Pilot unity will get results

[Daniel Cooper]

That's the thing though, the option to vote 'no' on the TA isn't really available anymore.

It's not even an option! You must pay for your own raise with your profit sharing money!

[freighter27]

Pay for a guaranteed 26+4+4+4 % raise with a possible 8% profit share? I'll take that deal every single day of the week. If I'm wrong here, where do I send my 8% cheque's?

[Dias]

Pay for a guaranteed 26+4+4+4 % raise with a possible 8% profit share? I'll take that deal every single day of the week. If I'm wrong here, where do I send my 8% cheque's?

Wouldn't it be 18-4-4-4%? Or how does the math work on that.

[freighter27]

The raise is 26+4+4+4.... the giveback is possibly 8%... if you would prefer to not take the 8% and just give me 18%+4+4+4, , I'll take that deal too... tomato, potato

[rudder]

The big sticking point is the cowardly and unethical behaviour of the MEC Chair. If there is a no vote and she steps down, the union will be in a shambles. Easy for the company to ask for (and get) favourable arbitration under those circumstances.

Do you ever wonder why you don't get to have good things? This is why. You clearly don't understand this process or how unions work. Your MEC chair didn't decide this. Your NC reported to the status reps that your TA is, in their opinion, the best they can achieve. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong. It's then up to the status reps to decide what to do. They decide to send to vote or decide to call a strike. The MEC chair then takes direction from the status reps on whether to endorse the TA.

You don't like the TA- fine, that's your right, vote no. But you go on to impugn your chair's integrity by calling her unethical. Let me ask you, who in their right mind, who has any sort of the qualities you need, would step up to take the MEC chair knowing that they have to represent pilots like you?

Whether the TA should have been presented to the membership and what went on with the NC agreeing to it, and the MEC voting is another (also troubling) issue.

The Chair is behaving unethically. She is endorsing the TA despite it not being anything close to what she promised and is actually something she previously stated she would be opposed to. She is not in any way forced to endorse the TA even if the MEC does. Intentionally or not, she is swaying the vote with her statements. And most glaring, she is threatening to abandon her position at a critical time in negotiations. Which would completely compromise the union's legitimacy going forward and puts us in an impossible situation to gain any improvements.

She has effectively issued an ultimatum. And her integrity should absolutely be questioned for that. She signed up for the job to represent the entire pilot group, and as of late, her actions demonstrate that she isn't willing to.

Despite what you might think, a lot of us aren't going to just shut up and accept this.

Aiming (or settling) for 50%+1 is not an example of leadership. It is actually the typical management goal in any TA.

Least $$ spent. Divided pilot group.

One of the least experienced senior management negotiating teams achieved what would normally be expected under CR.

Perhaps CR is jealous? This came right out of his playbook.

[Jean-Pierre]

The raise is 26+4+4+4.... the giveback is possibly 8%... if you would prefer to not take the 8% and just give me 18%+4+4+4, , I'll take that deal too... tomato, potato

Year 2, 3, 4 are minus 4% not plus.

[freighter27]

The raise is 26+4+4+4.... the giveback is possibly 8%... if you would prefer to not take the 8% and just give me 18%+4+4+4, , I'll take that deal too... tomato, potato

Year 2, 3, 4 are minus 4% not plus.

How does that math work? The 26% is a permanent part of the payscale... gets paid every paycheck whether the company makes any profit... the 10year framework had annual raises of 2%, should those be subtracted from every year's increase also? Should we also subtract the rate of inflation? If you need to buy a new car next year, how does that figure in? Do you amortize it in one year from pre or post tax wages? Or over the time you own it? Do you need to reduce the contract value by the cost of putting a new roof on your house?
Where does it end? Profit share is not guaranteed money, why on earth would anyone count it as salary? Perhaps there is value there, but it is not 8% maybe some fraction thereof, but if it is such a high priority, make sure the next round of surveys capture it...

[Jean-Pierre]

I checked your post history. I know your angle.