Pro mask pro vaccine air canada pilots

[northernpilot2]

You have a "CHOICE", accept the deal or stay home.

I just wanted to know how does it feel when someone tells you this?

By the way, I'm with you 100% all the way, HOLD THE LINE.

I only posted this here just because I wanted to see how does "CHOICE" feel now?

I'm wishing you all the best, please keep up the fight

[BE02 Driver]

You have a "CHOICE", accept the deal or stay home.

I just wanted to know how does it feel when someone tells you this?

By the way, I'm with you 100% all the way, HOLD THE LINE.

I only posted this here just because I wanted to see how does "CHOICE" feel now?

I'm wishing you all the best, please keep up the fight

In the immortal words of Independence Day "Karma is a bitch!"

[JustaCanadian]

Just to clarify the title…

Being pro mask and pro vaccine is fine. I actually have an intimate relationship with several vaccines that I let come inside me. But I don’t let fear, greed, corporations and gov steer an irrational narrative. Sometimes I won’t take a vaccine or I might wait. Anti vax means you are against all vaccines, there’s very few people on that boat.

The problem was not being for or against masks or vaccines, the problem is people who believe they need to control you. They don’t believe in freedoms. They actually believe every small action you take has a huge impact on their life, therefore they should dictate most aspects of your life and control you. Fucking losers.

Look how much better off Americans are after Covid….i thought they were all going to die…. Didn’t kamal say the pandemic killed 220 million Americans? Trudeau was happy to be authoritarian, take our money, crush the economy. Icing on the cake will be if he plays dictator and sends ac pilot to arbitration…. Ouch… but lots of Canadians showed they like this…. Trudeau will be very convincing to these types that their lives might be in danger if we don’t send pilots back to work!

Big question would be, is anything going in the contract about medical freedoms? Do AC pilots even care to have that in the contract? Probably not.

[khedrei]

The title is worded a bit poorly but the premise is right.

I hope that if the government does intervene (illegally) that the striking workers who critisized all those "hooligans" who were fighting for their rights see the irony. The use of the emergencies act was ruled illegal but cheered on by many here.

It's ok for you to want the right to strike but not ok for others to want the right to peacefully assemble, or choose what goes into their body without being threatened with their livelihoods and ultimately their lives (homeless and starvation generally kills people).

I guess some rights are more important than others. Particularly those who believe nonsense over people who think for themselves.

Remember, after they come for the Saturday people, they will come for the Sunday people. Just cause you are a Sunday person, doesn't mean you don't have to worry. It will be your turn soon.

[cdnavater]

The title is worded a bit poorly but the premise is right.

I hope that if the government does intervene (illegally) that the striking workers who critisized all those "hooligans" who were fighting for their rights see the irony. The use of the emergencies act was ruled illegal but cheered on by many here.

It's ok for you to want the right to strike but not ok for others to want the right to peacefully assemble, or choose what goes into their body without being threatened with their livelihoods and ultimately their lives (homeless and starvation generally kills people).

I guess some rights are more important than others. Particularly those who believe nonsense over people who think for themselves.

Remember, after they come for the Saturday people, they will come for the Sunday people. Just cause you are a Sunday person, doesn't mean you don't have to worry. It will be your turn soon.

I’ve made the key word obvious for you, it was not peaceful to the people who lived in downtown Ottawa, guaranteed if they just blocked the streets and held some signs, chanted a few slogans, they wouldn’t have been removed, you know, a peaceful demonstration!
The Coutts border with the guns and conspiracy to kill RCMP, not peaceful either, they have been convicted and were sentenced to 6 1/2 years, not convicted of the more serious crime of conspiracy but going to jail nonetheless

[khedrei]

Aside from parking violations and noise complains, could you point out a law that was broken in Ottawa? A person who was arrested BEFORE the illegal use of the emergencies act? A person who was hurt? A person who was threatened with violence? A thing, business, object that was damaged? Also, the noise stopped on what
.. day 2? 3? It was peaceful, and they did pretty much what you said. Blocked roads and held signs.

Let me know....

