SHOW UNITY. VOTE NO!

[cdnavater]

I don't think you guys know what you are voting yes for.

26%-8%PS+4%NPS-4%COL=18%
4%-8%PS+4% NPS-3%COL= NEGATIVE 3% for the following three years

18%, - 3%, - 3%, - 3% is not a good offer. It is like a joke.

In the above, is COL(Cost of living)?
Second question, is the profit share that is being replaced guaranteed money? By that I mean, putting the profit share in to the wages, is guaranteed money, if there is no profit or little profit, what happens to that 8%?

[freighter27]

cdnavater

Don't ask the NOers that, they always have the 8% spent before May rolls around...

[Apestogetherstrong]

To: All Air Canada Pilots

From: ACA MEC

Re: Upcoming Compensation and Benefits Proposal

Fellow Pilots,

As the voting process commenced, it became apparent that within a span of six hours, the Company requested an update on the voting participation among pilots. The response rate was an impressive 79.7%. The rapidity of this voting suggests a significant inclination towards opposing the current proposal.

In light of these developments, Air Canada management engaged in discussions with the ACA MEC, expressing a desire to secure pilot support. They acknowledged the financial obligations faced by many pilots, including debts, mortgages, and familial responsibilities.

Recognizing that numerous pilots under the flat pay structure possess considerable experience, the Company has come to understand the necessity of ensuring that these pilots do not seek supplemental employment in various sectors, such as ride-sharing, grocery services, culinary positions, construction, and call centers.

In consultation with legal advisors, the ACA MEC has accepted the Company's proposal, with the stipulation that an additional 40% salary increase be granted to Trainers. The conditions agreed upon are as follows:

All pilots in Years 1 and 2 will receive a Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) of $12,000, to be disbursed in monthly installments.
All pilots in Years 3 and 4 will receive a COLA of $9,800, to be disbursed in monthly installments.
Air Canada will provide a family stipend of $9,500 for the first child, $6,800 for the second child, and $4,000 for each subsequent child, up to a maximum of $26,000 per year, payable in monthly installments. This stipulation applies to pilots in Years 1 through 4.
The Company will grant eight B1 passes to all pilots, though retroactive passes for the year 2023 will not be provided.
We welcome this initiative and appreciate the Company’s effort to recognize and value the contributions of Air Canada pilots, thereby establishing a solid foundation for a world-class contract. Further details will be communicated shortly through a video message from the MEC. Please remain vigilant for updates in your email.

In Unity,
ACA MEC

[Apestogetherstrong]

I guess there was more money left on the table after all

[crystalpizza]

Am I hearing this right?? Is this true?

Forwarded from AC internal resource. This is the draft email which will be sent out in 48 hours after confirmation from ALPA legal.

Hello World Class Pilots,
As the vote opened, in just a matter of 6 hours, company requested to check the percentage of pilots that had already voted. The number was a staggering 79.7%. The fact that the pilots voted so quickly, it was evident that there are more NO votes. AC management approached the ACA MEC and proposed that they want to win votes from pilots on flat pay and wanted to do a last minute deal. They understood that these pilots have debts, mortgages and families.

A lot of the pilots on flat pay come with a lot of experience and the company has come to the realization that they do not want these pilots to do second jobs like Uber, Skip the dishes, working in grocery stores, working as barbers, working in a kitchen, working as delivery drivers, working in construction, working in call centres and the list goes on. ALPA MEC in consultation with legal accepted the proposal. MEC asked for one added condition which was Trainers also need a 40% bump which was agreed on. The following are the conditions.

-All pilots under YR 1 & YR 2 will get $12,000 as COLA paid in monthly instalments.
-All pilots under YR 3 & YR 4 will get $9,800 as COLA paid in monthly instalments.
-ACA will pay a family stipend of $9,500 for the first child, $6,800 for the second child and $4,000 for subsequent children up to a maximum $26,000 per year paid in monthly instalments. This would be applicable to pilots on YR 1-YR 4.
-Company provides 8 B1 passes to all pilots. The company will not be retroactively providing passes for the year 2023.

We strongly welcome this change and appreciate that the company has taken one step forward to value Air Canada pilots and making this a true foundation of a world class contract. More details on this coming shortly in a video message by the MEC. Keep an eye on your emails.

In Unity,
ACA MEC

Lol. You're funny.

[ItsGoodEnough]

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

Exactly why a NO vote is needed. Break the classic cycle of buying into the fear on the first TA. Wrong climate for ‘good enough’ (which this isn’t).

