DanWEC wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:41 am
Rudder, purely as an aside conversation, I thought that ADP was authorized to distribute existing funds from what is essentially either a charter account or an account wholly managed by the corporation, with access authorization to ADP.
I'm only basing this on what I've seen from looking at small scale payroll management services.
So you're saying it requires the company payroll dept to complete payroll accounting just prior to payday, then transfer the payroll balance in it's entirety to the service, where they handle the distribution to the employees individual accounts?
Agreed. But the funds must be there (in their entirety).
DanWEC wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:41 am
Rudder, purely as an aside conversation, I thought that ADP was authorized to distribute existing funds from what is essentially either a charter account or an account wholly managed by the corporation, with access authorization to ADP.
I'm only basing this on what I've seen from looking at small scale payroll management services.
So you're saying it requires the company payroll dept to complete payroll accounting just prior to payday, then transfer the payroll balance in it's entirety to the service, where they handle the distribution to the employees individual accounts?
Agreed. But the funds must be there (in their entirety).
Apparently an ADP error. Case closed (hopefully).
There is literally nothing official that I can find, wouldn’t this warrant some kind of damage control from either or both parties
As someone who has been on the wrong side of an airline demise, I find that lol smilie to be in very bad taste!! People having their livelihood in the balance is not ‘funny’!!
Oh boo hoo, you've got to toughen up a bit. You're probably one of those cancel culture softies.
I find it entertaining because everyone was kissing Flair's behind about how great of a place it is to be; when the rest of us saw this coming. Might've been a technical mistake on payroll's end, it might've not... either way, Flair deserves to be laughed at with all the continual stupidity coming from the top there.
Look away if you can't handle it
You know I would maybe have agreed with you about [lightening] up, until you went and said this. Now you just look like an idiot. Maybe payroll or HR or management deserves to be laughed at, but the employees sure don't. If you don't see that then I feel sorry for anyone that has to share their workspace with you. Grow up.
Michel Myers wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:37 am
Sorry the article was behind a paywall. Here it is
About55,000 staff at EY’s US operations woke on Tuesday to find the wages they were paid on Friday had disappeared from their bank accounts after an error by the accounting firm’s payroll provider ADP.
The Big Four firm said ADP had “erroneously reversed EY’s July 15 payroll impacting our US employees”. It added that it was working urgently with ADP to fix the error, which had affected all of its roughly 55,000 US employees.
ADP said in a statement: “We can confirm that we experienced an error that caused a payment reversal for a group ofUS employees of one of our clients. We understand the urgency of this issue and our team is working swiftly to resolve this to ensure employees receive their pay as quickly as possible.”
Umm....sorry - but try again. The article you quote is from 2022.
You gotta lay off the type 4 green cool-aid.
I posted this article to show that ADP has had issues with pay in the past. You really are a simple minded boy aren’t ya?
As someone who has been on the wrong side of an airline demise, I find that lol smilie to be in very bad taste!! People having their livelihood in the balance is not ‘funny’!!
Oh boo hoo, you've got to toughen up a bit. You're probably one of those cancel culture softies.
I find it entertaining because everyone was kissing Flair's behind about how great of a place it is to be; when the rest of us saw this coming. Might've been a technical mistake on payroll's end, it might've not... either way, Flair deserves to be laughed at with all the continual stupidity coming from the top there.
Look away if you can't handle it
You know I would maybe have agreed with you about [lightening] up, until you went and said this. Now you just look like an idiot. Maybe payroll or HR or management deserves to be laughed at, but the employees sure don't. If you don't see that then I feel sorry for anyone that has to share their workspace with you. Grow up.
You don't know me at all except for on a cheap forum website I'm a firm believer of sleeping in the bed you've made, so I might not have sympathy for choosing to worm for a blatant red flag... anyways, my original lol might have been directed at the airline but you snowflakes choose to be whiners and assume otherwise.
You've been very sensitive on this thread... I think you'd be the one who'd be a pain to share their workspace with...
Michel Myers wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:37 am
Sorry the article was behind a paywall. Here it is
About55,000 staff at EY’s US operations woke on Tuesday to find the wages they were paid on Friday had disappeared from their bank accounts after an error by the accounting firm’s payroll provider ADP.
The Big Four firm said ADP had “erroneously reversed EY’s July 15 payroll impacting our US employees”. It added that it was working urgently with ADP to fix the error, which had affected all of its roughly 55,000 US employees.
