Does ALPA expel pilot groups that lower the bar?

[JBI]

I flowed to WJ a couple years ago, thanks. I'm enjoying the 737 immensely. .


What pay is that...like a $100k Canadian a year? Maybe?

Are pilots really bragging about making that kind of money? Embarassing

Saying I enjoy my job isn’t bragging about my pay. Big difference there. For what it’s worth, just facts, not a brag, I will make more than $100k this year.

I hope you have or will have a job that you enjoy. Life is too short to have a job you don’t enjoy.

[cjp]

I flowed to WJ a couple years ago, thanks. I'm enjoying the 737 immensely. .


What pay is that...like a $100k Canadian a year? Maybe?

Are pilots really bragging about making that kind of money? Embarassing

I hope you have or will have a job that you enjoy. Life is too short to have a job you don’t enjoy.

We agree on that.

[cdnavater]

surprising you feel the need to brag that you make more money than a Q400 pilot.

I wish there was more competition salary wise and Canadian Dash crews were suddenly making more, but alas Westjet Mainline pilots took the first offer to come across the table and Encore took the second. Industry needle didn't really move despite flight crews being firmly in the driver seat for negots. Shame really and to boot it'll be a while before those contracts are opened again.

We'll have to wait for Air Canada to hopefully make a move in the fall for the needle of the industry to finally find some momentum - hopefully.

I've always smiled hearing bush league.

I get the feeling your problem with WJ and Encore pilots not raising the bar(in your mind) is the fact your benchmarking won’t go up due to this, so you are basically calling out pilots for not helping your case.
I have an idea, grow a pair and start a movement towards ALPA representation at your operation and then you fight for the good of the pilot profession, we’re all counting on you.

Says the fella from Jazz. How's that working out for you? I know ALPA is a great organization, made great strides in the U.S, but it feels like we fall flat up here. Benchmarking would be great so we can go tit for tat on contracts. Competition works great for both the customer and the employees.

Unfortunately I have not seen a strong case yet to sign with ALPA to start thinking about paying dues for a lackluster showing so far. I know there is some grass level movement on the line for it at Porter.

The problem at Jazz was never ALPA, the problem was always another party willing to undercut us or sell us down the river for spite.
ACPA gave away scope protection in their contract that only allowed Jazz to operate tier 2, after that Sky Regional(Scab Regional) was having no trouble filling seats at much less pay, an airline of which you have many of those pilots working there now. It pains me to know their undercutting has paid off for them!
My point is simply that you are a hypocrite, you stand back and reap the rewards or complain if they don’t make your situation better, do your own heavy lifting.
By the way benchmarking is not improving, it’s matching for the most part and the single reason Porter is doing it is because they have to to fill seats, that will end someday!

[Hangry]

Only a Canadian pilot would advocate against a union. We are so pathetic.

Boomer logic at its finest.

[Stratopaused]

Westjet Mainline pilots took the first offer to come across the table and Encore took the second.

I don't think you understand how negotiating works if you think the company makes an offer and then the pilots vote on it immediately. Both of those contracts went through months and months of negotiations, and obviously neither employee group "took the first offer". You don't think the negotiating committees rejected offer after offer after offer?

[fish4life]

surprising you feel the need to brag that you make more money than a Q400 pilot.

I wish there was more competition salary wise and Canadian Dash crews were suddenly making more, but alas Westjet Mainline pilots took the first offer to come across the table and Encore took the second. Industry needle didn't really move despite flight crews being firmly in the driver seat for negots. Shame really and to boot it'll be a while before those contracts are opened again.

We'll have to wait for Air Canada to hopefully make a move in the fall for the needle of the industry to finally find some momentum - hopefully.

I've always smiled hearing bush league.

I get the feeling your problem with WJ and Encore pilots not raising the bar(in your mind) is the fact your benchmarking won’t go up due to this, so you are basically calling out pilots for not helping your case.
I have an idea, grow a pair and start a movement towards ALPA representation at your operation and then you fight for the good of the pilot profession, we’re all counting on you.

Says the fella from Jazz. How's that working out for you? I know ALPA is a great organization, made great strides in the U.S, but it feels like we fall flat up here. Benchmarking would be great so we can go tit for tat on contracts. Competition works great for both the customer and the employees.

Unfortunately I have not seen a strong case yet to sign with ALPA to start thinking about paying dues for a lackluster showing so far. I know there is some grass level movement on the line for it at Porter.

The most important reason to have ALPA representation is section 1 of every agreement and something Porter desperately needs BEFORE it becomes a problem.

[cjp]

I get the feeling your problem with WJ and Encore pilots not raising the bar(in your mind) is the fact your benchmarking won’t go up due to this, so you are basically calling out pilots for not helping your case.
I have an idea, grow a pair and start a movement towards ALPA representation at your operation and then you fight for the good of the pilot profession, we’re all counting on you.

Says the fella from Jazz. How's that working out for you? I know ALPA is a great organization, made great strides in the U.S, but it feels like we fall flat up here. Benchmarking would be great so we can go tit for tat on contracts. Competition works great for both the customer and the employees.