What happened after we voted No last time? The “fear” you speak of is recognizing and learning from past history. I would argue breaking the cycle would be voting yes…..having a solid foundation to start on would for once be a welcome change as opposed to dealing with a contract handed down by an arbitrator.

[walkabout]

Done It's a YES vote here, too many risks with a NO vote for me, with delays in ratification, upgraded pay delays, possibly electing new representatives, those furloughed possibly losing their YOS, arbitrators giving us less not giving a crap about what US airlines make only Canadian ones, not the same leverage we had pre-strike going forward, just to name a few. In no time we'll be at the table again making another run at improving the TA further.

[Yogi21]

Am I hearing this right?? Is this true?

Forwarded from AC internal resource. This is the draft email which will be sent out in 48 hours after confirmation from ALPA legal.

Hello World Class Pilots,
As the vote opened, in just a matter of 6 hours, company requested to check the percentage of pilots that had already voted. The number was a staggering 79.7%. The fact that the pilots voted so quickly, it was evident that there are more NO votes. AC management approached the ACA MEC and proposed that they want to win votes from pilots on flat pay and wanted to do a last minute deal. They understood that these pilots have debts, mortgages and families.

A lot of the pilots on flat pay come with a lot of experience and the company has come to the realization that they do not want these pilots to do second jobs like Uber, Skip the dishes, working in grocery stores, working as barbers, working in a kitchen, working as delivery drivers, working in construction, working in call centres and the list goes on. ALPA MEC in consultation with legal accepted the proposal. MEC asked for one added condition which was Trainers also need a 40% bump which was agreed on. The following are the conditions.

-All pilots under YR 1 & YR 2 will get $12,000 as COLA paid in monthly instalments.
-All pilots under YR 3 & YR 4 will get $9,800 as COLA paid in monthly instalments.
-ACA will pay a family stipend of $9,500 for the first child, $6,800 for the second child and $4,000 for subsequent children up to a maximum $26,000 per year paid in monthly instalments. This would be applicable to pilots on YR 1-YR 4.
-Company provides 8 B1 passes to all pilots. The company will not be retroactively providing passes for the year 2023.

We strongly welcome this change and appreciate that the company has taken one step forward to value Air Canada pilots and making this a true foundation of a world class contract. More details on this coming shortly in a video message by the MEC. Keep an eye on your emails.

In Unity,
ACA MEC

Ive heard this on another group too. Can FACT team confirm this?

[tupues]

I'm a year 1 FO. I've got a kid, a mortgage and I finance my car. I can make ends meet but with not much savings. This TA provides a major uplift in pay and I can finally start putting money aside. I'm a Yes.

How?? How on earth can you make ends meet in Canada at one of the bases with 4000CAD, a mortgage, and a family... I must be doing something wrong, or your wife must be making an absolute killing.

[digits_]

Am I hearing this right?? Is this true?

Forwarded from AC internal resource. This is the draft email which will be sent out in 48 hours after confirmation from ALPA legal.

Hello World Class Pilots,
As the vote opened, in just a matter of 6 hours, company requested to check the percentage of pilots that had already voted. The number was a staggering 79.7%. The fact that the pilots voted so quickly, it was evident that there are more NO votes. AC management approached the ACA MEC and proposed that they want to win votes from pilots on flat pay and wanted to do a last minute deal. They understood that these pilots have debts, mortgages and families.

A lot of the pilots on flat pay come with a lot of experience and the company has come to the realization that they do not want these pilots to do second jobs like Uber, Skip the dishes, working in grocery stores, working as barbers, working in a kitchen, working as delivery drivers, working in construction, working in call centres and the list goes on. ALPA MEC in consultation with legal accepted the proposal. MEC asked for one added condition which was Trainers also need a 40% bump which was agreed on. The following are the conditions.

-All pilots under YR 1 & YR 2 will get $12,000 as COLA paid in monthly instalments.
-All pilots under YR 3 & YR 4 will get $9,800 as COLA paid in monthly instalments.
-ACA will pay a family stipend of $9,500 for the first child, $6,800 for the second child and $4,000 for subsequent children up to a maximum $26,000 per year paid in monthly instalments. This would be applicable to pilots on YR 1-YR 4.
-Company provides 8 B1 passes to all pilots. The company will not be retroactively providing passes for the year 2023.

We strongly welcome this change and appreciate that the company has taken one step forward to value Air Canada pilots and making this a true foundation of a world class contract. More details on this coming shortly in a video message by the MEC. Keep an eye on your emails.