ADP said in a statement: “We can confirm that we experienced an error that caused a payment reversal for a group ofUS employees of one of our clients. We understand the urgency of this issue and our team is working swiftly to resolve this to ensure employees receive their pay as quickly as possible.”
Umm....sorry - but try again. The article you quote is from 2022.
You gotta lay off the type 4 green cool-aid.
I posted this article to show that ADP has had issues with pay in the past. You really are a simple minded boy aren’t ya?
Sry that’s like me saying “mark my words, AC will file bankruptcy” and than posting articles from 20 years ago. Means nothing.
Post something relevant to the situation you are trying to defend.
Michel Myers wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:51 pm
I posted this article to show that ADP has had issues with pay in the past. You really are a simple minded boy aren’t ya?
So by that measure it would be fair game to post articles about Flair having aircraft repossessed and owing tens of millions of dollars in taxes in order to show a trend of financial mismanagement, no?
Michel Myers wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:37 am
Sorry the article was behind a paywall. Here it is
About55,000 staff at EY’s US operations woke on Tuesday to find the wages they were paid on Friday had disappeared from their bank accounts after an error by the accounting firm’s payroll provider ADP.
The Big Four firm said ADP had “erroneously reversed EY’s July 15 payroll impacting our US employees”. It added that it was working urgently with ADP to fix the error, which had affected all of its roughly 55,000 US employees.
ADP said in a statement: “We can confirm that we experienced an error that caused a payment reversal for a group ofUS employees of one of our clients. We understand the urgency of this issue and our team is working swiftly to resolve this to ensure employees receive their pay as quickly as possible.”
Umm....sorry - but try again. The article you quote is from 2022.
You gotta lay off the type 4 green cool-aid.
I posted this article to show that ADP has had issues with pay in the past. You really are a simple minded boy aren’t ya?
Your original post didn't specify that it was an old article. Either you didn't realize it, or you copy and pasted the article thinking no one had a subscription to see the date of it and claimed it to be relevant. Anyone still at Flair thinking everything will be alright is delusional.
Michel Myers wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:51 pm
I posted this article to show that ADP has had issues with pay in the past. You really are a simple minded boy aren’t ya?
So by that measure it would be fair game to post articles about Flair having aircraft repossessed and owing tens of millions of dollars in taxes in order to show a trend of financial mismanagement, no?
Michel Myers wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:51 pm
I posted this article to show that ADP has had issues with pay in the past. You really are a simple minded boy aren’t ya?
So by that measure it would be fair game to post articles about Flair having aircraft repossessed and owing tens of millions of dollars in taxes in order to show a trend of financial mismanagement, no?
I don't think ANYTING is clearcut, lots of companies fucked around and (didn't) find out. The Bay didn't pay landlords during covid, Porter didn't pay Nieuport rent during covid. The difference with Flair is their leases were likely below market rate so there was in incentive for the lessors to take back and rent at a higher rate, can't say the same about retail space etc.
Michel Myers wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:51 pm
I posted this article to show that ADP has had issues with pay in the past. You really are a simple minded boy aren’t ya?
So by that measure it would be fair game to post articles about Flair having aircraft repossessed and owing tens of millions of dollars in taxes in order to show a trend of financial mismanagement, no?
I don't think ANYTING is clearcut, lots of companies fucked around and (didn't) find out. The Bay didn't pay landlords during covid, Porter didn't pay Nieuport rent during covid. The difference with Flair is their leases were likely below market rate so there was in incentive for the lessors to take back and rent at a higher rate, can't say the same about retail space etc.
So by that measure it would be fair game to post articles about Flair having aircraft repossessed and owing tens of millions of dollars in taxes in order to show a trend of financial mismanagement, no?
I don't think ANYTING is clearcut, lots of companies fucked around and (didn't) find out. The Bay didn't pay landlords during covid, Porter didn't pay Nieuport rent during covid. The difference with Flair is their leases were likely below market rate so there was in incentive for the lessors to take back and rent at a higher rate, can't say the same about retail space etc.
That is such BS.
You cant really be that naive can you?
Without looking at balance sheets we’re all speculating aren’t we?
I don't think ANYTING is clearcut, lots of companies fucked around and (didn't) find out. The Bay didn't pay landlords during covid, Porter didn't pay Nieuport rent during covid. The difference with Flair is their leases were likely below market rate so there was in incentive for the lessors to take back and rent at a higher rate, can't say the same about retail space etc.
That is such BS.
You cant really be that naive can you?
