YVR destinations

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Any info on the destinations out of YVR with the base opening?

[Chaxterium]

Any info on the destinations out of YVR with the base opening?

They haven't announced any new routes yet.

[accountant]

Any info on the destinations out of YVR with the base opening?

They haven't announced any new routes yet.

If they could make western routes work that would be great and add more capacity to some markets that need it.

Do turns YVR -- YYC (or YEG) -- saskatchewan or winnipeg and then back....

[8895]

Probably a long ways off if at all, but if ETOPS ever happens I think YVR to Hawaii would be a great market for Porter. Realistically for now though who knows. With the frequency we have outta YVR I imagine the biggest motivator for opening the base is IROPS recovery tbh.

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Sorry maybe a stupid question, but does the E2 have the range for Hawaii?

[CaptDukeNukem]

Sorry maybe a stupid question, but does the E2 have the range for Hawaii?

On paper, yes. Realistically….. to be determined.

The E190-E2 has better legs than the 195. Maybe porter takes a couple of those?

[flyinhigh]

Sorry maybe a stupid question, but does the E2 have the range for Hawaii?

Larger issue would be ETOPS.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Sorry maybe a stupid question, but does the E2 have the range for Hawaii?

Larger issue would be ETOPS.

And now approved for ETOPS 120

[flyinhigh]

Sorry maybe a stupid question, but does the E2 have the range for Hawaii?

Larger issue would be ETOPS.

And now approved for ETOPS 120

120 is a huge up gauge and will help for Dominican, etc but on Hawaii it wouldn't as there would be roughly a 600nm section uncovered.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Larger issue would be ETOPS.

And now approved for ETOPS 120

120 is a huge up gauge and will help for Dominican, etc but on Hawaii it wouldn't as there would be roughly a 600nm section uncovered.

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Yes you’re right. Two hours not quite enough, but certainly a start. ETOPS 180 I think is required for Hawaii flights. I remember southwest had to go as far as having proving flights and extra hoops to jump through to be able to go there.

[flyinhigh]

And now approved for ETOPS 120

120 is a huge up gauge and will help for Dominican, etc but on Hawaii it wouldn't as there would be roughly a 600nm section uncovered.

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Yes you’re right. Two hours not quite enough, but certainly a start. ETOPS 180 I think is required for Hawaii flights. I remember southwest had to go as far as having proving flights and extra hoops to jump through to be able to go there.

Agreed. Now that 120 is completed, I would imagine 180 will be not to far off. Where could we go with the range of this thing, mmmm.

[modi13]

Where could we go with the range of this thing, mmmm.

Considering the great-circle distance from YVR to Hawaii is 2350 NM, and the nominal range of the E2 in still winds is 2655 NM, I would bet not to Hawaii. As soon as there's a breath of wind or anything other than a direct routing it wouldn't be physically possible, even if you didn't factor in alternates and reserves.

The short range the E2 has compared to its competitors is another reason it was a terrible choice and no other North American airlines will buy them. If Porter had sprung for the A220 they could have had the same seating capacity, which they keep claiming over and over is the ideal number and definitely not a hindrance, but with an extra 1000 NM range. I bet Airbus wanted a down-payment that Porter couldn't make, so now they're stuck with a regional jet that's going to limit their route choices.

[8895]

Where could we go with the range of this thing, mmmm.

Considering the great-circle distance from YVR to Hawaii is 2350 NM, and the nominal range of the E2 in still winds is 2655 NM, I would bet not to Hawaii. As soon as there's a breath of wind or anything other than a direct routing it wouldn't be physically possible, even if you didn't factor in alternates and reserves.

The short range the E2 has compared to its competitors is another reason it was a terrible choice and no other North American airlines will buy them. If Porter had sprung for the A220 they could have had the same seating capacity, which they keep claiming over and over is the ideal number and definitely not a hindrance, but with an extra 1000 NM range. I bet Airbus wanted a down-payment that Porter couldn't make, so now they're stuck with a regional jet that's going to limit their route choices.

In a perfect world I agree that porter would have 220’s as they’re more versatile, but there’s no way they would’ve been able to secure delivery slots for those fast enough to establish the marketshare they need. If you’re gonna turn a duopoly into an oligopoly you need to act fast.

[cjp]

Where could we go with the range of this thing, mmmm.

Considering the great-circle distance from YVR to Hawaii is 2350 NM, and the nominal range of the E2 in still winds is 2655 NM, I would bet not to Hawaii. As soon as there's a breath of wind or anything other than a direct routing it wouldn't be physically possible, even if you didn't factor in alternates and reserves.

