Western Separatist Party

[justplanecrazy]

Just curious how many people would vote for a western separatist party that represented only the west. Might actually accomplish something like Quebec has where our needs are actually met. It seems just a little too futile trying to having a national party that would take all of Canadas needs into account.

[Scuba_Steve]

just another way to ensure the libs stay in power forever..

[JBI]

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[Dust Devil]

In fact, large amounts of this money from the rest of Canada was used to build the oil fields.

Do you have access to a report that backs that up? Statements like this are fine and all but I'd like you to provide the source of your information. My guess is it's something that you "heard". show me a report that shows the cost breakdown of the funds that we're used to build the Alberta oil patch then I'll buy into all the Liberal B.S out there.

[goates]

In fact, large amounts of this money from the rest of Canada was used to build the oil fields.

Do you have access to a report that backs that up? Statements like this are fine and all but I'd like you to provide the source of your information. My guess is it's something that you "heard". show me a report that shows the cost breakdown of the funds that we're used to build the Alberta oil patch then I'll buy into all the Liberal B.S out there.

For the first seven years of the Equalization program, Alberta did receive a fair bit of money through the program to help kick start the oil industry. Just do search on the history of the transfer program.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdngo ... ation.html

The other side of the story (there is always more than one) is that Alberta has not received any payments through the Equalization program since the mid sixties. And recently AB has been paying as much, or more, per capita than Ontario into the program.

While it would it would be nice to leave the NEP in the history books where it belongs (under the stupid ideas section), I'm not sure either side of the country will do that. When gas prices peaked above $1 this past summer, many people were coming very close to proposing something very similar to try to lower gas prices. And of course the Alberta Separatist party is never going to let it go either in their campaign.

[justplanecrazy]

I find it interesting how many Albertans feel that if other parts of the country, specifically Ontario, don't vote conservative, they are 'against' Alberta. That's totally not the case. I'm not voting Conservative because I don't agree with the conservative doctrine of cutting social spending. A country is great because it looks after the needs of its weakest members: children, elderly, sick and poor. After seeing the effects of Mike Harris' social cuts here in Ontario I think that's the last thing our country needs.

First off I'm from BC and we don't feel that you are against Alberta for voting Liberal. What I'm saying is that the Liberal party couldn't give a rats ass about the West because they only need to please the Central area and a few other odd ridings. Just look at a political map and you can see how our country is completely divided. I don't blame you for voting Liberal. If I lived in Ontario I would as well because I know that they will look afte their own at all costs.

As far as your comments on the health care system, I've never seen it in a worse condition than at present and please don't try and blame the conservatives for that. As well, you might find it interesting that Alberta and BC citizens have to pay for their health care. If they feel they can force citizens making money to pay for a health care service, why can't they allow us to pay a little more so that we can receive that care in this lifetime.

Can you please explain how creating a government funded daycare center helps the families still trying to raise their own children? Why should they pay for the parents that want to dump their children off so they can live their lives, well they continue to bairly get buy with only one parent working??

Is Mike Harris running??? That's news to me!

[cyyz]

I'm not voting Conservative because I don't agree with the conservative doctrine of cutting social spending. A country is great because it looks after the needs of its weakest members: children, elderly, sick and poor. After seeing the effects of Mike Harris' social cuts here in Ontario I think that's the last thing our country needs..

Have you looked at your taxes lately? McGuinty is charging you more and you're getting less, no more eye exams no more phsyio...

So what did mike harris do again?

[cyyz]

Can you please explain how creating a government funded daycare center helps the families still trying to raise their own children? Why should they pay for the parents that want to dump their children off so they can live their lives, well they continue to bairly get buy with only one parent working??

Cause the mommies and daddies in the SUVs said so, and if you don't want to help them out you're a nazi.. =)

[Slick Fork]

Western Separation is about more then just the NEP, we could talk about the gun registry, (non)elected senators, the general feeling that because an election is decided in Ontario and Quebec our votes don't count, the fact that anytime we field a candidate federally they are painted as a scary red-necked hick who is out to take shoes and birth control pills away from women, throw any of these or many other issues on top of an inability on the part of both sides to understand that those of us in the west have a different thought process and different priorities than those of you in the east (conservatism vs socialism) and you have a recipe for alienation.

If alienation goes ignored long enough, it's inevitable that it will turn into a seperation movement. The American revolution started in much the same way with the colonies demanding some sort of FAIR representation from the British for years before it reached a boiling point.

[justplanecrazy]

Well said Slick Fork. I guess we'll just have to wait until Ontario citizens turn in all of their weapons and then we'll walk across the border and overthrow their government with force.

[rigpiggy]

(non)elected senators, the general feeling that because an election is decided in Ontario and Quebec our votes don't count

PEI 300,000 8 senators, BC 3,500,000 6 senators

[just clearing the trees]

What I'm saying is that the Liberal party couldn't give a rats ass about the West because they only need to please the Central area and a few other odd ridings.

Yeah? And look where the majority of Canada's population resides! It's impossible for the government to please everyone so it basically comes down to the greatest good for the greatest number. Boo-f*cking-hoo. Unfortunately for all the poor down-trodden westerners who have it so rough, most people in this country are still living in a very centralized area, specifically southern Onario and Quebec. Yes, it's a very simplistic view, but that's essentially what it comes down to. What is it about this concept that is so hard to understand?

