New hire bids

[cdnavater]

Not sure what accounts for this as I would have to dig a little more to figure it out but when the bid was published, there was 72ish Captain vacancies. The bid award has 93 Captain vacancies by my count after it was processed, so first, obviously we either don’t have qualified pilots or those who are qualified didn’t bid it.
Did we lose 20 more Captains since the bid was published?
As for pilots applying, there are still vacancies pretty much all bases and all equipment except for YYZ CRJ FO, that has no openings.

[Happyflyer78]

Not sure what accounts for this as I would have to dig a little more to figure it out but when the bid was published, there was 72ish Captain vacancies. The bid award has 93 Captain vacancies by my count after it was processed, so first, obviously we either don’t have qualified pilots or those who are qualified didn’t bid it.
Did we lose 20 more Captains since the bid was published?
As for pilots applying, there are still vacancies pretty much all bases and all equipment except for YYZ CRJ FO, that has no openings.

I find it hard to believe there are vacancies when the HR department isn’t contacting qualified applicants. As you know I applied in September 2023 and have yet to be contacted.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Not sure what accounts for this as I would have to dig a little more to figure it out but when the bid was published, there was 72ish Captain vacancies. The bid award has 93 Captain vacancies by my count after it was processed, so first, obviously we either don’t have qualified pilots or those who are qualified didn’t bid it.
Did we lose 20 more Captains since the bid was published?
As for pilots applying, there are still vacancies pretty much all bases and all equipment except for YYZ CRJ FO, that has no openings.

I find it hard to believe there are vacancies when the HR department isn’t contacting qualified applicants. As you know I applied in September 2023 and have yet to be contacted.

One would argue that you aren’t qualified if multiple airlines haven’t offered you letters of employment despite all of your experience

[Me262]

I’ll be in a ground school coming up and just wondering if anyone had any insight on what will be available. Seeing as the last 2 classes had large CRJs/Qs out of YYC and YVR is it safe to assume majority of availability will be out east or is it completely random?

With the processing of the equipment BID ongoing it would be difficult to determine with so many variables, however the majority of the vacancies were on the E175 and RJ, there is a good chance it will be that equipment at all bases.
It really depends on how many pilots past the equipment freeze that are able to bid the RJ/E175, which of course would open up Q spots.

Actually, when the bid is done, all FOs should be at the base of their choosing AND there will be FO vacancies to be filled in the short term in ALL bases. I believe it is fair to expect that for the next 3-4 NH classes, NH will find themselves in the base of their choosing even before they start indoc.

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Are you counting the effective date as well? Because most are 6 to 10 months out. And barring any delays, line indoc starts in roughly 2-3 months.

[cdnavater]

With the processing of the equipment BID ongoing it would be difficult to determine with so many variables, however the majority of the vacancies were on the E175 and RJ, there is a good chance it will be that equipment at all bases.
It really depends on how many pilots past the equipment freeze that are able to bid the RJ/E175, which of course would open up Q spots.

Actually, when the bid is done, all FOs should be at the base of their choosing AND there will be FO vacancies to be filled in the short term in ALL bases. I believe it is fair to expect that for the next 3-4 NH classes, NH will find themselves in the base of their choosing even before they start indoc.

58

Are you counting the effective date as well? Because most are 6 to 10 months out. And barring any delays, line indoc starts in roughly 2-3 months.

Essential there are vacancies for FOs at all bases on all equipment except for YYZ CRJ FO, from what was mentioned with the bid award, the effective dates for FOs who requested a new base were pushed out to allow for training of new hires to the western bases.
But, unless you want Toronto RJ, you will get any base on any equipment type from early on

[rudder]

Not sure what accounts for this as I would have to dig a little more to figure it out but when the bid was published, there was 72ish Captain vacancies. The bid award has 93 Captain vacancies by my count after it was processed, so first, obviously we either don’t have qualified pilots or those who are qualified didn’t bid it.
Did we lose 20 more Captains since the bid was published?
As for pilots applying, there are still vacancies pretty much all bases and all equipment except for YYZ CRJ FO, that has no openings.

