10K tax free, who is getting the tax break?
The truth is they are paying almost the same. As far as USD is concerned, unless you are a currency speculator, it means bugger all. You have to live and pay for things in a local currency. Getting paid in sterling for example only helps if you can live in Canada or Mexico. Even if you were a currency speculator, you would be taking a steady bath getting paid in USD at the moment.
100% tax free and in USD.
An A320 Captain at AC is making around $14-15K a month and a 777 Capt will be just under $18K. So if Emirates is giving you $10K tax free, who is getting the tax break?
The truth is they are paying almost the same. As far as USD is concerned, unless you are a currency speculator, it means bugger all. You have to live and pay for things in a local currency. Getting paid in sterling for example only helps if you can live in Canada or Mexico. Even if you were a currency speculator, you would be taking a steady bath getting paid in USD at the moment.
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Rubberbiscuit
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JS:
One more point: You might have the same amount after taxes but I am pretty sure Emirates takes care of your accomodation and provide transportation to and from work. Also, the time to command is not even in the same ballpark provided you show up at Emirates with the right experience. There is only one question really. Are you willing to live and/or raise a family in the sandbox?
One more point: You might have the same amount after taxes but I am pretty sure Emirates takes care of your accomodation and provide transportation to and from work. Also, the time to command is not even in the same ballpark provided you show up at Emirates with the right experience. There is only one question really. Are you willing to live and/or raise a family in the sandbox?
"Nearly all safety regulations are based upon lessons which have been paid for in blood by those who attempted what you are contemplating" Tony Kern
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tonysoprano
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I'm told rent in a sandbox villa will cost $4k a month US. The company only helps out with a small portion. Any truth?? Most guys just seem stuck there, trying to justify their decision. In fact, I don't see anymore millionaires coming home these days. I guess the days of millionaire pilots are gone. Hey, even at WJ.