The short range the E2 has compared to its competitors is another reason it was a terrible choice and no other North American airlines will buy them. If Porter had sprung for the A220 they could have had the same seating capacity, which they keep claiming over and over is the ideal number and definitely not a hindrance, but with an extra 1000 NM range. I bet Airbus wanted a down-payment that Porter couldn't make, so now they're stuck with a regional jet that's going to limit their route choices.

In a perfect world I agree that porter would have 220’s as they’re more versatile, but there’s no way they would’ve been able to secure delivery slots for those fast enough to establish the marketshare they need. If you’re gonna turn a duopoly into an oligopoly you need to act fast.

And preferably not with the same equipment your competition is running.

[goingnowherefast]

Embraer needed a north america launch customer. E2 was available sooner and cheaper than C-Series. What's a better plane is dependent upon need and availability.

Porter has the agreement with TS. Not sure ETOPS routes are where Porter plans to expand when TS can already do that flying through the JV. Augment and feed to each other's strengths instead of compete.

Does Transat want to send their ETOPS planes with range YYZ to YUL, back and forth? Or do they want to send them across the Atlantic? Cause Porter can do the domestic stuff feeding while Transat's ETOPS routes.

[Canadaflyer46]

I can’t believe there’s a serious discussion about the E2 doing 6 hour flights across the Pacific. It’s a horrendous enough experience on a 37

[Chaxterium]

I can’t believe there’s a serious discussion about the E2 doing 6 hour flights across the Pacific. It’s a horrendous enough experience on a 37

Yep. And as a pilot on the E2 I can tell you I have zero interest. @#$! YYZ-YVR is too long for me. Give me YOW, YUL, and YHZ turns all day and I'm a happy pilot.

[VFS]

I can’t believe there’s a serious discussion about the E2 doing 6 hour flights across the Pacific. It’s a horrendous enough experience on a 37

Yep. And as a pilot on the E2 I can tell you I have zero interest. @#$! YYZ-YVR is too long for me. Give me YOW, YUL, and YHZ turns all day and I'm a happy pilot.

Second that!

I’ve done YYZ-SFO with a significant headwind and well over 5 hour leg. Terrible experience.

[twa22]

Curious to know why you find a yyz-sfo or yvr leg that bad? Is it because of the E2? Or is it simply because it's too long time wise, and it wouldn't matter what plane you were doing it on?

[Chaxterium]

Curious to know why you find a yyz-sfo or yvr leg that bad? Is it because of the E2? Or is it simply because it's too long time wise, and it wouldn't matter what plane you were doing it on?

It doesn't matter what I'm flying. After 2.5 hours I'm ready to be on the ground. The E2 is great. Except for the seats.

[flyinhigh]

Curious to know why you find a yyz-sfo or yvr leg that bad? Is it because of the E2? Or is it simply because it's too long time wise, and it wouldn't matter what plane you were doing it on?

It doesn't matter what I'm flying. After 2.5 hours I'm ready to be on the ground. The E2 is great. Except for the seats.

Doesn't matter the plane, after 5 hours my arse is sore.

[twa22]

Curious to know why you find a yyz-sfo or yvr leg that bad? Is it because of the E2? Or is it simply because it's too long time wise, and it wouldn't matter what plane you were doing it on?

It doesn't matter what I'm flying. After 2.5 hours I'm ready to be on the ground. The E2 is great. Except for the seats.

I personally would rather fly 1-2 longer legs a day, then do 3-4 legs a day, but to each their own, everyone has different preferences.

[Flaps_30]

Curious to know why you find a yyz-sfo or yvr leg that bad? Is it because of the E2? Or is it simply because it's too long time wise, and it wouldn't matter what plane you were doing it on?

It doesn't matter what I'm flying. After 2.5 hours I'm ready to be on the ground. The E2 is great. Except for the seats.

Doesn't matter the plane, after 5 hours my arse is sore.

What is the E2 like to fly in terms of comfort and spaciousness?

[flyinhigh]

What is the E2 like to fly in terms of comfort and spaciousness?

Plane is fine, fun bird and well designed over the originals.

Flight deck could have been extended by about 6-12 inches which would have made all the difference for when someone is in the jumpseat.

Nobody in the jumpseat than it’s like any other plane.

[Chaxterium]

What is the E2 like to fly in terms of comfort and spaciousness?

I love the plane but the seats are absolutely atrocious. After about 3 hours in the sit my tailbone starts to hurt quite a bit. Aside from that it's awesome.