Without looking at balance sheets we’re all speculating aren’t we?
Let me know what inside info you have though!
This was an exact quote from a bnn article in August before the CRA arrears a thing.
“The balance sheet is not in great shape," Jones added, but noted the interest is "non-cash" — no monthly payments required — and merely adds to the principal. "At some point there will be some form of reckoning, whether it's a restructure or whatever."
Michel Myers wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:51 pm
I posted this article to show that ADP has had issues with pay in the past. You really are a simple minded boy aren’t ya?
So by that measure it would be fair game to post articles about Flair having aircraft repossessed and owing tens of millions of dollars in taxes in order to show a trend of financial mismanagement, no?
I don't think ANYTING is clearcut, lots of companies fucked around and (didn't) find out. The Bay didn't pay landlords during covid, Porter didn't pay Nieuport rent during covid. The difference with Flair is their leases were likely below market rate so there was in incentive for the lessors to take back and rent at a higher rate, can't say the same about retail space etc.
The Bay did find out. They lost a few stores because they didn't pay and in other downtown locations were evicted out of some of the floors of their department stores. Here's one for example https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.5812240.
To those who think Flair is doing fine is the blind Type IV sci fi slime blind loyalty because they came to you when you got PFO'd by others. Like I've said, sleep in the bed you've made.
I don't think ANYTING is clearcut, lots of companies fucked around and (didn't) find out. The Bay didn't pay landlords during covid, Porter didn't pay Nieuport rent during covid. The difference with Flair is their leases were likely below market rate so there was in incentive for the lessors to take back and rent at a higher rate, can't say the same about retail space etc.
That is such BS.
You cant really be that naive can you?
Without looking at balance sheets we’re all speculating aren’t we?
Let me know what inside info you have though!
I could say exactly the same thing to you....but then again when one can't pay credit cards, phone bills, has to close call centers, has planes repossessed, unpaid tax bills, payday "glitches", millions of customers money not being transferred, openly acknowledges they have 350 million in debt at 18% and don't pay on it - then says a reckoning of some kind is coming - and probably a few other "it's not our faults" in there. Now add the fact their sugar daddy is on the verge of collapsing - one has to start to realize that the ship is listing quite badly.
All of this is built on a business plan that has always had no hope of succeeding - and they still cling to that. Just look through the Lynx financials and you will know that Flairs are going to be somewhat the same.
To those who think Flair is doing fine is the blind Type IV sci fi slime blind loyalty because they came to you when you got PFO'd by others. Like I've said, sleep in the bed you've made.
Who hurt you bro
Rejected by society enough to make you a salty miserable bast*rd? Let it go
To those who think Flair is doing fine is the blind Type IV sci fi slime blind loyalty because they came to you when you got PFO'd by others. Like I've said, sleep in the bed you've made.
Who hurt you bro
Rejected by society enough to make you a salty miserable bast*rd? Let it go
Judging by your whiney replies to everyone prediction Flair's demise in this thread, you're the one hurt. Toughen up sweetheart!
To those who think Flair is doing fine is the blind Type IV sci fi slime blind loyalty because they came to you when you got PFO'd by others. Like I've said, sleep in the bed you've made.
Who hurt you bro
Rejected by society enough to make you a salty miserable bast*rd? Let it go
Judging by your whiney replies to everyone prediction Flair's demise in this thread, you're the one hurt. Toughen up sweetheart!
Funny, considering how opinionated you are on the employees at flair who chose to go there. I'd even guess you were PFO'd at one point and you're just sour over it. Want a hug there cupcake?
Rejected by society enough to make you a salty miserable bast*rd? Let it go
Judging by your whiney replies to everyone prediction Flair's demise in this thread, you're the one hurt. Toughen up sweetheart!
Funny, considering how opinionated you are on the employees at flair who chose to go there. I'd even guess you were PFO'd at one point and you're just sour over it. Want a hug there cupcake?
Nope never been PFO'd ever... Also don't have to look over my shoulder at my employer shutting down because Stephen Jones and his buddies are lying crooks.
As I keep saying, you make the choice, you be the adult and deal with the rewards/consequences.
If I choose to laugh at management botching pay, don't get all whiney about it. It was your choice to hang your hat on a place that had red flags.
I just can't understand Canadian pilots sometimes. We should be cheering on more companies and competition. Helps improve wages and ticket prices. Not snickering and hoping for their demise. Maybe it's insecurity so you can pat yourself on the back and validate your own career decisions.
