Jet stream down

[atc_is_god]

What are the latest thoughts on factors such as icing playing a role?

[Donald]

First Officer has been identified, rest in peace. Condolences to the family and friends.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/pa ... -1.7099955

[Hysteria]

Oh my gosh and I know him. Wow sad news..

[Old fella]

So very sad indeed. A young life tragically ended who no doubt was heading towards a promising aviation career.

[nobody23]

What are the latest thoughts on factors such as icing playing a role?

Image floating around from someone on board that morning. Outboard leading edge looked white and jagged. Not to say it didn't go de ice right after.

[cncpc]

What are the latest thoughts on factors such as icing playing a role?

Image floating around from someone on board that morning. Outboard leading edge looked white and jagged. Not to say it didn't go de ice right after.

Well, of course icing is likely top of the list for the TSB lads. But NWAL is not a pop up carrier. They have been there for 55 years, until now, without a fatality. They had well thought out protocols for that environment. One of the risks of icing there arises from pulling warm airplanes out into falling snow. They are/were well ahead of that issue. Either hangar doors open for a couple of hours to cool inside if already snowing, or outside if no snow. It doesn't take long at -20 to have it cool enough that the snow-melt-ice scenario is avoided.

The CVR may have the answer, or it may be found in detailed examination of what is left.

[cncpc]

What are the latest thoughts on factors such as icing playing a role?

Image floating around from someone on board that morning. Outboard leading edge looked white and jagged. Not to say it didn't go de ice right after.

Well, of course icing is likely top of the list for the TSB lads. But NWAL is not a pop up carrier. They have been there for 55 years, until now, without a fatality. They had well thought out protocols for that environment. One of the risks of icing there arises from pulling warm airplanes out into falling snow. They are/were well ahead of that issue. Either hangar doors open for a couple of hours to cool inside if already snowing, or outside if no snow. It doesn't take long at -20 to have it cool enough that the snow-melt-ice scenario is avoided.

I do think that the video showing a white leading edge with a jagged appearance is important. You can see the leading edge of the wing outboard of the nacelle from the pilot's seat and if I remember, testing the ice protection is part of either the pre taxi or lineup checks.

The CVR may have the answer, or it may be found in detailed examination of what is left.

[rigpiggy]

Tsb investigation link

https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/enquetes-inve ... W0008.html

[digits_]

Tsb investigation link

https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/enquetes-inve ... W0008.html

Holy moley, they pulled someone alive out of that wreck

[Nauclerus]

Has the Captain of this flight been identified in the media ? Can't find anything. Seems odd that it has not been reported.

[Justjohn]

“Has the Captain of this flight been identified in the media ? Can't find anything. Seems odd that it has not been reported.“


His name is being withheld at his family’s request.

[cncpc]

His obituary is out.

His family will have their reasons for not releasing it. It will be out shortly. I'm sure many know the reason and have had the good judgment to not start tongues wagging before anyone actually knows what happened.

Be one of those people.

[itsgrosswhatinet]

His obituary is out.

His family will have their reasons for not releasing it. It will be out shortly. I'm sure many know the reason and have had the good judgment to not start tongues wagging before anyone actually knows what happened.

Be one of those people.

Well this is getting weird.

[digits_]

His obituary is out.

His family will have their reasons for not releasing it. It will be out shortly. I'm sure many know the reason and have had the good judgment to not start tongues wagging before anyone actually knows what happened.

Be one of those people.

Well this is getting weird.

Yes, the irony is definitely strong in this one.

[Dronepiper]

I don't get it. Someone want to PM me

[Rquick]

His obituary is out.

His family will have their reasons for not releasing it. It will be out shortly. I'm sure many know the reason and have had the good judgment to not start tongues wagging before anyone actually knows what happened.

Be one of those people.

Is there a link to the obituary?

[itsgrosswhatinet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Nort ... ream_crash

[cncpc]

His obituary is out.

His family will have their reasons for not releasing it. It will be out shortly. I'm sure many know the reason and have had the good judgment to not start tongues wagging before anyone actually knows what happened.

Be one of those people.

Is there a link to the obituary?

There is. But, it doesn't say anything about the cause of the crash. Which is the question in this thread. Or, do you have another question?

[nobody23]

Not shady at all making a big deal about hiding his name. You must know something damning

[Rquick]

His obituary is out.

His family will have their reasons for not releasing it. It will be out shortly. I'm sure many know the reason and have had the good judgment to not start tongues wagging before anyone actually knows what happened.

Be one of those people.

Is there a link to the obituary?

There is. But, it doesn't say anything about the cause of the crash. Which is the question in this thread. Or, do you have another question?

First of all this thread is not about the cause of the crash.
The orgiginal poster said.. there is a Jetstream down I don't have any more details.
He does not ask what caused the crash.

So “ details” can be many things.

And Yes. I do have a another question.
What is the Captains name?
That my friend is a “detail”

Your arrogance is coming through. 5x5

[nobody23]

His obituary is out.

His family will have their reasons for not releasing it. It will be out shortly. I'm sure many know the reason and have had the good judgment to not start tongues wagging before anyone actually knows what happened.

Be one of those people.

This is pretty interesting, considering you were one of the first to wag your tongue:

I hear it was the Yellowknife sked, although today is the Diavik run as well. Certainly darkness. Takeoff west. Immediate black hole.

[Nauclerus]

I can't recall a fatal commerical aircraft accident in Canada were the captain was not identified in the media, while the FO is being characterized as a "victim" (granted it's the CBC, but still). I understand the familys wish not to release the name, but when has that ever stopped the media from reporting it in the past. Journalism 101, Who? What? When? Where? How? Who, it's the first one. All very odd.

[pelmet]

I really don't need or want to know the name of the captain. How about we agree not to mention it. However, if there are other issues that could be applicable, perhaps we could know what they are.

[shamrock104]

Probably more important to know what led up to the cause of the crash, as mentioned a name not that important really.

[pdw]

Couldn’t find the metar record for 8 or 9am

(Edited. Ok … “winds estimated” .. just see them there 14-1500z )