Government intervention

[CaptDukeNukem]

Curious as to how fast or what the government will do if a strike position / lockout position is made.

How fast will the government cave to public pressure? What are the consequences? Etc.

[truedude]

Curious as to how fast or what the government will do if a strike position / lockout position is made.

How fast will the government cave to public pressure? What are the consequences? Etc.

I think it will be cahos of they legislate the pilots back, with mass book offs. I also expect airplanes to start getting grounded using the mighty pen. I imagine AC might find themselves in a situation worse than an actual strike.

[BE02 Driver]

Curious as to how fast or what the government will do if a strike position / lockout position is made.

How fast will the government cave to public pressure? What are the consequences? Etc.

I put first day, because I think a lock out will be issued immediately by AC upon delivery of 72 hour notice, which will start a wind down in flights.

The government will start getting involved before the 18th in my opinion, with action on the 18th. Either the BLOC will support the Liberals in ILLEGAL back to work order, in which case it's back to work and/or a wildcat strike/job action.
-OR-
the Liberal government will fall and the Governor-in-Council will order back to work until the next election which will buy more time for AC at the table. Rinse and repeat at the next election.

[CPU2000]

This government is holding on by the skin of their teeth

They will not risk their political life with back to work legislation.

100% Air Canada pilots will be allowed to strike. See you on the picket lines!

World Class Contract or bust!

[Jean-Pierre]

Does it even matter? They are not going back because Justin say so. The government is so weak right now I would not be surprised if other unions walk at the same time.

[rookiepilot]

This government is holding on by the skin of their teeth

They will not risk their political life with back to work legislation.

100% Air Canada pilots will be allowed to strike. See you on the picket lines!

World Class Contract or bust!

Why would you think they risk their political life?

You think your contract is seriously on the top 100 of average people’s concerns?

Just saying.

[2112]

The Conservatives, Bloc and NDP have all indicated support for the pilots. The only thing Trudeau loves more than himself is being PM. I think you guys have the Libs by the nuts on this one. Got get it, hold the line.

[rudder]

The Conservatives, Bloc and NDP have all indicated support for the pilots. The only thing Trudeau loves more than himself is being PM. I think you guys have the Libs by the nuts on this one. Got get it, hold the line.

It is also questionable whether JT can ‘whip the vote’. What is the guarantee that all of the Liberal MP’s will vote as directed?

[BE02 Driver]

The Conservatives, Bloc and NDP have all indicated support for the pilots. The only thing Trudeau loves more than himself is being PM. I think you guys have the Libs by the nuts on this one. Got get it, hold the line.

Serious question. Do you have a link to the BLOC on their support for the pilots? I have looked and found nothing.

[truedude]

The Conservatives, Bloc and NDP have all indicated support for the pilots. The only thing Trudeau loves more than himself is being PM. I think you guys have the Libs by the nuts on this one. Got get it, hold the line.

It is also questionable whether JT can ‘whip the vote’. What is the guarantee that all of the Liberal MP’s will vote as directed?

Problem is, they will just try to use that section 107 again, as they did for the rail workers, and avoid parliament all together, which is crazy to me, and never what that part of the labour code was meant to do. It is a gross over reach of the government.

[BE02 Driver]

The Conservatives, Bloc and NDP have all indicated support for the pilots. The only thing Trudeau loves more than himself is being PM. I think you guys have the Libs by the nuts on this one. Got get it, hold the line.

It is also questionable whether JT can ‘whip the vote’. What is the guarantee that all of the Liberal MP’s will vote as directed?

Problem is, they will just try to use that section 107 again, as they did for the rail workers, and avoid parliament all together, which is crazy to me, and never what that part of the labour code was meant to do. It is a gross over reach of the government.

A confidence motion will happen regardless if they use that section or legislation. The NDP and PC would both launch a confidence motion over this for sure.

[Dry Guy]

Problem is, they will just try to use that section 107 again, as they did for the rail workers, and avoid parliament all together, which is crazy to me, and never what that part of the labour code was meant to do. It is a gross over reach of the government.