When I worked at Air Canada I always thought it was funny. All we would do is bitch and moan in the flight deck about how shitty our company, management, union was ect ect. Complain about how Sunwing or Transat pilots worked less. Yet the minute you went to the bar with your buddies it was always like "when you gonna apply to AC? "
dumbbell daddy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:30 am
I just can't understand Canadian pilots sometimes. We should be cheering on more companies and competition. Helps improve wages and ticket prices. Not snickering and hoping for their demise. Maybe it's insecurity so you can pat yourself on the back and validate your own career decisions.
When I worked at Air Canada I always thought it was funny. All we would do is bitch and moan in the flight deck about how shitty our company, management, union was ect ect. Complain about how Sunwing or Transat pilots worked less. Yet the minute you went to the bar with your buddies it was always like "when you gonna apply to AC? "
My favourite is when I’m messaging friends to congratulate them on getting on with AC and in their first message back they throw in the “so when you coming to AC?” as if I also wanna be not affording rent and living with my parents LOL
dumbbell daddy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:30 am
I just can't understand Canadian pilots sometimes. We should be cheering on more companies and competition. Helps improve wages and ticket prices. Not snickering and hoping for their demise. Maybe it's insecurity so you can pat yourself on the back and validate your own career decisions.
Keep dreaming... ULCCs like Swoop, Flair ETC don't do this. They hurt the industry for the worker with the race to the bottom.
dumbbell daddy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:30 am
I just can't understand Canadian pilots sometimes. We should be cheering on more companies and competition. Helps improve wages and ticket prices. Not snickering and hoping for their demise. Maybe it's insecurity so you can pat yourself on the back and validate your own career decisions.
When I worked at Air Canada I always thought it was funny. All we would do is bitch and moan in the flight deck about how shitty our company, management, union was ect ect. Complain about how Sunwing or Transat pilots worked less. Yet the minute you went to the bar with your buddies it was always like "when you gonna apply to AC? "
My favourite is when I’m messaging friends to congratulate them on getting on with AC and in their first message back they throw in the “so when you coming to AC?” as if I also wanna be not affording rent and living with my parents LOL
Ignorant comment - AC provides a lot more financial reward combined with long term security. Very short term logic
dumbbell daddy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:30 am
I just can't understand Canadian pilots sometimes. We should be cheering on more companies and competition. Helps improve wages and ticket prices. Not snickering and hoping for their demise. Maybe it's insecurity so you can pat yourself on the back and validate your own career decisions.
Keep dreaming... ULCCs like Swoop, Flair ETC don't do this. They hurt the industry for the worker with the race to the bottom.
Strange, flair fo's make more than AC for several years......
dumbbell daddy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:30 am
I just can't understand Canadian pilots sometimes. We should be cheering on more companies and competition. Helps improve wages and ticket prices. Not snickering and hoping for their demise. Maybe it's insecurity so you can pat yourself on the back and validate your own career decisions.
When I worked at Air Canada I always thought it was funny. All we would do is bitch and moan in the flight deck about how shitty our company, management, union was ect ect. Complain about how Sunwing or Transat pilots worked less. Yet the minute you went to the bar with your buddies it was always like "when you gonna apply to AC? "
I blame all the lead poisoning, the tall blade of grass gets cut first
dumbbell daddy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:30 am
I just can't understand Canadian pilots sometimes. We should be cheering on more companies and competition. Helps improve wages and ticket prices. Not snickering and hoping for their demise. Maybe it's insecurity so you can pat yourself on the back and validate your own career decisions.
When I worked at Air Canada I always thought it was funny. All we would do is bitch and moan in the flight deck about how shitty our company, management, union was ect ect. Complain about how Sunwing or Transat pilots worked less. Yet the minute you went to the bar with your buddies it was always like "when you gonna apply to AC? "
My favourite is when I’m messaging friends to congratulate them on getting on with AC and in their first message back they throw in the “so when you coming to AC?” as if I also wanna be not affording rent and living with my parents LOL
Ignorant comment - AC provides a lot more financial reward combined with long term security. Very short term logic
What good is that when you miss the boat on housing and living life? Skip enjoying your 30's in the hopes that your health and happiness are there at 40 when you can finally afford not not have a room mate
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This could be a very crucial time for Flair operations in that with the sudden demise of Lynx the travelling public may stay away from ULCC travel with its associated risks. It is in the public domain about cancelled vacations, stranded with additional costs to get back home and refunds of invalid fares. This is all to common with short notice airline closures. Just saying.