I have no idea where the pilots will come from, particularly the CA. Upgradability remains an issue at Jazz. And then there is the lack of interest in being the junior RSV CA (recall that Jazz requires RSV CA to cover both left and right seat flying, effectively doubling the odds of working on a RSV day). Add in working every weekend and lousy vacation slots and you have reasons for otherwise qualified FO’s to say “no thanks” to the upgrade.

The 90+ CA vacancies will increase by the number of non-forecast departures during 2024. Will that be 10? 20? 30? More?
The Porter E2 basing announcement is probably good for an extra 15-20 alone, particularly YUL.

Jazz needs to start to look at how the US regionals are dealing with the same problem. Then go to AC and explain that the ability to execute the commercial plan will continue to be impacted by retention and hiring challenges, particularly experience levels.

[Inverted2]

Not sure what accounts for this as I would have to dig a little more to figure it out but when the bid was published, there was 72ish Captain vacancies. The bid award has 93 Captain vacancies by my count after it was processed, so first, obviously we either don’t have qualified pilots or those who are qualified didn’t bid it.
Did we lose 20 more Captains since the bid was published?
As for pilots applying, there are still vacancies pretty much all bases and all equipment except for YYZ CRJ FO, that has no openings.

I have no idea where the pilots will come from, particularly the CA. Upgradability remains an issue at Jazz. And then there is the lack of interest in being the junior RSV CA (recall that Jazz requires RSV CA to cover both left and right seat flying, effectively doubling the odds of working on a RSV day). Add in working every weekend and lousy vacation slots and you have reasons for otherwise qualified FO’s to say “no thanks” to the upgrade.

The 90+ CA vacancies will increase by the number of non-forecast departures during 2024. Will that be 10? 20? 30? More?
The Porter E2 basing announcement is probably good for an extra 15-20 alone, particularly YUL.

Jazz needs to start to look at how the US regionals are dealing with the same problem. Then go to AC and explain that the ability to execute the commercial plan will continue to be impacted by retention and hiring challenges, particularly experience levels.

You nailed it but part of me wonders if they are trying to burn the whole place down. The management can’t possibly be that blind to the fact that nobody wants to come here anymore. The pay is subpar and the schedules are bad even if you’re senior. They’re going to have to do something soon.

[rudder]

Not sure what accounts for this as I would have to dig a little more to figure it out but when the bid was published, there was 72ish Captain vacancies. The bid award has 93 Captain vacancies by my count after it was processed, so first, obviously we either don’t have qualified pilots or those who are qualified didn’t bid it.
Did we lose 20 more Captains since the bid was published?
As for pilots applying, there are still vacancies pretty much all bases and all equipment except for YYZ CRJ FO, that has no openings.

I have no idea where the pilots will come from, particularly the CA. Upgradability remains an issue at Jazz. And then there is the lack of interest in being the junior RSV CA (recall that Jazz requires RSV CA to cover both left and right seat flying, effectively doubling the odds of working on a RSV day). Add in working every weekend and lousy vacation slots and you have reasons for otherwise qualified FO’s to say “no thanks” to the upgrade.

The 90+ CA vacancies will increase by the number of non-forecast departures during 2024. Will that be 10? 20? 30? More?
The Porter E2 basing announcement is probably good for an extra 15-20 alone, particularly YUL.

Jazz needs to start to look at how the US regionals are dealing with the same problem. Then go to AC and explain that the ability to execute the commercial plan will continue to be impacted by retention and hiring challenges, particularly experience levels.

You nailed it but part of me wonders if they are trying to burn the whole place down. The management can’t possibly be that blind to the fact that nobody wants to come here anymore. The pay is subpar and the schedules are bad even if you’re senior. They’re going to have to do something soon.

Jazz is in a race to get to get to 80 airframes. That is approximately 960 line pilots required.

