Gun fired in Aircraft in Miami

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:53 pm

Anyone with info?

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:58 pm

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/12/07/ai ... index.html

Official: Marshal shoots passenger on Jetway at Miami airport

Wednesday, December 7, 2005 Posted: 1955 GMT (0355 HKT)

MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- A person was shot and wounded on the Jetway to an American Airlines passenger jet that was at the terminal at Miami International Airport, an airline official said.

A federal official told CNN that the passenger was shot by a federal air marshal, who felt the passenger was acting in a threatening manner, the official said.

The weapon was fired on the Jetway to Flight 924, which was on a stopover in Miami during a flight from Medellin, Colombia, to Orlando, Florida, police said.

The Boeing 757, which can hold about 180 passengers, was due to take off for Orlando at 2:18 p.m. ET.

Footage from the scene showed police cars and what appeared to be SWAT vehicles surrounding the plane. Several officers wielding rifles were running toward and around the plane.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:31 pm

That'll teach 'em to complain about the service!

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:36 pm

By JOHN PAIN, Associated Press Writer
10 minutes ago

MIAMI - A passenger who claimed to have a bomb in a carry-on bag was shot by a federal air marshal Wednesday on a jetway connected to an American Airlines plane that had just arrived from Colombia, officials said.

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The passenger's condition was not immediately disclosed.

Homeland Security Department spokesman Brian Doyle said after the plane had parked at the gate, a passenger indicated there was a bomb in the bag. The passenger was confronted by air marshals but ran off the plane, Doyle said.

A team of air marshals pursued and ordered the passenger to get on the ground. The passenger did not comply and was shot when apparently reaching into a bag, Doyle said.

The plane, Flight 924, had just arrived from Medellin, Colombia, and was headed on to Orlando.

Airport and Miami-Dade County police officials said they had no immediate comment. American Airlines officials confirmed the shooting was on a jetway.

"All I know is that it was on the jet bridge, outside the aircraft," American spokesman Tim Wagner said. "I don't know yet if the passenger had been on the plane and was getting off, or was starting to board the aircraft."

Martin Gonzalez, spokesman for Colombia's civil aviation agency, said the flight "left normally with no problems."

He said he did not have a list of passengers who were aboard the plane.

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Associated Press writers Mark Sherman and Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington contributed to this report.

FL410 · Post by **FL410** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:17 pm

Wow...shot and killed.

MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- Federal air marshals shot and killed a 44-year-old U.S. citizen on a boarding bridge at Miami International Airport after he said he had a bomb, several sources familiar with the incident told CNN.

Flight 924 was in Miami on a stopover during a flight from Medellin, Colombia, to Orlando, Florida, when the man said there was a bomb in his carry-on luggage, a Department of Homeland Security official said.

He was confronted by a team of federal air marshals, who pursued the man down the boarding bridge and ordered him to get on the ground, the official said. ( Watch scene after the incident -- 1:31)

When the man appeared to reach into his baggage, at least one shot was fired by the marshals, wounding the man, the official said, adding that the marshals' actions were consistent with their training. Officials said later that the man had died of his injuries.

Upon investigation, there was no evidence that the man had a bomb, an official said.

This is the first time an air marshal has fired a weapon on or near an airplane, a federal official said.

Footage from the scene shows armed SWAT team members carrying rifles outside the aircraft, along with more than a dozen of police vehicles. Paramedics were standing on the stairway to the aircraft.

The Boeing 757, which can hold about 180 passengers, was due to take off for Orlando at 2:18 p.m. ET. It had arrived in Miami at 12:16 p.m. ET, according to the airline's Web site. No other flights at Miami International were disrupted Wednesday, an airport official said.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:10 pm

Well in our airports they have the big signs that state "don't say the B word" and well guess in the states they just shoot you for saying it..

I think it works quite well, wonder what our security forces would have done?

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:25 pm

You wouldn't be able to understand their english in the first place so who knows.

"Say again?"

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:32 pm

Alpizar was traveling with a woman and had arrived in Miami on a plane from Ecuador, federal officials said. He and the woman began arguing before getting off the plane in Miami, two officials said.

After he got off the plane in Miami and went through customs, he got on the Orlando-bound plane and said he had a bomb, Air Marshal Service spokesman Dave Adams said.