Ill have to read up on the Coutts thing. As far as I knew the person who was arrested for those things was not part of the protest but I could be wrong. I would agree that if there was violence or threat of violence then that isn't peaceful.

The protest in Ottawa however was about as peaceful a protest that I have ever seen.

Edit: I should add, the flying public will find this strike very disruptive and damaging and because of that, the government should step in and end it, the same way they ended that terribly unpeaceful protest you claim happened in Ottawa.

The irony is flying around so violently in here if I'm not careful I'll get hit.

[CpnCrunch]

https://www.haltonpolice.ca/en/staying- ... tions.aspx

[khedrei]

Haha, this guy again. Still waiting for you to quote my transphobic bigoted comments

Wierd how this went on for 3 weeks and ALL THESE LAWS were being broken and yet not a single arrest. Weird how the police were telling people where to park. Funny how that happened if it was so bad.

I also acknowledged that roads were blocked. I wouldnt deny that.

Remember, if the government orders you back to work, you have to go. Your rights be damned.

[CpnCrunch]

Haha, this guy again. Still waiting for you to quote my transphobic bigoted comments

You referring to this: viewtopic.php?p=1268796#p1268796 ?
Seems you have a thing about trans people. What is it?

Wierd how this went on for 3 weeks and ALL THESE LAWS were being broken and yet not a single arrest. Weird how the police were telling people where to park. Funny how that happened if it was so bad.

I dont think parking or protesting is against the law here. The reason for the emergencies act is because they werent able to clear the blockage. I dunno, maybe they could have tried harder. But like 99% of people in the country I dont really care much about it. It doesnt affect my rights at all, or worry me. I can still criticise and protest the government to my hearts content if I wanted to.

[khedrei]

You just posted a link saying that things like blocking streets is against the law. I was responding to that. They couldn't clear it, but that's only because they didn't try. They declared the emergencies act which was later ruled illegal.

You're missing the point. Many here are talking about if a government order or mandate comes forcing striking AC workers back on the job that people should ignore it. I think it's rich that some of these same people talking about fighting government overreach and breaking unjust/immoral laws didn't see it that way 2 years ago when others were fighting government overreach and unjust laws. People here say that we must defy unjust laws. When I said that same thing a couple years back you and others critisized me (to put it lightly). Somehow this fight and wanting to defy this government overreach is ok though. Yes, I know it hasn't happened yet but that's not the point.

If you can't look at these situations and see that forcing a population to take a barely tested medical treatment that they didnt need under the threat of financial ruin is objectively more overreach than forcing 5k striking pilots back to work then you're hopeless.

If you also can't see that 1 day of strike is objectively more damaging to the Canadian economy than the entire 3 weeks in ottawa then again, you're hopeless.

Disruption is the point in both situations. Once the government makes everything illegal, there be any other choice than to disobey laws to get them changed.

In fact, I already know you are because you still have not shown me anything transphobic that I have said. Should I keep waiting...?

It's obvious that government overreach only matters when it isn't your rights being taken away and only if you agree with those people's opinions.

[cdnavater]

Aside from parking violations and noise complains, could you point out a law that was broken in Ottawa? A person who was arrested BEFORE the illegal use of the emergencies act? A person who was hurt? A person who was threatened with violence? A thing, business, object that was damaged? Also, the noise stopped on what
.. day 2? 3? It was peaceful, and they did pretty much what you said. Blocked roads and held signs.

Let me know....

Ill have to read up on the Coutts thing. As far as I knew the person who was arrested for those things was not part of the protest but I could be wrong. I would agree that if there was violence or threat of violence then that isn't peaceful.

The protest in Ottawa however was about as peaceful a protest that I have ever seen.

Edit: I should add, the flying public will find this strike very disruptive and damaging and because of that, the government should step in and end it, the same way they ended that terribly unpeaceful protest you claim happened in Ottawa.

The irony is flying around so violently in here if I'm not careful I'll get hit.

That’s some revisionist shit there, noise stopped after 2, 3 days, what a crock of shit, a class action lawsuit was filed on Feb 3 an injunction to stop the honking was issued on Feb 7. So, constant horn honking, concerts, hot tubs, fires in the streets for 3 weeks, yah that’s peaceful, @#$! off with your bullshit!