In Unity,
ACA MEC

Ive heard this on another group too. Can FACT team confirm this?

If that's true, it sure is another great way to divide the pilot group. How does having children increase your value to the company and warrants extra pay?

And why is ALPA sharing vote results with the company this early?

This is all becoming very weird and messy.

[Tbayer2021]

I can't believe anyone thinks that's an actually comm about to be released. It literally sounds like it was written by a 6th grader.

Read previous communications, then read this one. Play spot the differences.

[Canadaflyer46]

I can't believe anyone thinks that's an actually comm about to be released. It literally sounds like it was written by a 6th grader.

Read previous communications, then read this one. Play spot the differences.

And he’s carpet bombed every forum with the same post. Absolute twaddle.

[Apestogetherstrong]

To: All Air Canada Pilots

From: ACA MEC

Re: Upcoming Compensation and Benefits Proposal

Fellow Pilots,

As the voting process commenced, it became apparent that within a span of six hours, the Company requested an update on the voting participation among pilots. The response rate was an impressive 79.7%. The rapidity of this voting suggests a significant inclination towards opposing the current proposal.

In light of these developments, Air Canada management engaged in discussions with the ACA MEC, expressing a desire to secure pilot support. They acknowledged the financial obligations faced by many pilots, including debts, mortgages, and familial responsibilities.

Recognizing that numerous pilots under the flat pay structure possess considerable experience, the Company has come to understand the necessity of ensuring that these pilots do not seek supplemental employment in various sectors, such as ride-sharing, grocery services, culinary positions, construction, and call centers.

In consultation with legal advisors, the ACA MEC has accepted the Company's proposal, with the stipulation that an additional 40% salary increase be granted to Trainers. The conditions agreed upon are as follows:

All pilots in Years 1 and 2 will receive a Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) of $12,000, to be disbursed in monthly installments.
All pilots in Years 3 and 4 will receive a COLA of $9,800, to be disbursed in monthly installments.
Air Canada will provide a family stipend of $9,500 for the first child, $6,800 for the second child, and $4,000 for each subsequent child, up to a maximum of $26,000 per year, payable in monthly installments. This stipulation applies to pilots in Years 1 through 4.
The Company will grant eight B1 passes to all pilots, though retroactive passes for the year 2023 will not be provided.
We welcome this initiative and appreciate the Company’s effort to recognize and value the contributions of Air Canada pilots, thereby establishing a solid foundation for a world-class contract. Further details will be communicated shortly through a video message from the MEC. Please remain vigilant for updates in your email.

In Unity,
ACA MEC

[RippleRock]

To: All Air Canada Pilots

From: ACA MEC

Re: Upcoming Compensation and Benefits Proposal

Fellow Pilots,

As the voting process commenced, it became apparent that within a span of six hours, the Company requested an update on the voting participation among pilots. The response rate was an impressive 79.7%. The rapidity of this voting suggests a significant inclination towards opposing the current proposal.

In light of these developments, Air Canada management engaged in discussions with the ACA MEC, expressing a desire to secure pilot support. They acknowledged the financial obligations faced by many pilots, including debts, mortgages, and familial responsibilities.

Recognizing that numerous pilots under the flat pay structure possess considerable experience, the Company has come to understand the necessity of ensuring that these pilots do not seek supplemental employment in various sectors, such as ride-sharing, grocery services, culinary positions, construction, and call centers.

In consultation with legal advisors, the ACA MEC has accepted the Company's proposal, with the stipulation that an additional 40% salary increase be granted to Trainers. The conditions agreed upon are as follows:

All pilots in Years 1 and 2 will receive a Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) of $12,000, to be disbursed in monthly installments.
All pilots in Years 3 and 4 will receive a COLA of $9,800, to be disbursed in monthly installments.
Air Canada will provide a family stipend of $9,500 for the first child, $6,800 for the second child, and $4,000 for each subsequent child, up to a maximum of $26,000 per year, payable in monthly installments. This stipulation applies to pilots in Years 1 through 4.
The Company will grant eight B1 passes to all pilots, though retroactive passes for the year 2023 will not be provided.
We welcome this initiative and appreciate the Company’s effort to recognize and value the contributions of Air Canada pilots, thereby establishing a solid foundation for a world-class contract. Further details will be communicated shortly through a video message from the MEC. Please remain vigilant for updates in your email.

In Unity,
ACA MEC

You're a Douche.

Westjet must be proud to call you one of theirs.