The CIRB agrees with you. Whenever I worry if ignoring a section 107 order is the right thing to do I read this:
https://ehlaw.ca/cirb-finds-that-the-mi ... to-strike/

[BE02 Driver]

Problem is, they will just try to use that section 107 again, as they did for the rail workers, and avoid parliament all together, which is crazy to me, and never what that part of the labour code was meant to do. It is a gross over reach of the government.

The CIRB agrees with you. Whenever I worry if ignoring a section 107 order is the right thing to do I read this:
https://ehlaw.ca/cirb-finds-that-the-mi ... to-strike/

That's pretty huge!

[truedude]

Problem is, they will just try to use that section 107 again, as they did for the rail workers, and avoid parliament all together, which is crazy to me, and never what that part of the labour code was meant to do. It is a gross over reach of the government.

The CIRB agrees with you. Whenever I worry if ignoring a section 107 order is the right thing to do I read this:
https://ehlaw.ca/cirb-finds-that-the-mi ... to-strike/

That's pretty huge!

Yes, but then the government learned, and specifically said when they used it again with the railworkers that they directed the CIRB to end the strike, which is why the CIRB did. The CIRB claimed they have no ability to decide if the direction was legal or not, and that it was a matter for the courts. Which is why the rail workers have launched 4 separate appeals.

[thepoors]

Curious as to how fast or what the government will do if a strike position / lockout position is made.

How fast will the government cave to public pressure? What are the consequences? Etc.

I think it will be cahos of they legislate the pilots back, with mass book offs. I also expect airplanes to start getting grounded using the mighty pen. I imagine AC might find themselves in a situation worse than an actual strike.

Don't know why management doesn't see this either. These idiots need to face consequences when this is all said and done.

Regardless, they have shown their hand - and the only card they have is to grovel for arbitration. I think if government stays out of it, even for a day or two, the company will roll over very quickly to our demands.

[Nauclerus]

Looks like I might have to change my vote ? Can you believe anything JT says ?

"Trudeau says government will not intervene in Air Canada dispute with pilots."

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 024-09-13/

[CaptDukeNukem]

Looks like I might have to change my vote ? Can you believe anything JT says ?

"Trudeau says government will not intervene in Air Canada dispute with pilots."

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 024-09-13/

Remember to send this to local MP when the government does intervene.

[Jean-Pierre]

Anyone want to change their demoralizing vote? Or can you live with yourself?

[Nauclerus]

Oh maybe not. I should have read the whole article first.

"We are not going to interfere, we are not going to take action before it really becomes very clear that there is no goodwill at the negotiating table," said Trudeau.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Anyone want to change their demoralizing vote? Or can you live with yourself?

Don’t be demoralized. Nothing has changed. Fight with all you have. Even if the government does some willy wonka sh$t, stand tall.

The reason for this thread was to see who believes the libs are gonna sit on the sidelines and for how long

[Arnie Pye]

What is the mechanism by which the government could force the pilots back to work?

Is it truly back to work "legislation" (ie does it have to be voted on by Parliament)? Can it be simply done by ministerial decree?

These are two totally different approaches. If a vote must occur, it would likely result in the downfall of the government and a snap election. If it is done by decree, then pilots may be legally forced back to work. It might still result in an election but it could take longer meanwhile pilots have to go back or face fines and penalties for not doing so.

Good luck to everyone. Hold out and delay the gratification - better things are always worth waiting for.

[daedalusx]

Zero chances the bloc or the ndp triggers an election over a pilot contract/force arbitration/return to work. Your typical voter will be spammed in the MSM about stories how pilot only work 10 days/80hrs a month, and make 300K a year and are responsible for impacting the Canadian economy because they’re unwilling to sign a generous 30% raise.

[itsgrosswhatinet]

Every strike used to be a wildcat strike.

[truedude]

Every strike used to be a wildcat strike.

I think anyone having their constitutional rights trampled would be under a lot of stress, and would have to evaluate if they were fit for duty.

[Man_in_the_sky]

They can force crew sked to try to find pilote, but then

You’d start seeing planed grounded over a table tray, every flight asking maintenance to clean the windshield. Ask extra water from catering. Ask for a manager before deplaning.

Read carefully every 21 pages of notam,
Making sure that no crane lights could jeopardize our flight.

It’s crazy how we can sometimes cut corner, even are expected to do so!

But yea, they can try to forces us back, we have a few tricks up our sleeve.