[CpnCrunch]

In fact, I already know you are because you still have not shown me anything transphobic that I have said. Should I keep waiting...?

It was your post that had the tiktok video, which I see you've since deleted.

[rookiepilot]

We have had pro Hamas protesters taken over parts of multiple universities for the better part of a year, spewing a lot more (illegal, I had thought) hate speech than I have ever seen, advocating for the eradication of the Jewish people.

Funny how lightly they have been treated compared to the Ottawa protesters. As in, zero serious charges I am aware of.

I wonder why that is. Gee.

Do students, Jewish and otherwise, not have rights to be educated in an environment free of harassment?

That is the problem. Different groups are treated entirely differently. That’s a great look for our so called democracy.

[CpnCrunch]

We have had pro Hamas protesters taken over parts of multiple universities for the better part of a year, spewing a lot more (illegal, I had thought) hate speech than I have ever seen, advocating for the eradication of the Jewish people.

Funny how lightly they have been treated compared to the Ottawa protesters. As in, zero serious charges I am aware of.

I wonder why that is. Gee.

Do students, Jewish and otherwise, not have rights to be educated in an environment free of harassment?

That is the problem. Different groups are treated entirely differently. That’s a great look for our so called democracy.

They arent disrupting an entire city, or even disrupting a university, theyre just being a nuisance on the grounds. And I think most of them have been removed now anyway. Nice false equivalence though.

The protesters should be glad theyre not in the UK where there is a new law that gives up to a 10 year prison sentence for disruptive protesters. Seems like a good idea tbh. Blocking the entire M25 and preventing people getting to urgent appointments...they got 4 years in jail for that.

[rookiepilot]

We have had pro Hamas protesters taken over parts of multiple universities for the better part of a year, spewing a lot more (illegal, I had thought) hate speech than I have ever seen, advocating for the eradication of the Jewish people.

Funny how lightly they have been treated compared to the Ottawa protesters. As in, zero serious charges I am aware of.

I wonder why that is. Gee.

Do students, Jewish and otherwise, not have rights to be educated in an environment free of harassment?

That is the problem. Different groups are treated entirely differently. That’s a great look for our so called democracy.

They arent disrupting an entire city, or even disrupting a university, theyre just being a nuisance on the grounds. And I think most of them have been removed now anyway. Nice false equivalence though.

The protesters should be glad theyre not in the UK where there is a new law that gives up to a 10 year prison sentence for disruptive protesters. Seems like a good idea tbh. Blocking the entire M25 and preventing people getting to urgent appointments...they got 4 years in jail for that.

Hate speech is disruptive, and illegal. And completely ignored.

319 (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Marginal note:Wilful promotion of hatred

(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Marginal note:Wilful promotion of antisemitism

(2.1) Everyone who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes antisemitism by condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

[JustaCanadian]

99 percent of Canadians don't care about this stuff?

But Justine is so unpopular today. One doesn't have to do with the other?

[CpnCrunch]

99 percent of Canadians don't care about this stuff?

But Justine is so unpopular today. One doesn't have to do with the other?

I dont know anyone who cares. Are people still upset about all this? I do see occasional freedom convey people waving flags from bridges, but it seems a small fringe group now.

[CpnCrunch]

Hate speech is disruptive, and illegal. And completely ignored.

Nope, 1 second of googling proves youre wrong about that. Do you ever fact check things you post?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/o ... -1.7181180

[rookiepilot]

Hate speech is disruptive, and illegal. And completely ignored.

Nope, 1 second of googling proves youre wrong about that. Do you ever fact check things you post?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/o ... -1.7181180

Where are the charges? The word “investigating “ is a PR move.

What about U of T? UBC? Mcgill? Many more?

Why has Fred Hahn not been charged?

[CpnCrunch]

Hate speech is disruptive, and illegal. And completely ignored.

Nope, 1 second of googling proves youre wrong about that. Do you ever fact check things you post?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/o ... -1.7181180

Where are the charges? The word “investigating “ is a PR move.

What about U of T? UBC? Mcgill? Many more?