Pollute someone else's forum. Bede, reel in your FO troll.

[alkaseltzer]

To: All Air Canada Pilots

From: ACA MEC

Re: Upcoming Compensation and Benefits Proposal

Fellow Pilots,

As the voting process commenced, it became apparent that within a span of six hours, the Company requested an update on the voting participation among pilots. The response rate was an impressive 79.7%. The rapidity of this voting suggests a significant inclination towards opposing the current proposal.

In light of these developments, Air Canada management engaged in discussions with the ACA MEC, expressing a desire to secure pilot support. They acknowledged the financial obligations faced by many pilots, including debts, mortgages, and familial responsibilities.

Recognizing that numerous pilots under the flat pay structure possess considerable experience, the Company has come to understand the necessity of ensuring that these pilots do not seek supplemental employment in various sectors, such as ride-sharing, grocery services, culinary positions, construction, and call centers.

In consultation with legal advisors, the ACA MEC has accepted the Company's proposal, with the stipulation that an additional 40% salary increase be granted to Trainers. The conditions agreed upon are as follows:

All pilots in Years 1 and 2 will receive a Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) of $12,000, to be disbursed in monthly installments.
All pilots in Years 3 and 4 will receive a COLA of $9,800, to be disbursed in monthly installments.
Air Canada will provide a family stipend of $9,500 for the first child, $6,800 for the second child, and $4,000 for each subsequent child, up to a maximum of $26,000 per year, payable in monthly installments. This stipulation applies to pilots in Years 1 through 4.
The Company will grant eight B1 passes to all pilots, though retroactive passes for the year 2023 will not be provided.
We welcome this initiative and appreciate the Company’s effort to recognize and value the contributions of Air Canada pilots, thereby establishing a solid foundation for a world-class contract. Further details will be communicated shortly through a video message from the MEC. Please remain vigilant for updates in your email.

In Unity,
ACA MEC

Surprised you still have testicles…attached.

[canadianfly]

To: All Air Canada Pilots

From: ACA MEC

Re: Upcoming Compensation and Benefits Proposal

Fellow Pilots,

As the voting process commenced, it became apparent that within a span of six hours, the Company requested an update on the voting participation among pilots. The response rate was an impressive 79.7%. The rapidity of this voting suggests a significant inclination towards opposing the current proposal.

In light of these developments, Air Canada management engaged in discussions with the ACA MEC, expressing a desire to secure pilot support. They acknowledged the financial obligations faced by many pilots, including debts, mortgages, and familial responsibilities.

Recognizing that numerous pilots under the flat pay structure possess considerable experience, the Company has come to understand the necessity of ensuring that these pilots do not seek supplemental employment in various sectors, such as ride-sharing, grocery services, culinary positions, construction, and call centers.

In consultation with legal advisors, the ACA MEC has accepted the Company's proposal, with the stipulation that an additional 40% salary increase be granted to Trainers. The conditions agreed upon are as follows:

All pilots in Years 1 and 2 will receive a Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) of $12,000, to be disbursed in monthly installments.
All pilots in Years 3 and 4 will receive a COLA of $9,800, to be disbursed in monthly installments.
Air Canada will provide a family stipend of $9,500 for the first child, $6,800 for the second child, and $4,000 for each subsequent child, up to a maximum of $26,000 per year, payable in monthly installments. This stipulation applies to pilots in Years 1 through 4.
The Company will grant eight B1 passes to all pilots, though retroactive passes for the year 2023 will not be provided.
We welcome this initiative and appreciate the Company’s effort to recognize and value the contributions of Air Canada pilots, thereby establishing a solid foundation for a world-class contract. Further details will be communicated shortly through a video message from the MEC. Please remain vigilant for updates in your email.

In Unity,
ACA MEC

It smells like spoofing or amateur propaganda and if this proposition is genuine, i would fire the dude that authorized it on the spot.

[Allfourseasons]

A northern Ontario medevac operator flying PC12 just came out with a PayScale that's on par with the narrowbody FO wages in the new TA for the first couple years. Ornge went to arbitration where the arbitrator distributed a majority of the extra money to the first officers who were significantly lagging behind. The unions original proposal had almost all the gains at the end of the captain scale. The arbitrator said not so fast. The idea that the arbitrator will hurt the new TA is flat out misinformation, and likely being spouted by those who will not be able to afford their 3rd or 4th sportscar if the FOs start at a more deserving wage. Embarrassing that this TA was even proposed to the group after all the WCC talk. Thanks YWG for your 3 votes for a base of 50 pilots.