Air marshals asked him to get off the plane, which he did, but when they asked him to put his bag down, he refused, Adams said. Alpizar then approached the marshals in an aggressive manner, at which point two or three shots were fired, he said.

What a loss to humanity.

If an armed peace officer / authority figure points a gun at me and asks me to do something... I'm probably going to do it. One less yoyo on the planet.

I'm sure his family will sue now.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:42 pm

"I think it works quite well, wonder what our security forces would have done?"

Asked him to take off his shoes and confiscate his nail file.

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:50 pm

They'd take one look at my toe nails and give the file back.

Lommer · Post by **Lommer** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:04 pm

Gelbisch, a possible conclusion one could draw from that evidence is a case of police-assisted suicide. Guy just breaks up with his girlfriend, gets depressed, quickest way out that he sees is getting shot by an airmarshal, so he does what it takes to get shot.

No, this is not neccesarily what happened and it is not even probably what happened. It is just idle speculation and food for thought from an armchair quarterback.

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:10 pm

Still a wingnut then. (Assuming your speculation is correct.) And an idiot for making someone go through killing another person.

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:59 pm

the local news tonight reported that 'his wife' tried to warn the air marshal that her 'husband' was bipolar, he didn't have a bomb, and hadn't taken his meds. Shortly after they shot him when he put his hand in his bag.

Yoyoma · Post by **Yoyoma** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:07 pm

gelbisch wrote: What a loss to humanity.

If an armed peace officer / authority figure points a gun at me and asks me to do something... I'm probably going to do it. One less yoyo on the planet.

I'm sure his family will sue now.

I always get painted with the same brush as these nutbags! I didn't threathen the Air Marshal. I just french kissed him OK!!??!!

Flying Low · Post by **Flying Low** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:32 pm

These guys have to make a split second decision. Personally, I support the Air Marshal's actions based on what I've heard so far. If someone points a gun at you and says freeze I suggest you do so! You can sort it out if you put your hands up...it's hard to sort out the the hole in your chest if you don't comply.

As for the possibility of assisted suicide or mental illness. Somehow I don't think the Air Marshal has time to do a psychological assessment on the individual who may or may not be reaching for a gun, bomb trigger, etc. As for the warning from the wife...not good enough as she may be in on any plan.

The Hammer · Post by **The Hammer** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:51 pm

I guess he couldn't defend himself cause he was the only guy in Miami without a gun

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:39 pm

Lommer wrote:Gelbisch, a possible conclusion one could draw from that evidence is a case of police-assisted suicide. Guy just breaks up with his girlfriend, gets depressed, quickest way out that he sees is getting shot by an airmarshal, so he does what it takes to get shot..

I remember watching Airplane 2, your life insurance policy is null and void in that case... =)

Lommer · Post by **Lommer** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:33 pm

Oi, don't take me the wrong way, even if it was police-assisted suicide I still support the air marshall's decision can't feel more sorry for him given how he must feel right now.

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:11 am

Starting to sound like he never actually said he had a bomb. The latest report was the someone said SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES of him having a bomb. If he really wanted to blow up an airplane, why tell everyone as you are going down the jetway to board it? If you wanted to blow up the terminal why wait till you are going down a jetway to board an aircraft? Lots of things don't make alot of sense. Typical U.S. over reaction.

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:55 am

So nice of you to say BCflyer.
I can see you've never had to make a quick decision that would affect the safety of others.

I'm sure there has never been an incident with the RCMP that have resulted in a death of some nut bag.

Must be nice to live in a perfect world.

I'd shoot his ass, in a heart beat.

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:04 am

Ditto for me.

Play by the rules or pay the consequences. The world's too big and there's the safety of far too many "normal" people at stake for catering to the needs of every nutbag off his meds.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:08 am

He acted hinky for sure, and from the accounts I have read he was pretty agitated, but did he actually deserve to die for his behaviour?
I just think it's too bad that he lost his life.
Are the air marshalls issued with tasers also or just guns?