Unfortunately I have not seen a strong case yet to sign with ALPA to start thinking about paying dues for a lackluster showing so far. I know there is some grass level movement on the line for it at Porter.

The most important reason to have ALPA representation is section 1 of every agreement and something Porter desperately needs BEFORE it becomes a problem.

That...yes, you're not wrong.

[FelixGustof]

I flowed to WJ a couple years ago, thanks. I'm enjoying the 737 immensely. .


What pay is that...like a $100k Canadian a year? Maybe?

Are pilots really bragging about making that kind of money? Embarassing

Saying I enjoy my job isn’t bragging about my pay. Big difference there. For what it’s worth, just facts, not a brag, I will make more than $100k this year.

I hope you have or will have a job that you enjoy. Life is too short to have a job you don’t enjoy.

So if you like your job, it's OK to be the lowest paid 737 pilot in the industry?

Does Westjet throw wicked pizza parties or something?

$100k is an embarassing number. I make that and I'm guessing I'm half your age!

[JBI]

I flowed to WJ a couple years ago, thanks. I'm enjoying the 737 immensely. .

Saying I enjoy my job isn’t bragging about my pay. Big difference there. For what it’s worth, just facts, not a brag, I will make more than $100k this year.

I hope you have or will have a job that you enjoy. Life is too short to have a job you don’t enjoy.

So if you like your job, it's OK to be the lowest paid 737 pilot in the industry?

Does Westjet throw wicked pizza parties or something?

$100k is an embarassing number. I make that and I'm guessing I'm half your age!

That's great that you make $100k!

But yes, you do sound very young and unfortunately lack some basic reading comprehension and logical reasoning skills.

You do have a unique post history. In your first post in 2022 you say you just finished High School and are considering getting into aviation. Your posts then seem to troll Air Canada quite a bit. But, my favourite is this one from last year:

It was an impressive campaign and great to see them secure 1 Operating Certificate which will change the fabric of aviation in this country

Hopefully all airlines join ALPA Moving forward so pilots don't make the same mistakes again. Scope needs to be priority #1

Things are finally improving in this country

Well done WestJet pilots

Now you seem to suggest that WJ pilots are the lowest paid 737 pilots (which isn't correct). I tend not to give trolls too much of my time, but for others who may still be reading at this point.

I enjoy my job. Pay is important, but so is schedule, quality of life, and other details of the job. I make more than $100k and that's all the info I will give to someone like yourself. Notice that's not a brag. With patterned bargaining, there has been a solid foundation set with WJ, AC and additional gains in the future.

You'll find as you get older you don't get as embarrassed about things as you seem to think. However, it IS somewhat embarrassing how inconsistent your posts are.

There's a great quote, often (incorrectly) attributed to author Mark Twain (for you: an author is someone who writes books)

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"

[goingnowherefast]

One can like their job and still be underpaid. There are things to do to address the underpaid part while also liking the job.

[CaptDukeNukem]

I get the feeling your problem with WJ and Encore pilots not raising the bar(in your mind) is the fact your benchmarking won’t go up due to this, so you are basically calling out pilots for not helping your case.
I have an idea, grow a pair and start a movement towards ALPA representation at your operation and then you fight for the good of the pilot profession, we’re all counting on you.

Says the fella from Jazz. How's that working out for you? I know ALPA is a great organization, made great strides in the U.S, but it feels like we fall flat up here. Benchmarking would be great so we can go tit for tat on contracts. Competition works great for both the customer and the employees.

Unfortunately I have not seen a strong case yet to sign with ALPA to start thinking about paying dues for a lackluster showing so far. I know there is some grass level movement on the line for it at Porter.

The most important reason to have ALPA representation is section 1 of every agreement and something Porter desperately needs BEFORE it becomes a problem.

Section 1: The preamble?

I know what you meant…. Scope. I just couldn’t help myself, sorry

[justapasenger]

WJ 737 Pilots bragging they make a $100k a year? Does that include OT?

What is that? Like $70k US? So like less than half of American pilots?

Yikes!!

[DanWEC]

It's blatantly obvious that the majority of the thematically related peanut gallery-esque posts are from multiple usernames of the same keyboards.

JBI, I commend your level-headed reasoning, but it's like trying to have a logical debate on Jerry Springer. Nothing but noise and it's unlikely anyone's capable of comprehending your point anyways.
Gotta love Wilkos though.

[cdnavater]

WJ 737 Pilots bragging they make a $100k a year? Does that include OT?

What is that? Like $70k US? So like less than half of American pilots?

Yikes!!

Yes, yikes but would you support them if they went on strike or just tell them to quit?

[braaap Braap]

WJ 737 Pilots bragging they make a $100k a year? Does that include OT?

What is that? Like $70k US? So like less than half of American pilots?

Yikes!!

Yes, yikes but would you support them if they went on strike or just tell them to quit?

This ones another troll spawn. 1 S instead of 2. What did Accountant and Acountant get banned?

[lenamade]

In all seriousness...is $100k Canadian a good salary for a 737 pilot?

What does Buffalo Joe pay his 37 drivers now??