[kiaszceski]

To: All Air Canada Pilots

From: ACA MEC

Re: Upcoming Compensation and Benefits Proposal

Fellow Pilots,

As the voting process commenced, it became apparent that within a span of six hours, the Company requested an update on the voting participation among pilots. The response rate was an impressive 79.7%. The rapidity of this voting suggests a significant inclination towards opposing the current proposal.

In light of these developments, Air Canada management engaged in discussions with the ACA MEC, expressing a desire to secure pilot support. They acknowledged the financial obligations faced by many pilots, including debts, mortgages, and familial responsibilities.

Recognizing that numerous pilots under the flat pay structure possess considerable experience, the Company has come to understand the necessity of ensuring that these pilots do not seek supplemental employment in various sectors, such as ride-sharing, grocery services, culinary positions, construction, and call centers.

In consultation with legal advisors, the ACA MEC has accepted the Company's proposal, with the stipulation that an additional 40% salary increase be granted to Trainers. The conditions agreed upon are as follows:

All pilots in Years 1 and 2 will receive a Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) of $12,000, to be disbursed in monthly installments.
All pilots in Years 3 and 4 will receive a COLA of $9,800, to be disbursed in monthly installments.
Air Canada will provide a family stipend of $9,500 for the first child, $6,800 for the second child, and $4,000 for each subsequent child, up to a maximum of $26,000 per year, payable in monthly installments. This stipulation applies to pilots in Years 1 through 4.
The Company will grant eight B1 passes to all pilots, though retroactive passes for the year 2023 will not be provided.
We welcome this initiative and appreciate the Company’s effort to recognize and value the contributions of Air Canada pilots, thereby establishing a solid foundation for a world-class contract. Further details will be communicated shortly through a video message from the MEC. Please remain vigilant for updates in your email.

In Unity,
ACA MEC

It smells like spoofing or amateur propaganda and if this proposition is genuine, i would fire the dude that authorized it on the spot.

Why would the company give more if the response rate is almost 80% after 2 days...

[cdnavater]

A northern Ontario medevac operator flying PC12 just came out with a PayScale that's on par with the narrowbody FO wages in the new TA for the first couple years. Ornge went to arbitration where the arbitrator distributed a majority of the extra money to the first officers who were significantly lagging behind. The unions original proposal had almost all the gains at the end of the captain scale. The arbitrator said not so fast. The idea that the arbitrator will hurt the new TA is flat out misinformation, and likely being spouted by those who will not be able to afford their 3rd or 4th sportscar if the FOs start at a more deserving wage. Embarrassing that this TA was even proposed to the group after all the WCC talk. Thanks YWG for your 3 votes for a base of 50 pilots.

You see it from the junior point of view which of course is human but your statement that arbitration won’t “hurt” the TA backed up with an arbitrator who took from the Captain increase to bring up the bottom, clearly it hurt some!
Here is a fact, the new FO pay is almost exactly adjusted for inflation over the last 20 years,
https://inflationcalculator.ca/
48,000 in 2005 equals 71312.30 in 2024 and 200,000 is now 297,134, 300,000 is now 445,701, how are junior FOs more deserving than Captains who have been falling behind for the last 20-25 years?

[Dry Guy]

The vote's over by now cdnaviator. You're just wasting bandwidth and brain cells. And you're all outta brain cells.

[Allfourseasons]

A northern Ontario medevac operator flying PC12 just came out with a PayScale that's on par with the narrowbody FO wages in the new TA for the first couple years. Ornge went to arbitration where the arbitrator distributed a majority of the extra money to the first officers who were significantly lagging behind. The unions original proposal had almost all the gains at the end of the captain scale. The arbitrator said not so fast. The idea that the arbitrator will hurt the new TA is flat out misinformation, and likely being spouted by those who will not be able to afford their 3rd or 4th sportscar if the FOs start at a more deserving wage. Embarrassing that this TA was even proposed to the group after all the WCC talk. Thanks YWG for your 3 votes for a base of 50 pilots.

You see it from the junior point of view which of course is human but your statement that arbitration won’t “hurt” the TA backed up with an arbitrator who took from the Captain increase to bring up the bottom, clearly it hurt some!
Here is a fact, the new FO pay is almost exactly adjusted for inflation over the last 20 years,
https://inflationcalculator.ca/
48,000 in 2005 equals 71312.30 in 2024 and 200,000 is now 297,134, 300,000 is now 445,701, how are junior FOs more deserving than Captains who have been falling behind for the last 20-25 years?