I am just waiting for the announcement of departing CRJ900, or E175, or Q400 tails. Existing fleet is dramatically under-utilized, particularly the E175.

[yowflyer23]

Would AC consider giving a reserved AC seniority number to QK Captains if they stayed at Jazz for an agreed amount of time as a retention tool? I heard rumours about this in training but that seems too good to be true and I couldn’t see AC pilots being happy about that.

[truedude]

Would AC consider giving a reserved AC seniority number to QK Captains if they stayed at Jazz for an agreed amount of time as a retention tool? I heard rumours about this in training but that seems too good to be true and I couldn’t see AC pilots being happy about that.

I wouldn't want that. It would allow them to keep pay down. And have no particular ambition to be an AC pilot. The only way to fix this, is with money. And until the top brass at AC get their heads out of their ass and pay, this will keep getting worse. The only way to fix it is with pay and working conditions. Everything else is just a sad pathetic attempt by management no to pay.

[cdnavater]

Would AC consider giving a reserved AC seniority number to QK Captains if they stayed at Jazz for an agreed amount of time as a retention tool? I heard rumours about this in training but that seems too good to be true and I couldn’t see AC pilots being happy about that.

Would they, yes, it was tried about a year ago but the AC pilots rightfully turned it down. The offer presented had actual concessions attached to it, ridiculous.
Will a new contract include this, hard to say, I suppose it depends on what AC is willing to GIVE in exchange for it.

[Inverted2]

Year 1 CA pay at Jazz is around $108/hr. It tops out at $165/hr after 17 years. Porter E195 CA STARTS at $190/hr. There is no way Jazz will get qualified DEC with that compensation. Not even close.

[rudder]

Year 1 CA pay at Jazz is around $108/hr. It tops out at $165/hr after 17 years. Porter E195 CA STARTS at $190/hr. There is no way Jazz will get qualified DEC with that compensation. Not even close.

They will get King Air CA. But a King Air CA is not qualified to fly an E175 in to LGA, a CRJ in to YXY, or a Q400 into airports in the Rockies.

Jazz should be aiming for jet CA or Q400 CA from other carriers. That would require starting pay of at least $150/hr.

AC could never wrap its head around that. The US legacy carriers have. You either pay for feed or do the flying yourself. To a very large extent, AC has chosen the latter solution.

[BTD]

Year 1 CA pay at Jazz is around $108/hr. It tops out at $165/hr after 17 years. Porter E195 CA STARTS at $190/hr. There is no way Jazz will get qualified DEC with that compensation. Not even close.

They will get King Air CA. But a King Air CA is not qualified to fly an E175 in to LGA, a CRJ in to YXY, or a Q400 into airports in the Rockies.

Jazz should be aiming for jet CA or Q400 CA from other carriers. That would require starting pay of at least $150/hr.

AC could never wrap its head around that. The US legacy carriers have. You either pay for feed or do the flying yourself. To a very large extent, AC has chosen the latter solution.

Are you sure? I heard about a 6000+ hour king air captain, who is the god damn best.

[cdnavater]

Year 1 CA pay at Jazz is around $108/hr. It tops out at $165/hr after 17 years. Porter E195 CA STARTS at $190/hr. There is no way Jazz will get qualified DEC with that compensation. Not even close.

Not disputing the difference between Porter and Jazz but let’s present accurate information!
A Jazz DEC pilot starting today is 108, this July will be 110.39/hr, in 17 years when they would actually get there it’s 241.59 accounting for only the 2% annual increase.
Yes, today the top is 165, July 168 but again assuming no other prospects a DEC Pilot joining this year would be making a minimum of 269.36/hr in 2044, that’s the current pay scale without any negotiations in the future.

[Hysteria]

Year 1 CA pay at Jazz is around $108/hr. It tops out at $165/hr after 17 years. Porter E195 CA STARTS at $190/hr. There is no way Jazz will get qualified DEC with that compensation. Not even close.

