New Hire Sims?

[A310Heavy]

Word is you have to do a sim eval now to get hired?

Anyone know the details or why they are doing this?

[indieadventurer]

Decreasing levels of applicant experience.

It'll only apply if candidates don't meet a minimum experience level though, it's not for everyone.

[PittBoss]

Interesting.

What experience level is AC hiring these days

Encore here is going below 500 total time already and last what I heard Jazz also hired below. 500

[Me262]

Interesting.

What experience level is AC hiring these days

Encore here is going below 500 total time already and last what I heard Jazz also hired below. 500

Encore was 250 until summer last year, it's 750 now actually. Jazz is 500. The under 500hrs are for integrated ATPs for top student in their class.

AC is 2000hrs

[hithere]

So AC will hire with less than 2000hrs total time as long as you successfully pass a sim eval?
What aircraft is the sim eval on?

[Me262]

So AC will hire with less than 2000hrs total time as long as you successfully pass a sim eval?
What aircraft is the sim eval on?

No, AC won't hire you with less than 2000hrs. If you only have 2000hrs or close, maybe that's when the SIM eval will come into play, because a lot of low timers (close to 2000) failed their rides.

[cdnavater]

So AC will hire with less than 2000hrs total time as long as you successfully pass a sim eval?
What aircraft is the sim eval on?

No, AC won't hire you with less than 2000hrs. If you only have 2000hrs or close, maybe that's when the SIM eval will come into play, because a lot of low timers (close to 2000) failed their rides.

Me262, correct me if I’m wrong but you are a new hire at Jazz with less than 1000 hours, how would you know what AC is doing? In fact, I don’t know what AC is doing with their current requirements, only what I’ve heard and I’ve been around a long, long time.
The only constant in aviation is change, they are adapting to the new reality and that reality is, they are running out of 2000+ applicants.

[dumpsterfire]

It should be clear that sim evals are necessary because there is a pay shortage at Air Canada not a pilot shortage

This management team would rather saves pennies by taking what they can get versus actually trying to attract experienced pilots from other carriers.

[cdnavater]

It should be clear that sim evals are necessary because there is a pay shortage at Air Canada not a pilot shortage

This management team would rather saves pennies by taking what they can get versus actually trying to attract experienced pilots from other carriers.

100%, at both AC and Jazz

[eurotrash]

It should be clear that sim evals are necessary because there is a pay shortage at Air Canada not a pilot shortage

This management team would rather saves pennies by taking what they can get versus actually trying to attract experienced pilots from other carriers.

Does United, Delta, American, etc have "sim evals"?

Take a wild guess...because they actually PAY FOR EXPERIENCE

[CaptDukeNukem]

It should be clear that sim evals are necessary because there is a pay shortage at Air Canada not a pilot shortage

This management team would rather saves pennies by taking what they can get versus actually trying to attract experienced pilots from other carriers.

100%, at both AC and Jazz

Pay shortage? I thought you got a 30% raise at jazz and voted yes. If you thought it was a shortage, you should have said no.

[cdnavater]

It should be clear that sim evals are necessary because there is a pay shortage at Air Canada not a pilot shortage

This management team would rather saves pennies by taking what they can get versus actually trying to attract experienced pilots from other carriers.

100%, at both AC and Jazz

Pay shortage? I thought you got a 30% raise at jazz and voted yes. If you thought it was a shortage, you should have said no.

We did and said all along it wasn’t enough and we continue to hire low experience, almost none who could go Captain in less than a year. I have said, it was a raise with almost no strings attached, why wouldn’t we take it. The fact we did accept it and it continues to show no results yet they have not come back with more says all it needs to say, that was the max they were willing to give, at least until they are done with the AC negotiations.
We will also see the results of the unfair labour practices(pl.), likely before they’re done as well, I believe the result of that could be the restoration of the contract that was agreed to by Jazz and our MEC before AC stepped in, some type of financial remedy for the harm done to Jazz pilots, etc.
We will have no choice but to continue to shrink to reflect the amount of available Captains unless they do something that will make Jazz more competitive. What that is, I couldn’t say, pay certainty part of that but I think it’s the path to AC that nobody trusts anymore. Combine that with the lower pay and you can see why nobody with experience is opting for Jazz.

[sullecpt]

Original post was from April 1st. I'm guessing sim evals was an April fools prank.

[sportingrifle]

Sim evals are real and being selectively applied in the case of certain applicants. Evals are done in the 767 sim. Consideration currently being given to sim evals for all candidates as in years past.

[aeronauticaldisaster]

Sim evals are real and being selectively applied in the case of certain applicants. Evals are done in the 767 sim. Consideration currently being given to sim evals for all candidates as in years past.

SportingRifle,

Is there a single US legacy carrier that needs to do Sim Evals?

And why is there a sudden need for Sim Evals at Air Canada? Is the quality decreasing?