[CaptDukeNukem]

WJ 737 Pilots bragging they make a $100k a year? Does that include OT?

What is that? Like $70k US? So like less than half of American pilots?

Yikes!!

Yes, yikes but would you support them if they went on strike or just tell them to quit?

This ones another troll spawn. 1 S instead of 2. What did Accountant and Acountant get banned?

There was also apetogettogether and apestogettogether. One is legit, other isn’t

Watch for the S’s lol

[planenuts]

WJ 737 Pilots bragging they make a $100k a year? Does that include OT?

What is that? Like $70k US? So like less than half of American pilots?

Yikes!!

Yes, yikes but would you support them if they went on strike or just tell them to quit?

Exactly....
To him it's downright criminal if a pilot makes less than half of his US counterpart....but when AMEs face exactly the same thing - we are crybabies and should just quit and find another job

What a pathetic attempt to try and show he's not just trolling the mechanics

[accountant]

WJ 737 Pilots bragging they make a $100k a year? Does that include OT?

What is that? Like $70k US? So like less than half of American pilots?

Yikes!!

Yes, yikes but would you support them if they went on strike or just tell them to quit?

This ones another troll spawn. 1 S instead of 2. What did Accountant and Acountant get banned?

I’m still here but just watching and waiting to see what happens in these next rounds. I think there will be some gains but not as much as people hope. More than WJ but still a ways from the US legacy carriers.

Been quiet and polite

[cdnavater]

WJ 737 Pilots bragging they make a $100k a year? Does that include OT?

What is that? Like $70k US? So like less than half of American pilots?

Yikes!!

Yes, yikes but would you support them if they went on strike or just tell them to quit?

This ones another troll spawn. 1 S instead of 2. What did Accountant and Acountant get banned?

No, accountant is still around, it still could be another alias however.
^ responded before seeing accountants post.

[acountant]

WJ pilots are way underpaid.

The mechanics deserve more too

This industry needs an investment in its most valuable resource: the highly trained professionals that keep everyone safe.

Can't believe there is a 737 pilot happy to be making $90 a hour though! Insane!! At least owns a boat?!

[FelixGustof]

Saying I enjoy my job isn’t bragging about my pay. Big difference there. For what it’s worth, just facts, not a brag, I will make more than $100k this year.

I hope you have or will have a job that you enjoy. Life is too short to have a job you don’t enjoy.

So if you like your job, it's OK to be the lowest paid 737 pilot in the industry?

Does Westjet throw wicked pizza parties or something?

$100k is an embarassing number. I make that and I'm guessing I'm half your age!

That's great that you make $100k!

But yes, you do sound very young and unfortunately lack some basic reading comprehension and logical reasoning skills.

You do have a unique post history. In your first post in 2022 you say you just finished High School and are considering getting into aviation. Your posts then seem to troll Air Canada quite a bit. But, my favourite is this one from last year:

It was an impressive campaign and great to see them secure 1 Operating Certificate which will change the fabric of aviation in this country

Hopefully all airlines join ALPA Moving forward so pilots don't make the same mistakes again. Scope needs to be priority #1

Things are finally improving in this country

Well done WestJet pilots

Now you seem to suggest that WJ pilots are the lowest paid 737 pilots (which isn't correct). I tend not to give trolls too much of my time, but for others who may still be reading at this point.

I enjoy my job. Pay is important, but so is schedule, quality of life, and other details of the job. I make more than $100k and that's all the info I will give to someone like yourself. Notice that's not a brag. With patterned bargaining, there has been a solid foundation set with WJ, AC and additional gains in the future.

You'll find as you get older you don't get as embarrassed about things as you seem to think. However, it IS somewhat embarrassing how inconsistent your posts are.

There's a great quote, often (incorrectly) attributed to author Mark Twain (for you: an author is someone who writes books)

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"

JBI,

I assume you're one of the three who voted that the acceptable Canadian discount is greater than 50%?

Being proud of the $90 Canadian for a 737 compared to $240 Cdn for a Delta pilots puts you at 38% of their pay

Steep discount! "Only" 50% would be a good pay raise!

[fish4life]

I’m not sure how “over 100k” came to mean only / exactly 100k. “Over 100k” could be 195k and I get a sense he was vague for a reason.

[JBI]

JBI,

I assume you're one of the three who voted that the acceptable Canadian discount is greater than 50%?

Being proud of the $90 Canadian for a 737 compared to $240 Cdn for a Delta pilots puts you at 38% of their pay

Steep discount! "Only" 50% would be a good pay raise!

Felix!

Back for more, eh? You continue to show that I have overestimated your logical reasoning and math skills.

So, to keep it simple for you:

Me like job.
Us best paid 737 pilots in Canada.
Me want more pay.
Me want Air Canada to get better pay too.
Me still like job.

[lenamade]

I’m not sure how “over 100k” came to mean only / exactly 100k. “Over 100k” could be 195k and I get a sense he was vague for a reason.

I flowed to WJ a couple years ago,

2nd years pay is $90 Canadian I believe

So I guess a $100k with OT