It is imminent.......be ready.

[DanWEC]

I've posted this before, but go dig up articles in respected newspapers like the Globe about strikes in the last few years, especially in aviation.

Look at the comments. The public is angry at government and corporations, and are, as a majority, sympathetic towards the striking workers. Given people are 7x more likely to post a negative comment than a positive one, that gives you very strong evidence of where they stand- and that's in support of workers today.

However, when it comes to AC's reputation, it unfortunately perpetually has a slight colour to it, and that colour is brown, but it's not like this will be a battle against public opinion, far from it.

[bcflyer]

The public won’t support the pilots anyway so who the @#$! cares,

Well, thats a problem isn’t it. Why wouldn’t the NDP / Libtards legislate you back to work? Seems no political downside.

Because it’s against the charter. It’s been ruled on years ago.

[rookiepilot]

I've posted this before, but go dig up articles in respected newspapers like the Globe about strikes in the last few years, especially in aviation.

Look at the comments. The public is angry at government and corporations, and are, as a majority, sympathetic towards the striking workers.

Hope your right. People are angry all right……

I am on the pilots side of course. I was just wondering how per the other poster, you all plan to get the public sympathy.

Don’t send out Ripple for that press conference LOL.

AME’s have a stronger sympathy vote than pilots, IMO

[itsgrosswhatinet]

Hope your right. People are angry all right……

I am on the pilots side of course. I was just wondering how per the other poster, you all plan to get the public sympathy.

Don’t send out Ripple for that press conference LOL.

AME’s have a stronger sympathy vote than pilots, IMO

Thank you for your hope. I monitored social media platforms like X during the WestJet AME strike and the comments were overwhelming in support of the AMEs.

[goingnowherefast]

Public suppport is generally opposing executive big wigs and their 233% salary increases. Doesn't seem to matter which employee group is striking.

WJ management told the public "we pay our pilots more than the prime minister makes". Public didn't seem to care that much. Onex was still the big bad investment firm that profits off rampant inflation and should pay all their employees better.

LCBO strike, people couldn't buy most of their booze. It affected almost everyone in Ontario. Even then, the support was generally in favour of the workers. With an airline strike, not everyone is going flying all at once. Most people won't be directly affected. The public blame generally falls onto management, even for those that are affected.

[RippleRock]

I've posted this before, but go dig up articles in respected newspapers like the Globe about strikes in the last few years, especially in aviation.

Look at the comments. The public is angry at government and corporations, and are, as a majority, sympathetic towards the striking workers.

Hope your right. People are angry all right……

I am on the pilots side of course. I was just wondering how per the other poster, you all plan to get the public sympathy.

Don’t send out Ripple for that press conference LOL.

AME’s have a stronger sympathy vote than pilots, IMO

I wouldn't send myself out for a press conference either. To many people making too many BS, poorly thought out comments. Others making comments on topics they clearly have limited information on.

Some of us get a bit triggered due to the seriousness of the subject matter.

[RippleRock]

I've posted this before, but go dig up articles in respected newspapers like the Globe about strikes in the last few years, especially in aviation.

Look at the comments. The public is angry at government and corporations, and are, as a majority, sympathetic towards the striking workers.

Hope your right. People are angry all right……

I am on the pilots side of course. I was just wondering how per the other poster, you all plan to get the public sympathy.

Don’t send out Ripple for that press conference LOL.

AME’s have a stronger sympathy vote than pilots, IMO

I wouldn't send myself out for a press conference either. To many people making too many BS, poorly thought out comments. Others making comments on topics they clearly have limited information on.

Some of us get a bit triggered due to the seriousness of the subject matter.

[rookiepilot]

I've posted this before, but go dig up articles in respected newspapers like the Globe about strikes in the last few years, especially in aviation.

Look at the comments. The public is angry at government and corporations, and are, as a majority, sympathetic towards the striking workers.

Hope your right. People are angry all right……

I am on the pilots side of course. I was just wondering how per the other poster, you all plan to get the public sympathy.

Don’t send out Ripple for that press conference LOL.

AME’s have a stronger sympathy vote than pilots, IMO

I wouldn't send myself out for a press conference either. To many people making too many BS, poorly thought out comments. Others making comments on topics they clearly have limited information on.

Some of us get a bit triggered due to the seriousness of the subject matter.

I analyze the economy, industries , and companies professionally. Its how I make my living for the past 30 years. Probably been around longer than you. And this ain’t my first rodeo, as the saying goes, with what is coming.

I said this many months ago. Get it done.

Your bargaining position gets worse by the month now.

Call it how I see it.

Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.