I dont know and dont particularly care. You seem to, so perhaps you should check.

[rookiepilot]

Nope, 1 second of googling proves youre wrong about that. Do you ever fact check things you post?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/o ... -1.7181180

Where are the charges? The word “investigating “ is a PR move.

What about U of T? UBC? Mcgill? Many more?

I dont know and dont particularly care. You seem to, so perhaps you should check.

Gee. I wonder why so many don’t care about antisemitism. Because….

[khedrei]

In fact, I already know you are because you still have not shown me anything transphobic that I have said. Should I keep waiting...?

It was your post that had the tiktok video, which I see you've since deleted.

I didn't delete anything. I posted a link to a video of a bunch of people chanting "trans women are women" and baricading a woman in a room. I posted it because you said that I was falsely saying that people were making that claim. The video was to show you that people are in fact saying that trans women are actually women. You said I was lying, so I posted several things to show I wasn't. So you call me transphobic because i said people were making ridiculous claims and that i was lying and it wasnt true. I ask you to quote anything i said that was trasphobic, and you use the proof that i wasnt lying as evidence that im transphobic. You're a real special one....

[khedrei]

Aside from parking violations and noise complains, could you point out a law that was broken in Ottawa? A person who was arrested BEFORE the illegal use of the emergencies act? A person who was hurt? A person who was threatened with violence? A thing, business, object that was damaged? Also, the noise stopped on what
.. day 2? 3? It was peaceful, and they did pretty much what you said. Blocked roads and held signs.

Let me know....

Ill have to read up on the Coutts thing. As far as I knew the person who was arrested for those things was not part of the protest but I could be wrong. I would agree that if there was violence or threat of violence then that isn't peaceful.

The protest in Ottawa however was about as peaceful a protest that I have ever seen.

Edit: I should add, the flying public will find this strike very disruptive and damaging and because of that, the government should step in and end it, the same way they ended that terribly unpeaceful protest you claim happened in Ottawa.

The irony is flying around so violently in here if I'm not careful I'll get hit.

That’s some revisionist shit there, noise stopped after 2, 3 days, what a crock of shit, a class action lawsuit was filed on Feb 3 an injunction to stop the honking was issued on Feb 7. So, constant horn honking, concerts, hot tubs, fires in the streets for 3 weeks, yah that’s peaceful, @#$! off with your bullshit!

Do you know what ? Means? It's called a question mark. Question marks are normally put at the end of a sentence when an answer is being sought. It meant that I didn't know how long the horns went for. A bit of research shows the horns went for about 2 weeks, and the remaining 2 weeks the injunction had it stopped. So by your logic, you are full of it too claiming 3 weeks.

I'll remember to write a letter to my mp next time you go on strike that it's disrupting the public and that they should force you back to work. You're certainly a coward when it comes to anything that matters.

[CpnCrunch]

Where are the charges? The word “investigating “ is a PR move.

What about U of T? UBC? Mcgill? Many more?

I dont know and dont particularly care. You seem to, so perhaps you should check.

Gee. I wonder why so many don’t care about antisemitism. Because….

No, I didnt say that. Im just not getting upset about a non story like you are. You are just making half assed assumptions and getting angry...a bit like my pug.

[CpnCrunch]

I didn't delete anything. I posted a link to a video of a bunch of people chanting "trans women are women" and baricading a woman in a room. I posted it because you said that I was falsely saying that people were making that claim. The video was to show you that people are in fact saying that trans women are actually women. You said I was lying, so I posted several things to show I wasn't. So you call me transphobic because i said people were making ridiculous claims and that i was lying and it wasnt true. I ask you to quote anything i said that was trasphobic, and you use the proof that i wasnt lying as evidence that im transphobic. You're a real special one....

Well I cant find the video, so perhaps you could actually post a link to your comment. I searched on avcanada and google, and it didnt seem to be there. Perhaps a moderator sensibly deleted it. You accused me of not looking at the evidence, and I replied that I did watch the video, and it doesn't support your comments. Its hard to have a sensible discussion about a half remembered thread from years ago that we cant actually find, and you still seem to be worked up about.