But don't worry, there's light at the end of the tunnel. People are starting to realize that the west is the place to be and are heading out there. Before long, you'll actually have a say in government!! Oh wait, but the easterners will just take their grit-voting ways out there with them, and turn your beloved red-neck paradise into a money-laundering, homo-marrying liberal wasteland. OK, never mind, I guess the west is doomed forever.

[cyyz]

And look where the majority of Canada's population resides! It's impossible for the government to please everyone so it basically comes down to the greatest good for the greatest number. Boo-f*cking-hoo. Unfortunately for all the poor down-trodden westerners who have it so rough, most people in this country are still living in a very centralized area, specifically southern Onario and Quebec.

ROFL.. Ontarians, who vote liberal time and time again, don't get squat, we put in more and get less...

[bumffs]

[justplanecrazy]

Yeah? And look where the majority of Canada's population resides! It's impossible for the government to please everyone so it basically comes down to the greatest good for the greatest number. Boo-f*cking-hoo. Unfortunately for all the poor down-trodden westerners who have it so rough, most people in this country are still living in a very centralized area, specifically southern Onario and Quebec. Yes, it's a very simplistic view, but that's essentially what it comes down to. What is it about this concept that is so hard to understand?

Doesn't seem to stop Quebec, or the Maritimes from getting what they want.

It's not a matter of having to please every individual, its a matter of keeping the Country united! What is it about this concept that is so hard to understand?

[justplanecrazy]

ROFL.. Ontarians, who vote liberal time and time again, don't get squat, we put in more and get less...

???? You're joking right?

-almost every national company is based in Ontario,
-almost every Government job is based in Ontario,
-you have a moral issue that the west disagrees with, your views are honoured and the west blocked
-you have a few murders in Urban T.O. and lobby for gun control that imposes restrictions across the whole rural countryside
-you put in more than BC and Alberta per capita???? (did the westerly winds push BC bud smog over your house?)
-BCers and Albertans pay for healthcare, Ontarionians don't
-You feel that criminals should get as many chances as it takes and the west doesn't, but does it matter, you make the laws?
-you have more senators per capita than the west
-you feel that everyone should stick all their income into one big government pot to have it dispersed evenly among those the government feels deserves it yet we don't... doesn't seem to matter... despite huge surpluses, no tax cuts.

and to top it off the thing that pisses me off the most is that you think you're the ones getting the shaft???

[just clearing the trees]

[justplanecrazy]

Are you trying to show me Ontarios Intelligence Level?

[costermonger]

It's not a matter of having to please every individual, its a matter of keeping the Country united! What is it about this concept that is so hard to understand?

You really expect politicians to put national unity before their careers? You've gotta please enough individuals to get elected again, the west doesn't have a large enough population to take precedence over the central/east parts of the country. In effect, as long as politicians keep on being politicians, the only time the west is going to get their way is when a. Ontarians/Quebecois are on the same side as them or b. they don't care.

It sucks, but thems the breaks.

[justplanecrazy]

If its a matter of the country dividing, it might be a different story, hence the seperatist party.

[cyyz]

ROFL.. Ontarians, who vote liberal time and time again.ConTarians don't get squat, we put in more and get less...

and to top it off the thing that pisses me off the most is that you think you're the ones getting the shaft???

Sorry, my bad, punctuation, I'll edit it...

So all your ramblings are for the liberals ALL over Canada....

Contarians don't give a sh9t about the gun registry or banning guns. Giving criminals chances, <HAHA> we'd rather shoot them.
Don't know about the west paying for healthcare, doubt they do like everyone else.
No we don't want bigger gov't.

[Dust Devil]

For the first seven years of the Equalization program, Alberta did receive a fair bit of money through the program to help kick start the oil industry. Just do search on the history of the transfer program.

Equalization payments we're not given to Alberta for expanding the oil patch. True the funds may have been put toward a small amount of infrastructure at the start but that was at the will of the provincial government. Regardless the wealth that is in Alberta has nothing to do with the feds, but with the economic enviroment that brought private corporations to the province to invest in Alberta. Like I've said a number of times, look at Saskatchewan v.s Alberta. Two totally different ideologies on how government should operate. They have the same natural resources but totally different bank accounts. Reminds me of comparing the U.S.S.R with the U.S.A

[ScudRunner]

Here some #'s The West has 9 million people
Quebec 7 million
Ontario 11 million
and the rest are in um were else is there .................oh ya the Maritimes JK

Oh and PEI only has 3 Senators BC has 6

[just clearing the trees]

Regardless the wealth that is in Alberta has nothing to do with the feds, but with the economic enviroment that brought private corporations to the province to invest in Alberta. Like I've said a number of times, look at Saskatchewan v.s Alberta. Two totally different ideologies on how government should operate. They have the same natural resources but totally different bank accounts. Reminds me of comparing the U.S.S.R with the U.S.A

You honestly think it takes a provincial government to entice corporations to invest in oil? Give your head a shake. It's a license to print money!

And SK has the same resources as AB? The same types maybe but definitely not the same amount or to the same extent.

[Doc]

Before Quebec gets a chance to vote out of Canada, let's beat them at their own game. LETS KICK THEM OUT!!!