[RippleRock]

Hope your right. People are angry all right……

I am on the pilots side of course. I was just wondering how per the other poster, you all plan to get the public sympathy.

Don’t send out Ripple for that press conference LOL.

AME’s have a stronger sympathy vote than pilots, IMO

I wouldn't send myself out for a press conference either. To many people making too many BS, poorly thought out comments. Others making comments on topics they clearly have limited information on.

Some of us get a bit triggered due to the seriousness of the subject matter.

I analyze the economy, industries , and companies professionally. Its how I make my living for the past 30 years. Probably been around longer than you. And this ain’t my first rodeo, as the saying goes, with what is coming.

I said this many months ago. Get it done.

Your bargaining position gets worse by the month now.

Call it how I see it.

Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.

Liar.

You are making uneducated comments. No one with "30 years in the industry" would ever say the things you do.

Now you're just looking like an idiot. At best you are a junior investor making day trades from your Mom's basement.

Why are you still here? You will convince no one of anything other than highlighting your ignorance. If that's your goal, keep it up, you're doing great.

The fact is, you are a troll. Find another thread to pollute.

[rookiepilot]

I wouldn't send myself out for a press conference either. To many people making too many BS, poorly thought out comments. Others making comments on topics they clearly have limited information on.

Some of us get a bit triggered due to the seriousness of the subject matter.

I analyze the economy, industries , and companies professionally. Its how I make my living for the past 30 years. Probably been around longer than you. And this ain’t my first rodeo, as the saying goes, with what is coming.

I said this many months ago. Get it done.

Your bargaining position gets worse by the month now.

Call it how I see it.

Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.

Liar.

You are making uneducated comments. No one with "30 years in the industry" would ever say the things you do.

Now you're just looking like an idiot. At best you are a junior investor making day trades from your Mom's basement.

Why are you still here? You will convince no one of anything other than highlighting your ignorance. If that's your goal, keep it up, you're doing great.

The fact is, you are a troll. Find another thread to pollute.

Whatever.

You’re right. Arguing with AvCan’s version of Fred Hahn. What a waste.

I genuinely care about the plight of young pilots starting out…but I’m done. Piss off Ripple-chip.

“Good luck”.

[Fanblade]

I analyze the economy, industries , and companies professionally. Its how I make my living for the past 30 years. Probably been around longer than you. And this ain’t my first rodeo, as the saying goes, with what is coming.

I said this many months ago. Get it done.

Your bargaining position gets worse by the month now.

Call it how I see it.

Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.

There are only two ways to “ get this done”

1) The company makes an acceptable offer without a gun to their head. Unlikely and completely in their control.

2) ALPA runs through the hoops required for strike as quickly as possible. It’s a 90 plus day process.

44 days to go. That is as fast as we have control over.

“Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.”

Agreed. 1000%

[rookiepilot]

I analyze the economy, industries , and companies professionally. Its how I make my living for the past 30 years. Probably been around longer than you. And this ain’t my first rodeo, as the saying goes, with what is coming.

I said this many months ago. Get it done.

Your bargaining position gets worse by the month now.

Call it how I see it.

Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.

There are only two ways to “ get this done”

1) The company makes an acceptable offer without a gun to their head. Unlikely and completely in their control.

2) ALPA runs through the hoops required for strike as quickly as possible. It’s a 90 plus day process.

44 days to go. That is as fast as we have control over.

“Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.”

Agreed. 1000%

Understood. Too bad a friendly early extension couldn’t have been negotiated a year ago, when stock prices were higher and demand unlimited. I really think your union F— ed up royally if they didn’t even try. Who is running the shop? RippleChips? Seriously. Now the business cycle has turned.

The below matters. Now it will be a hard slog. They will slaughter you guys in the press as entitled. Its too bad.

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[BTD]

I analyze the economy, industries , and companies professionally. Its how I make my living for the past 30 years. Probably been around longer than you. And this ain’t my first rodeo, as the saying goes, with what is coming.

I said this many months ago. Get it done.

Your bargaining position gets worse by the month now.

Call it how I see it.

Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.

There are only two ways to “ get this done”

1) The company makes an acceptable offer without a gun to their head. Unlikely and completely in their control.

2) ALPA runs through the hoops required for strike as quickly as possible. It’s a 90 plus day process.

44 days to go. That is as fast as we have control over.

“Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.”

Agreed. 1000%

Understood. Too bad a friendly early extension couldn’t have been negotiated a year ago, when stock prices were higher and demand unlimited. I really think your union F— ed up royally if they didn’t even try. Who is running the shop? RippleChips? Seriously. Now the business cycle has turned.

The below matters. Now it will be a hard slog. They will slaughter you guys in the press as entitled. Its too bad.

viewtopic.php?t=217551

Huh? Early extension?

