Years of service

[frog]

My understanding at Westjet is that when you upgrade, you count the years of service as a FO for your pay.
Example : A FO hired in 2015 who upgrades in 2020 will be on the Captain pay scale of 5 years.

First of all, is that true ?
I went on Negotech, however the new CBA is not there yet.

I was wondering if someone could provide a reference to this or let me know if it's not accurate.

Thank you,

[George Taylor]

Yes, thats correct.

[dontcallmeshirley]

They count your YoS at Swoop and WestJet, not at Encore. We'll see what happens with Sunwing.

[frog]

That's exactly what a lot of folks would like to know

[rudder]

That's exactly what a lot of folks would like to know

Really?

The WJ pilot contract will prevail for the merged pilot group. The SW pilots will become WJ pilots.

And yes, upon implementation one of the upsides will be YOS for pay for the former SW pilots.

[Canadaflyer46]

Something to bear in mind with this discussion is that the most junior captain is around the 10 year mark. For someone hired today I'd wager it would be far longer. The T4s under our new contract have been impressive, several captains I know made mid 400s last year, and even the guys who did no overtime are easily mid 300s. Unfortunately it will take many years to get to that stage once joining the airline. At least there is no 4 year flat pay though

[frog]

That's exactly what a lot of folks would like to know

Really?

The WJ pilot contract will prevail for the merged pilot group. The SW pilots will become WJ pilots.

And yes, upon implementation one of the upsides will be YOS for pay for the former SW pilots.

I hope you're right Rudder.
Cause if you're right it would mean that sw pilot hired in 2015 who upgraded in 2023 will be right away on the 9 years wj cap salary scale in 2024.
That will be a big increase of money.
However, I am not sure it's going to work this way.

[Benwa]

That's exactly what a lot of folks would like to know

Really?

The WJ pilot contract will prevail for the merged pilot group. The SW pilots will become WJ pilots.

And yes, upon implementation one of the upsides will be YOS for pay for the former SW pilots.

I hope you're right Rudder.
Cause if you're right it would mean that sw pilot hired in 2015 who upgraded in 2023 will be right away on the 9 years wj cap salary scale in 2024.
That will be a big increase of money.
However, I am not sure it's going to work this way.

If they get the pay from WJ's collective agreement, they better have the seniority to hold their position once merged.... Otherwise there will be quite a few people upset.

[Hysteria]

Something to bear in mind with this discussion is that the most junior captain is around the 10 year mark. For someone hired today I'd wager it would be far longer. The T4s under our new contract have been impressive, several captains I know made mid 400s last year, and even the guys who did no overtime are easily mid 300s. Unfortunately it will take many years to get to that stage once joining the airline. At least there is no 4 year flat pay though

Just curious, is 12Y 787 CA already $353/hr? Or is that figure by the contract maturity 4th year mark? The guys you know that made mid 400s, they must’ve all been 787, yeah?

[Canadaflyer46]

Al 737. Which is $288 an hour. Pretty much every captain is at the top of the scale. 787 is $335 currently.

[rudder]

Really?

The WJ pilot contract will prevail for the merged pilot group. The SW pilots will become WJ pilots.

And yes, upon implementation one of the upsides will be YOS for pay for the former SW pilots.

I hope you're right Rudder.
Cause if you're right it would mean that sw pilot hired in 2015 who upgraded in 2023 will be right away on the 9 years wj cap salary scale in 2024.
That will be a big increase of money.
However, I am not sure it's going to work this way.

If they get the pay from WJ's collective agreement, they better have the seniority to hold their position once merged.... Otherwise there will be quite a few people upset.

They already have the seniority.

Be careful not to conflate what happened with SWOOP with an actual merger of previously separate companies and pilot groups. The SW pilots are not going to agree to displacement based on implementation, nor will that edict flow from an arbitration panel.

However, if there is equipment substitution (i.e. 787’s added/737’s removed) or general reductions in force due to shrinking positions, then any pilot without adequate system seniority would be at risk of a displacement or reduction (however may have reinstatement rights based in the terms of the CBA).

Some people may be pissed off that pilots with 24 months seniority are in the left seat. The merging of lists will not in and of itself change that.

[daedalusx]

Cost of doing business.
Onex / WJ management bought SWG as an airline and they agreed under CA2 that SWG pilot group would be merged into 1 unit / contract with Westjet pilots.
Don’t give a shit if it means xx M$ more in pay for SWG capt and future upgrades.

[Maritimer]

I hope you're right Rudder.
Cause if you're right it would mean that sw pilot hired in 2015 who upgraded in 2023 will be right away on the 9 years wj cap salary scale in 2024.
That will be a big increase of money.
However, I am not sure it's going to work this way.

If they get the pay from WJ's collective agreement, they better have the seniority to hold their position once merged.... Otherwise there will be quite a few people upset.

They already have the seniority.

Be careful not to conflate what happened with SWOOP with an actual merger of previously separate companies and pilot groups. The SW pilots are not going to agree to displacement based on implementation, nor will that edict flow from an arbitration panel.

However, if there is equipment substitution (i.e. 787’s added/737’s removed) or general reductions in force due to shrinking positions, then any pilot without adequate system seniority would be at risk of a displacement or reduction (however may have reinstatement rights based in the terms of the CBA).

Some people may be pissed off that pilots with 24 months seniority are in the left seat. The merging of lists will not in and of itself change that.

The merging of list won’t but the DOH position bid after the fact will take care of it. Also, WJA Merger Com. has said that the company is arguing against YOS for the incoming WG pilots due to the fact of the pay increase already obtained by the WG folks upon merging. Personally I don’t see that happening as we will all be on the same CA but that is what the CO is arguing.

[dontcallmeshirley]

The merging of list won’t but the DOH position bid after the fact will take care of it. Also, WJA Merger Com. has said that the company is arguing against YOS for the incoming WG pilots due to the fact of the pay increase already obtained by the WG folks upon merging. Personally I don’t see that happening as we will all be on the same CA but that is what the CO is arguing.

I'll shit on the WG guys for expecting for too much any day, but expecting to have the contract followed by the company is not one of these cases.

It's just WestJet management being WestJet management.