Even though adjusted for inflation the numbers look okay, the general cost of living has far exceeded what the wages can give. 50k in 2005 could buy you a house in the GTA, 80k in 2024 absolutely cannot, on the easiest example. The money doesn't go as far nowadays, and when you're flying an airliner it's honestly embarrassing to be making a wage that doesn't allow you to give your family a good opportunity. The end of the scale guys aren't hurting, even with the 20 years of underpayment they've had. I don't know a single 777 capt whose hurting, but every single FO I know struggles to keep up with the bills. And that's just inappropriate in a field of work like the one you and I are in. Canadian pilots make significantly less than all of their counterparts, and even though this is a "raise" we still sit behind the rest of the world.

[Aerkavo]

A northern Ontario medevac operator flying PC12 just came out with a PayScale that's on par with the narrowbody FO wages in the new TA for the first couple years. Ornge went to arbitration where the arbitrator distributed a majority of the extra money to the first officers who were significantly lagging behind. The unions original proposal had almost all the gains at the end of the captain scale. The arbitrator said not so fast. The idea that the arbitrator will hurt the new TA is flat out misinformation, and likely being spouted by those who will not be able to afford their 3rd or 4th sportscar if the FOs start at a more deserving wage. Embarrassing that this TA was even proposed to the group after all the WCC talk. Thanks YWG for your 3 votes for a base of 50 pilots.

So, why aren't you taking that job flying medevacs?

AC and the union (ACPA at the time) went through something like this before. The Embraer was grossly underpaid in comparison to the other fleets. The company agreed to give a substantial raise and the Embraer pilots and union were all high-fiving each other over their "big win". Then a year later the company announced they were being sold off - all the extra money being paid to the group was lost when the aircraft left. Getting big raises for 1st and 2nd year pilots is similar - as soon as you become a 3rd year pilot that benefit is lost.

The argument that a senior pilot will be buying another sailboat and the junior guy can't afford groceries is built on a false generalization. Of course these people exist but they are not representative.

I have talked to a range of pilots over this issue;

- 1 junior guy who's single and lives in his parent's basement - thinks the money is fine and looks forward to an upgrade in a couple years - voting yes.
- Another junior guy, wife, 1 kid, wife works, says money is OK, just bought a house in Barrie - voting yes because he sees the longterm pay as better
- Senior guy, 1 kid in university, another disabled living at home, wife doesn't work, no sports car, no sailboat, voting yes.
- senior guy with pension from previous career and part time job, voting no because of QoL issues.

The point is that breaking this down as a bunch of senior guys being greedy against a bunch of junior guys who are starving is overly simplistic.

I talked to one junior guy who thinks we should get more pay for the junior guys now at the expense of the senior guys and then in 4 years we should negotiate raises for the top end at the expense of the junior guys. When I point out that this would benefit the group he's in now and the group he will be in later and that it's somewhat self-serving - no reply.

[1759]

Only 3 years left in the "new" contract. They will be back at the table in 2 years time.

[tango308]

I'm a year 1 FO. I've got a kid, a mortgage and I finance my car. I can make ends meet but with not much savings. This TA provides a major uplift in pay and I can finally start putting money aside. I'm a Yes.

How?? How on earth can you make ends meet in Canada at one of the bases with 4000CAD, a mortgage, and a family... I must be doing something wrong, or your wife must be making an absolute killing.

My wife is an elementary school teacher, I wouldn't say she is making a killing but she has an ok salary. How? We budget and try to live within our means. There's no doubts that on my current salary we make some sacrifices. If this TA goes thru I jump to 86K right away and 96K 4 months later when I hit Y2. Add in the ratification bonus. I find this completely acceptable.

[khedrei]

I'm a year 1 FO. I've got a kid, a mortgage and I finance my car. I can make ends meet but with not much savings. This TA provides a major uplift in pay and I can finally start putting money aside. I'm a Yes.

How?? How on earth can you make ends meet in Canada at one of the bases with 4000CAD, a mortgage, and a family... I must be doing something wrong, or your wife must be making an absolute killing.

My wife is an elementary school teacher, I wouldn't say she is making a killing but she has an ok salary. How? We budget and try to live within our means. There's no doubts that on my current salary we make some sacrifices. If this TA goes thru I jump to 86K right away and 96K 4 months later when I hit Y2. Add in the ratification bonus. I find this completely acceptable.

From what I read, YR 1 pay is 78k. 75hrs x 87 x 12 months = 78k.