You know we voluntarily left a 10 year contract a year early (as allowed under the framework) to get a better deal right? Then the company didn’t appropriately come to the table to negotiate after our notice to bargain. The absolute earliest we could have been in the position we are in now would have been approx April.

We left the deal early because it was so terrible. Especially for the new hires. So no extension wanted. And there is no friendly. We can’t negotiate a new contract with ourselves.

Not to mention if we didn’t opt out early. We would be just starting the whole process now, which by your assessment, is a worse time.

[rookiepilot]

There are only two ways to “ get this done”

1) The company makes an acceptable offer without a gun to their head. Unlikely and completely in their control.

2) ALPA runs through the hoops required for strike as quickly as possible. It’s a 90 plus day process.

44 days to go. That is as fast as we have control over.



Agreed. 1000%

Understood. Too bad a friendly early extension couldn’t have been negotiated a year ago, when stock prices were higher and demand unlimited. I really think your union F— ed up royally if they didn’t even try. Who is running the shop? RippleChips? Seriously. Now the business cycle has turned.

The below matters. Now it will be a hard slog. They will slaughter you guys in the press as entitled. Its too bad.

viewtopic.php?t=217551

Huh? Early extension?

You know we voluntarily left a 10 year contract a year early (as allowed under the framework) to get a better deal right? Then the company didn’t appropriately come to the table to negotiate after our notice to bargain. The absolute earliest we could have been in the position we are in now would have been approx April.

We left the deal early because it was so terrible. Especially for the new hires. So no extension wanted. And there is no friendly. We can’t negotiate a new contract with ourselves.

Not to mention if we didn’t opt out early. We would be just starting the whole process now, which by your assessment, is a worse time.

Bad term. I meant a friendly early — new negotiated, improved agreement.

Who are the idiots anyway who agreed to a 10 year deal…..never mind.

[BTD]

Well. The company wasn’t going to volunteer increased wawcon when there was no reason to from their perspective. Although they kinda tried I supposed with the MOA which was voted down massively. So the union took the only other path available, to attempt early negotiation, which was opting out. Effectively trying to accomplish your suggestion.

If the company won’t meet the expectations of the pilot group under risk of labour action, there is little reason to think that they would without it.

[RippleRock]

There seems to be a level of importance assigned to "engaging the Troll".

Rookie isn't an AC pilot. He obviously knows little about how the industry works at this level. He reminds me of "accountant" in more than a few ways.

Why waste your time engaging this Muppet? He's just on a fishing expedition.


Seriously....

[rookiepilot]

Well. The company wasn’t going to volunteer increased wawcon when there was no reason to from their perspective. Although they kinda tried I supposed with the MOA which was voted down massively. So the union took the only other path available, to attempt early negotiation, which was opting out. Effectively trying to accomplish your suggestion.

If the company won’t meet the expectations of the pilot group under risk of labour action, there is little reason to think that they would without it.

Maybe the real disparity that exists with the US, won’t change until Canada enacts the sensible 1500 HR rule the US did.

Will wait for our own Colgan Air , then that will happen.

[rookiepilot]

There seems to be a level of importance assigned to "engaging the Troll".

Rookie isn't an AC pilot. He obviously knows little about how the industry works at this level. He reminds me of "accountant" in more than a few ways.

Why waste your time engaging this Muppet? He's just on a fishing expedition.


Seriously....

@#$! off.

I am on the pilots side, especially young pilots, I have said this many , many times on this site. I was on the AME’s side too. Happy they managed a reasonable deal.

[RippleRock]

I'll leave this here gents.

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Pretty sure AC career earnings are significantly less than Allegiant...a US ULCC...

Not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, but without posting Canadian numbers, can you see the disparity? Canada DOESN'T have 88,000 pilots in total. How many carrier's, minus cargo are in this chart? The pilot's AC has in total doesn't equal what American has on their DFW base ALONE. Totally different dynamic here folks. The US economy is doing better that Canada. Here we are rapidly becoming a Commie 3rd World dictatorship thanks to Baby Blackface Feminine Fidel. Don't think for a minute that they are not going to get involved the second AC either calls strike or company locks us out. As dysfunctional as they are, they have broken every law in the criminal code during their time in office. Another one to legislate AC pilots back to work and declaring them an essential service I'm sure has already been signed on TruDashian's desk, next to his coloring books.

Do I want more money, absolutely! Do I want better quality of life. Absolutely. In my opinion, it's either going to be one or the other. Ask for the Moon. Don't ask, don't get. Prepare to be given a reality check as to what may come down the pipe.