I thought there was no pilot shortage at Air Canada. The only carrier that somehow doesn't have one according to our crack team of managers

[sportingrifle]

Air Canada used to assume that by the time a person had an ATPL, 2000 hours, and a 705 Type Endorsement, that they could fly an airplane. Historically the assumption for the mist part held true. That assumption is now being challenged and has nothing to do with pay.

[Col. Panic]

Air Canada used to assume that by the time a person had an ATPL, 2000 hours, and a 705 Type Endorsement, that they could fly an airplane. Historically the assumption for the mist part held true. That assumption is now being challenged and has nothing to do with pay.

I would argue that it does have SOMETHING to do with pay… with the right WAWCON package, there would be many more highly qualified applicants, and hopefully those who are not quite ready would get some more experience to bring to the table a year or two down the line.

[sportingrifle]

Pay didn’t used to affect how well you flew an airplane, but did affect to a large degree how long you stayed in a job. I worked some very poorly paid jobs and learned to fly an airplane pretty damn well. Subsequently the sim ride at AC for both myself and my new hire colleagues was a fun non-event.

I can’t comment in detail but it would be fair to say that AC is seeing pilot applicants that meet the same requirements on paper that they have historically seen, but with much shallower backgrounds. There is no doubt that the increase in flat pay from 1 to 4 years prevents many desirable candidates from applying, but there are many other factors in play that are creating issues. I am sure the training department has been identifying common factors amongst unsuccessful candidates.

[ShillBill]

Air Canada used to assume that by the time a person had an ATPL, 2000 hours, and a 705 Type Endorsement, that they could fly an airplane. Historically the assumption for the mist part held true. That assumption is now being challenged and has nothing to do with pay.

LOL!!

There are some dumb fuks at AC aren't there

[noreasterYHZ]

Pay didn’t used to affect how well you flew an airplane, but did affect to a large degree how long you stayed in a job. I worked some very poorly paid jobs and learned to fly an airplane pretty damn well. Subsequently the sim ride at AC for both myself and my new hire colleagues was a fun non-event.

I can’t comment in detail but it would be fair to say that AC is seeing pilot applicants that meet the same requirements on paper that they have historically seen, but with much shallower backgrounds. There is no doubt that the increase in flat pay from 1 to 4 years prevents many desirable candidates from applying, but there are many other factors in play that are creating issues. I am sure the training department has been identifying common factors amongst unsuccessful candidates.

I'm sure it is pretty easy to figure out. Air Canada pilot managers have told their overlords that there are no problems with attracting talent thanks to the fact pilots like to fly widebodies.

Watch any Executive speak about the pilot shortage and they say exactly this. They deny there are any issues

Problem is said pilot managers are as clueless and out to lunch as their ACPA counterparts were. Mostly due to the fact they themselves are dinosaur ex ACPA Reps. They have no plan other than to say how it was in 1988.

Meanwhile, every US legacy carrier has industry leading contracts in addition to comprehensive training programs to equip themselves with top pilot talent

Air Canada has neither and instead of taking any responsibility, they now are reacting to the environment they have created.

I'm sure the training department is loving the "take what we can get with poverty wages" strategy. Sure Jazz is loving this as well

[CaptDukeNukem]

I really hope the sim ride includes a raw data NDB hold.

[sportingrifle]

Steep turns, 2 engine non- precision approach, single engine ILS. Speeds , pitch, and power settings all given to you beforehand, all raw data. Pretty basic stuff. (Unless you are one of the few who has spent 2000+ hours in an airplane and managed to avoid acquiring the most basic of flying skills . Or fudged their logbook.)

[GeoffPilot]

Steep turns, 2 engine non- precision approach, single engine ILS. Speeds , pitch, and power settings all given to you beforehand, all raw data. Pretty basic stuff. (Unless you are one of the few who has spent 2000+ hours in an airplane and managed to avoid acquiring the most basic of flying skills . Or fudged their logbook.)

You're really not getting it SportingRifle...what is the root issue here...the sim eval or the fact Air Canada now NEEDS a sim eval to weed out candidates?

Why do properly compensated airlines NOT need this??

[sportingrifle]

Air Canada used sim evals for many decades up until about 2004 or so. Not sure why they stopped. Probably $$$. No issue at all if you have some basic flying skills.

I am not sure why confirming that a candidate has the baseline aptitude and ability that they claim to have and that they need to do a job bothers you so much?

[ShillBill]

Air Canada used sim evals for many decades up until about 2004 or so. Not sure why they stopped. Probably $$$. No issue at all if you have some basic flying skills.

I am not sure why confirming that a candidate has the baseline aptitude and ability that they claim to have and that they need to do a job bothers you so much?

Company Shills really have a tough time with "Industry Practices"

Why is that any major Airline with Industry Leading wages DO NOT have to do sim evals?

Are you so drunk on company shill kool-aid your brain cannot comprehend anything outside of Dixon Road?