AC Jazz sim eval

Josh5 · Post by **Josh5** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:52 pm

Hey all, was wondering if any of you who did a recent DH 8 sim eval will post the expierence. Any info would be great for all of us.
Thanks

Beavis · Post by **Beavis** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:12 pm

I did it in YVR a few days ago, so this may vary depending on your location. You have about 40 minutes to look over the instruction sheet of speeds, profiles, power settings and SOP calls prior to going into the sim. The only speeds you really have to remember are 150 for cruise, initial part of approach, hold, and 120 for final approach. Upon eneering the sim (your choice what seat you take), and an intruductory tour of the cockpit it is off and flying. Take off from YVR, Rwy 26L, climb runway heading to 3000', turn left towards YVR VOR, Two steep turns (one left, one right, PNF bumps up the power for you). The power levers are sensitive, so it is helpful to have the PNF make the adjustments for you. Given Hold at VR beacon, after the entry cleared for full procedure NDB 26L, missed approach, vectors into downwind left RWY 26L, shut down engine due to fire, fly a vectored single engine ILS approach to a full stop landing, set parking brake. The DH-8-100 flies nice, relatively stable (for a sim), nothing happens too quickly. The best part of the whole experience were the Jazz pilots / sim instructors - very professinal, friendly, and clearly going out of their way to make the experience a good one for the person being evaluated.

yellow donkey · Post by **yellow donkey** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:03 am

Is the YYZ Sim Eval done on the Dash 8-100 as well? What's the routing?

Thanks!
BC

.25flap · Post by **.25flap** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:59 am

I havnt done the sim in yyz yet, but it sounds the same as the yvr sim but off I think 06 in yyz.

It was posted a while back !! I guess I better go find it!!!!!!!

Treetopflyer · Post by **Treetopflyer** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:09 am

Yup. As far as I know all are on 6L, holds at the britannia. NDB and or ILS on 6L.
Straight forward and the guys in the sim are really nice and helpful. Don't hesitate to use them for anything you need. Just watch the ititial take off. the DH8 is VERY pitchy. My suggestion: SLOW SLOW SLOW rotation.
DOn't sweat it.

pilotbzh · Post by **pilotbzh** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:42 pm

helps on v1 cut eh!

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:28 pm

All depends on who is doing your sim eval. Mine was in YYZ but it was flying out of YVR as it was YVR based pilots doing my sim eval. No big deal, they give you lots of time to look over the plates. (I never flew out west before but an approach is an approach so don't worry about it!)

Harry Bagina · Post by **Harry Bagina** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:03 am

Toronto sim eval. 06L , Lester 7 departure. Steep turns east of airport. Cleared then direct to Brittania NDB, for a hold. After entry, break off to get vectors NDB 06L. Minimums, there will be a go-around for one reason or another. In the missed, engine fire, then vectors back for the ILS 06L.

All I can say to anyone who's got a sim, the ride is standard, BUT, flying that rig is like flying a schoolbus with wings through a molasass storm! The plane is pitchy, needs large inputs, and kicks the smartass out of you in a hurry. Including myself, I have talked to 4 other pilots who did the sim, and we all say the same thing: ITS A WORKOUT, and you WILL not fly it even close to as well as you normally fly. These guys fly fast turbo-props, Jets, you name it. Be prepared to experience a shitshow in the beginning with altitude during steep turns. Whatever happens(and alot happened to me) keep it together mentally and never stop trying. They dont expect you to be a star, but I think they look at the whole picture including how well you fight back the tears(I did my crying in the rain). Anyone who says they banged off the ride well, I'll buy you a case of Lucky Beer in a heartbeat.

Good luck to all, and I'll see you at Jazz over a beer.

Traf · Post by **Traf** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:32 am

Here is some advice I got before my sim years ago:

The sim is a second chance for them to have an interview with you. Try to relax and have a good time. It is a stressful situation but line flying can be stressful sometimes. How you act under this pressure gives them an idea of how you will act on a dirty snowy day full of IROPS and flow control. If you make a mistake, don't worry about. That moment in time is gone. Move on to the next task at hand and don't waste brain power thinking about something that happened 5 minutes ago. It won't do you any good. The examiners biggest concern is CRM!!! Use the other guy as much as you need to. He is there to help you and is most likely very experienced,especially on type. A few brownie points will be scored if you include the FA in your emergency. Most guys coming off smaller turboprops have not flown with an FA but make sure that AFTER you have dealt with the emergency you ask PNF to brief the FA. If you show that you are thinking about and using ALL of your resources, that will make a good impression on the evaluators.

At the end of the sim, if you kept it right side up, used all available resources and the evaluators thought they could stand to do a 4 dayer with you, then you have done your job. Flight test standards on a new aircraft type, new sim (pitch sensitive at that), strange crew, strange SOPs etc... possible but not likely.That is not what they are looking for.

Good luck!!

2low · Post by **2low** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:55 am

Word!

Harry Bagina · Post by **Harry Bagina** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:29 pm

Nice post Traf. Although in the data sheet you study before the ride, they mention not to mention F/A, Alternates, Pax, etc. in briefings. Great post though, it sounded very logical and makes sense. Boy were those guys good at disarming an already stressfull situation. They really tried to keep you relaxed. Nice guys, and professional.

yellow donkey · Post by **yellow donkey** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:38 am

Thanks for all the input!

Hey Harry - So how did it all turn out for you? Get called for the medical? G/S?

BC

Quebecflyer · Post by **Quebecflyer** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:02 am

Thanks for posting all that info. Gives me a chance to prepare myself a little better. I'm doing both my sim and my medical on the same day next week in YYZ.

Does anyone know if the Jan 9th GS is full?

Harry Bagina · Post by **Harry Bagina** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:05 pm

Hi Buttercup. It worked out alright, I got the call for G/S! Good luck!

RADIOFLYER · Post by **RADIOFLYER** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:10 pm

Hello guys, I did my sim in CYYZ last week and wanted some feedback. To start they guys were super great , made a stressful situation not so bad. I did a good job with all their calls, crm and ifr but I had the toughest time controlling my pitch. I had not flown in a little over a year and had never been in a sim before. I have over 3700 hours and more than 2400 on a Convair 580. In the sim I was often over correcting sending me up and down, sometimes 500 to 800 feet. I never gave up, did well on everthing else, ndb tracking,approach, engine fire, overshoot and crm. Does anyone know if that was enough for a chance. Its not like thats how I have been flying thr Convair for the past 5 years.
Anyone with good news for me.

Traf · Post by **Traf** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:51 pm

If you kept it upright and handled the situation like a proffessional, regardless of how ugly it got, you have a good chance. They know that the sim is pitchy and a real bugger for someone not used to it. Think of it as a second iterview. If they throw a picthy, nasty sim at you and you handle it and come out of there smiling, you are doing all you need. Plus or minus a few hundred feet here and there are alot less important than you CRM and your attitude towards the whole experience.

2low · Post by **2low** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:22 pm

Don't worry you got the job. Im not joking. Welcome aboard

RADIOFLYER · Post by **RADIOFLYER** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:15 am

Well I sure hope so guys, I will keep you all posted. Thank you for the kind words. They bring some sun on a rainy day.

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