You think the traveling public give's a rats ass about us? Nope. To them, we are all glorified "Bus" drivers that get them from A to B. There is no glamour in this job like there use to be. If we want the public to understand our position, maybe let's show them how much we have lost since bankruptcy for those of you who were here and remember it. Educate them if you want them in our corner. Do compare us to WJ on YouTube. We are not WJ. No disrespect to WJ pilots. I know a # of them. Educate the public as to what we have to go through with regards to getting them from A to B. I bet 95% have 0 clue what it take to do the job we do to keep everyone safe. That's how you get them in our corner and help get us the contract we need.

Just my opinion on how I see things. I await the bullets and arrows.

Devils advocate — and I support a better deal especially for young pilots starting out.

Why TF should the travelling public GAF about your working conditions, when captains hide in the cockpit and allow stuff like this flight from Morocco to be cancelled , all because of a few buffoons and an FA meltdown over it — 300 people are put out for 2 days.

Instead of taking leadership and fixing the problem.

Answer me and prove you actually care about your Pax, and maybe we’ll care about you for 2 seconds.

This sites posts show nothing but constant derision for your own customers.

—- A member of the travelling public. And a pilot, so skip the BS answers.

You are a Bull$hitter.

You claim to be a member of the travelling public, then you claim to be an AC pilot. Which is it??? You have directly contridicted yourself in multiple posts.

If you were an AC pilot you would have read the FOM and the QRH for your aircraft type and would have --known-- that pilots DO NOT engage passengers directly with the doors armed and under power. We don't "hide in the cockpit" like you claim.

You are full of $hit, and no one should take anything you say seriously.

[rookiepilot]

Not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, but without posting Canadian numbers, can you see the disparity? Canada DOESN'T have 88,000 pilots in total. How many carrier's, minus cargo are in this chart? The pilot's AC has in total doesn't equal what American has on their DFW base ALONE. Totally different dynamic here folks. The US economy is doing better that Canada. Here we are rapidly becoming a Commie 3rd World dictatorship thanks to Baby Blackface Feminine Fidel. Don't think for a minute that they are not going to get involved the second AC either calls strike or company locks us out. As dysfunctional as they are, they have broken every law in the criminal code during their time in office. Another one to legislate AC pilots back to work and declaring them an essential service I'm sure has already been signed on TruDashian's desk, next to his coloring books.

Do I want more money, absolutely! Do I want better quality of life. Absolutely. In my opinion, it's either going to be one or the other. Ask for the Moon. Don't ask, don't get. Prepare to be given a reality check as to what may come down the pipe.

You think the traveling public give's a rats ass about us? Nope. To them, we are all glorified "Bus" drivers that get them from A to B. There is no glamour in this job like there use to be. If we want the public to understand our position, maybe let's show them how much we have lost since bankruptcy for those of you who were here and remember it. Educate them if you want them in our corner. Do compare us to WJ on YouTube. We are not WJ. No disrespect to WJ pilots. I know a # of them. Educate the public as to what we have to go through with regards to getting them from A to B. I bet 95% have 0 clue what it take to do the job we do to keep everyone safe. That's how you get them in our corner and help get us the contract we need.

Just my opinion on how I see things. I await the bullets and arrows.

Devils advocate — and I support a better deal especially for young pilots starting out.

Why TF should the travelling public GAF about your working conditions, when captains hide in the cockpit and allow stuff like this flight from Morocco to be cancelled , all because of a few buffoons and an FA meltdown over it — 300 people are put out for 2 days.

Instead of taking leadership and fixing the problem.

Answer me and prove you actually care about your Pax, and maybe we’ll care about you for 2 seconds.

This sites posts show nothing but constant derision for your own customers.

—- A member of the travelling public. And a pilot, so skip the BS answers.

You are a Bull$hitter.

You claim to be a member of the travelling public, then you claim to be an AC pilot. Which is it??? You have directly contridicted yourself in multiple posts.

If you were an AC pilot you would have read the FOM and the QRH for your aircraft type and would have --known-- that pilots DO NOT engage passengers directly with the doors armed and under power. We don't "hide in the cockpit" like you claim.

You are full of $hit, and no one should take anything you say seriously.

@#$! off. I said I am a pilot. Commercial rated, small aircraft pilot. I am not in the industry and have never said I was. Everyone knows this.

I commented as a passenger outside of your echo chamber.

Stop misquoting me asshole.

GFY. Its not your site.

[RippleRock]

Hope your right. People are angry all right……

I am on the pilots side of course. I was just wondering how per the other poster, you all plan to get the public sympathy.

Don’t send out Ripple for that press conference LOL.