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:44 am

Nark, the guys running AWAY from an airplane, his wife is screaming that he's bipolar and off his meds, and they shoot him 4 - 6 times? Give me a break. Use some common sense. You're telling me that there is no way to stop someone from reaching into his bag without killing him? These guys are toted as being one of the most highly trained forces around. They're bringing loaded weapons onto our aircraft on a regular basis. I don't think its unreasonable to demand the highest level of skill possible. I for one, hope that their training would involve more than just how to "shoot to kill"
If you really are a marine, as your profile states, then your last statement "I'd shoot his ass, in a heartbeat" is pretty symbolic of why so many people dislike the U.S. in the first place. Shoot first, ask questions later.[/quote]

JBI · Post by **JBI** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:00 am

justplanecrazy · Post by **justplanecrazy** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:16 pm

bcflyer wrote:Nark, the guys running AWAY from an airplane, his wife is screaming that he's bipolar and off his meds, and they shoot him 4 - 6 times? Give me a break. Use some common sense. You're telling me that there is no way to stop someone from reaching into his bag without killing him? These guys are toted as being one of the most highly trained forces around. They're bringing loaded weapons onto our aircraft on a regular basis. I don't think its unreasonable to demand the highest level of skill possible. I for one, hope that their training would involve more than just how to "shoot to kill"

If you really are a marine, as your profile states, then your last statement "I'd shoot his ass, in a heartbeat" is pretty symbolic of why so many people dislike the U.S. in the first place. Shoot first, ask questions later.

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BC Flyer give your head a shake. I used to have a job where I was armed in public and let me say from what I've heard so far the Marshall did exactly the right thing. I love it when a hippy tries to critique someone facing life and death situations while he sits at home at his computer. Go smoke your grass elsewhere. Here's how you're brilliant plan would have panned out if indeed the person was a suicide bomber:

NETANYA, Israel - A Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up among shoppers outside a mall Monday, killing at least five people and putting pressure on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon for a tough response ahead of a fierce election campaign.

Sharon held an emergency meeting of his security Cabinet to decide how to respond to the attack, which wounded 40 people, while Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas threatened his own strong action against those responsible.

An Israeli driver who spotted the bomber carrying a suspicious bag toward the mall alerted police. A mall security guard hustled him away from the entrance and pushed him against a wall, where the bomber detonated his explosives. The guard was among the five people killed, police said.
"If the bomber had gotten in, the result would have been much worse," said Israel's police chief, Moshe Karadi.

The bombing was the fifth since a truce took effect last February.

Islamic Jihad, a militant group that has carried out all five of the attacks, claimed responsibility for Monday's bombing, saying it was retaliation for Israeli killings of the group's leaders.

Israel and the Palestinians are in the middle of election campaigns, and more violence could hurt both Sharon and Abbas, who say they support returning to the internationally backed "road map" peace plan.

The blast shattered windows and pocked the outside of the brown multistory building. Pieces of concrete were ripped off the facade, blood stained the walls and debris littered the sidewalk.

More than a half hour after the bombing, one body lay on the ground, its blackened legs sticking out from under a blanket, while another lay nearby under a sheet. Emergency workers rushed wheeled stretchers with the wounded toward ambulances.

The attack occurred before noon, when a man carrying a black bag crossed the street in front of the Sharon Mall in the seaside city of Netanya. An off-duty security guard waiting at a red light noticed the man and alerted police in the car behind him — in a scene caught on security cameras and broadcast on Israel's Channel Two TV.

"Within a second, I knew he looked suspicious," the driver, Nir Hudra, told The Associated Press.

Policewoman Shoshi Attia got out of her car and approached the man, but he started running, she said.

When he put his left hand in the bag, Attia screamed "Terrorist! Terrorist! Take his hand out of the bag," she told Israeli media from her hospital bed. "Then people started running, crossing the street, running in every direction."

A security guard pushed the bomber away from the crowd waiting to get in, she said.

"I was looking (the bomber) in the eye and he pressed (the button) and blew up. I flew, and all I remember is that I was looking in his eye, I saw his gaze," she said.

The huge explosion, also caught on security cameras, sent smoke billowing into the sky and debris flying and clattering to the ground.

And I'm sure if this had been the outcome you'd be on here posting how pathetic it was that we pay for Air Marshalls yet 5 people died as a result of him not taking the threat seriously.