Not disputing the difference between Porter and Jazz but let’s present accurate information!
A Jazz DEC pilot starting today is 108, this July will be 110.39/hr, in 17 years when they would actually get there it’s 241.59 accounting for only the 2% annual increase.
Yes, today the top is 165, July 168 but again assuming no other prospects a DEC Pilot joining this year would be making a minimum of 269.36/hr in 2044, that’s the current pay scale without any negotiations in the future.

Right and yeah - as of 2023, Porter tops out at year 12, as opposed to 17, to 270/hr. Not sure what that figure inflates to over the course of the next few years.

[rudder]

Year 1 CA pay at Jazz is around $108/hr. It tops out at $165/hr after 17 years. Porter E195 CA STARTS at $190/hr. There is no way Jazz will get qualified DEC with that compensation. Not even close.

Not disputing the difference between Porter and Jazz but let’s present accurate information!
A Jazz DEC pilot starting today is 108, this July will be 110.39/hr, in 17 years when they would actually get there it’s 241.59 accounting for only the 2% annual increase.
Yes, today the top is 165, July 168 but again assuming no other prospects a DEC Pilot joining this year would be making a minimum of 269.36/hr in 2044, that’s the current pay scale without any negotiations in the future.

Right and yeah - as of 2023, Porter tops out at year 12, as opposed to 17, to 270/hr. Not sure what that figure inflates to over the course of the next few years.

Jazz needs to start around $150 and top out around $200 - that is in 2024 - in order to attract (or retain) the experience that is required.

That isn’t isn’t happening. And the consequences manifest themselves every day in terms of attrition and applicant qualification (or lack thereof).

[Big Pistons Forever]

Is the Jazz MMG 85 hrs ?

[truedude]

Is the Jazz MMG 85 hrs ?

77.5

[rudder]

Is the Jazz MMG 85 hrs ?

Block target 77.5-82.5 (determined monthly on a per Position basis). Individual Pilot MMG is the block target or assigned line value, whichever is higher. RSV MMG is the block target.

Recent MOA allows company to increase block target as high as 87.5

[cdnavater]

Is the Jazz MMG 85 hrs ?

Block target 77.5-82.5 (determined monthly on a per Position basis). Individual Pilot MMG is the block target or assigned line value, whichever is higher. RSV MMG is the block target.

Recent MOA allows company to increase block target as high as 87.5

I’ve been here nearly 20 years and never had less than 82.5 per month averaged over the year, 77.5 is the minimum they could go to but it has not been that, over the last 18+ years.(I believe Covid had some lower block windows but not for me)
So if you want to figure what the salary is, it’s safe to use 82.5 block average, that will tell you your annual salary. Even without the MOA, the contract has the ability to increase the block, I believe it was 6 credits per equipment and base, minimum of 2, so they could increase the block one time by 6 or 3 times by 2 over the max. I’d have to look to be sure but I think that’s how it works.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Year 1 CA pay at Jazz is around $108/hr. It tops out at $165/hr after 17 years. Porter E195 CA STARTS at $190/hr. There is no way Jazz will get qualified DEC with that compensation. Not even close.

They will get King Air CA. But a King Air CA is not qualified to fly an E175 in to LGA, a CRJ in to YXY, or a Q400 into airports in the Rockies.

Jazz should be aiming for jet CA or Q400 CA from other carriers. That would require starting pay of at least $150/hr.

AC could never wrap its head around that. The US legacy carriers have. You either pay for feed or do the flying yourself. To a very large extent, AC has chosen the latter solution.

Are you sure? I heard about a 6000+ hour king air captain, who is the god damn best.

Lol. I’ve been chasing that guy down for weeks

[ghost-account]

Would anyone have the bid from the last ground school?

[AntiShill]

Would anyone have the bid from the last ground school?

Feb 19

YYC CRJ - 4 spots
YYC Q - 4 spots
YVR Q - 4 spots
YYZ 175 - 4 spots
YUL 175 - 4 spots

[skyrider7]

Anyone recently did sim eval in YVR could help me with some questions?
Feel free to PM Thanks in advance.