AME’s have a stronger sympathy vote than pilots, IMO

I wouldn't send myself out for a press conference either. To many people making too many BS, poorly thought out comments. Others making comments on topics they clearly have limited information on.

Some of us get a bit triggered due to the seriousness of the subject matter.

I analyze the economy, industries , and companies professionally. Its how I make my living for the past 30 years. Probably been around longer than you. And this ain’t my first rodeo, as the saying goes, with what is coming.

I said this many months ago. Get it done.

Your bargaining position gets worse by the month now.

Call it how I see it.

Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.

Here Rookie claims he's an analyst for 30 years. Right.

[RippleRock]

Hope your right. People are angry all right……

I am on the pilots side of course. I was just wondering how per the other poster, you all plan to get the public sympathy.

Don’t send out Ripple for that press conference LOL.

AME’s have a stronger sympathy vote than pilots, IMO

I wouldn't send myself out for a press conference either. To many people making too many BS, poorly thought out comments. Others making comments on topics they clearly have limited information on.

Some of us get a bit triggered due to the seriousness of the subject matter.

I analyze the economy, industries , and companies professionally. Its how I make my living for the past 30 years. Probably been around longer than you. And this ain’t my first rodeo, as the saying goes, with what is coming.

I said this many months ago. Get it done.

Your bargaining position gets worse by the month now.

Call it how I see it.

Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.

Here Rookie claims he's an analyst for 30 years. Right.

[rookiepilot]

I wouldn't send myself out for a press conference either. To many people making too many BS, poorly thought out comments. Others making comments on topics they clearly have limited information on.

Some of us get a bit triggered due to the seriousness of the subject matter.

I analyze the economy, industries , and companies professionally. Its how I make my living for the past 30 years. Probably been around longer than you. And this ain’t my first rodeo, as the saying goes, with what is coming.

I said this many months ago. Get it done.

Your bargaining position gets worse by the month now.

Call it how I see it.

Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.

Here Rookie claims he's an analyst for 30 years. Right.

Right.

And trade off that.

Good luck Fred.

[RippleRock]

You're just a bored slimeball. Having a Commercial license and clearly no industry experience doesn't make you the immediate "go to" on this subject. It certainly created someone who is "self important"......"look at me, I'm an expert".

30 years as an analyst puts you over 50. But you are an advocate for "young pilots". Right. More like you just missed the boat, your sick of your 9-5 desk job and it's left you a bit sour. Now you're hard into berating those that were successful in the industry and working for the Majors.

Guys like you are a "dime a dozen". You know what they say about "opinions".....they are like As#@%*$....everyone has one.

Find something better to do with your day off.

Oh ya......GFY.

[Fanblade]

I analyze the economy, industries , and companies professionally. Its how I make my living for the past 30 years. Probably been around longer than you. And this ain’t my first rodeo, as the saying goes, with what is coming.

I said this many months ago. Get it done.

Your bargaining position gets worse by the month now.

Call it how I see it.

Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.

There are only two ways to “ get this done”

1) The company makes an acceptable offer without a gun to their head. Unlikely and completely in their control.

2) ALPA runs through the hoops required for strike as quickly as possible. It’s a 90 plus day process.

44 days to go. That is as fast as we have control over.

“Don’t F it up for the sake of the young pilots getting screwed over in Canada.”

Agreed. 1000%

Understood. Too bad a friendly early extension couldn’t have been negotiated a year ago, when stock prices were higher and demand unlimited. I really think your union F— ed up royally if they didn’t even try. Who is running the shop? RippleChips? Seriously. Now the business cycle has turned.

The below matters. Now it will be a hard slog. They will slaughter you guys in the press as entitled. Its too bad.

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It was attempted.

May 2023. Before we exited the 10 year framework early. The company was asked if they would like to make an offer to keep us in it.

The company's response was they thought 2% and B1 passes were a good deal.

So we pulled out of the framework and tried to negotiate.

July 2023 through Dec 2023. We made proposals to the company with next to nothing coming our way over the table.

Jan 2024. After not negotiating for six months. Zero done. AC makes it clear they are going to apply for conciliation and drive the dispute to a lockout in April 2024.

Mid January 2024. A deal is reached to stave off a lockout in April 2024. ALPA agrees to Mediation with the caveat if AC doesn't negotiate, the deal will be pulled leaving us in a summer strike position. Under that pressure AC begins to negotiate short of the big ticket items. By June 2024, summer is now safe for them, AC tables an offer that is far below our pre bankruptcy wages.

ALPA exits mediation as a result and starts the countdown to strike.

Unfortunately there is only one way to MAKE an employer negotiate, that doesn't want to.