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Political Messaging on Uniforms

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Today an FA was wearing a NDTR (National Day for Truth and Reconciliation) pin on her uniform. Let me be very clear—political messaging of any kind has NO place on company uniforms, regardless of the cause. This kind of behavior is a distraction from the professionalism expected in a workplace environment, especially in a role as visible as a flight attendant.

When you're in uniform, you represent the airline. Passengers expect you to remain neutral, focused on their comfort and safety. Wearing a pin that conveys a political or social message—no matter how well-intentioned—undermines that neutrality. It can create division among passengers and distract from your primary role.

There are appropriate platforms for expressing your personal beliefs: social media, your personal life, and other spaces outside of work. But when you're wearing the company’s uniform, it’s not the time or place for political or social statements. This kind of behavior damages the airline's reputation and can alienate passengers.

I’ve already reported this incident to the airline and the FA’s union, because it should not be tolerated. It’s unprofessional, and it disregards the expectations of the job. Everyone should be adhering to company standards, which are in place to maintain professionalism and the airline's image.

Bottom line: if you want to support a cause, do it on your own time. When you're in uniform, you're there to do your job—not make statements. Let's keep professionalism where it belongs. I hope she enjoys unemployment.
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Our company was handing out those pins and encouraging us to wear them. I chose not to support the current thing. :lol:
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Inverted2 wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:34 pm Our company was handing out those pins and encouraging us to wear them. I chose not to support the current thing. :lol:
Supporting a fake cause. This is shameful. It’s a fraud.
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I know, I know, don’t engage the trolls. But I’m just too curious to miss the chance to hear your explanation as to why this is a “fake cause”.
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There's not much in the way of truth going on and I'm not so sure reconciliation is ever possible based on what the result of that would be if the goals of the current identity driven woke sphere are met. ie. Decolonization, full public land control/transfer, UNDRIP...

The modern world is here along with the highest standard of living and opportunity ever in recorded history and by a large margin - get with it or don't. But don't sit and complain about it.

Identity warfare is the evolution of Marxism, instead it's not based on economic class, it's based on race/gender/sexuality based implied victimhood. Feelings over reality.

Humanity keeps on moving... Get with it. Be grateful you are in the West.

How would it have been were the Nazis/Imperial Japanese/Soviets to have won? How about those feelings?
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ant_321 wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:57 pm I know, I know, don’t engage the trolls. But I’m just too curious to miss the chance to hear your explanation as to why this is a “fake cause”.
No proof, no bodies, just lies.
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altiplano wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:05 pm There's not much in the way of truth going on and I'm not so sure reconciliation is ever possible based on what the result of that would be if the goals of the current identity driven woke sphere are met. ie. Decolonization, full public land control/transfer, UNDRIP...

The modern world is here along with the highest standard of living and opportunity ever in recorded history and by a large margin - get with it or don't. But don't sit and complain about it.

Identity warfare is the evolution of Marxism, instead it's not based on economic class, it's based on race/gender/sexuality based implied victimhood. Feelings over reality.

Humanity keeps on moving... Get with it. Be grateful you are in the West.

How would it have been were the Nazis/Imperial Japanese/Soviets to have won? How about those feelings?
You misunderstood my post. I wasn’t interested in an explanation of why reasonable people would disagree with the movement. I was interested to hear the nut jobs explanation.
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Who cares? Not sarcastic but honestly. Big F'in deal. Get paid. Go home.
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I'm not on board with most of his post in the other thread, but you gotta give credit where it's due.

This one hit the mark, right up until the last sentence.
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BrassCraft,
We had a flight attendant who had a pin on her uniform that said, Sixties Scoop Survivor…. We were coming back from Europe and she explained that in Canada child welfare authorities came to take, or "scoop up," Indigenous children from their families and communities for placement in foster homes.
She talked about the abuse that happened back then that I was unaware during that period, separate from the residential schools.
When I went on my break we chatted some more about, the last time she saw her sister and brother she was eight.
Puts life in perspective, here I am 46 years old Captain on A330 about to sign a contract paying me approximately 400K and I’m bitching about the coverage of acupuncture in our TA.
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You have a problem with a Canadian flight attendant at Air Canada celebrating a Canadian federal statutory holiday?


If you don't like the holiday, that's fine, but then direct your anger towards parties that can do something about it. Not your coworkers.
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digits_ wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:10 pm You have a problem with a Canadian flight attendant at Air Canada celebrating a Canadian national statutory holiday?


If you don't like the holiday, that's fine, but then direct your anger towards parties that can do something about it. Not your coworkers.
Agreed, the company is handing out rainbow lanyards, I seriously doubt this FA will be in trouble for wearing a pin about truth and reconciliation!
I can imagine the headlines, flight attendant fired for truth and reconciliation pin, yah, that should go well!
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digits_ wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:10 pm You have a problem with a Canadian flight attendant at Air Canada celebrating a Canadian national statutory holiday?


If you don't like the holiday, that's fine, but then direct your anger towards parties that can do something about it. Not your coworkers.
Small correction, it's a federal stat holiday but only recognized provincially in BC and PEI as well as territorially in Yukon and NWT.
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Donald wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:03 pm
digits_ wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:10 pm You have a problem with a Canadian flight attendant at Air Canada celebrating a Canadian national statutory holiday?


If you don't like the holiday, that's fine, but then direct your anger towards parties that can do something about it. Not your coworkers.
Small correction, it's a federal stat holiday but only recognized provincially in BC and PEI as well as territorially in Yukon and NWT.
I've corrected the 'national' to 'federal'.
MB recognizes it too.
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I’m a passenger (commercially, anyway)

I couldn’t care less about an FA’s pin.

I’m ahead of the game if the FA doesn’t slam into me with an oversized a$$, as far as I am concerned, sitting in my aisle seat.
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BrassCraft wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:17 pm Today an FA was wearing a NDTR (National Day for Truth and Reconciliation) pin on her uniform. Let me be very clear—political messaging of any kind has NO place on company uniforms, regardless of the cause. This kind of behavior is a distraction from the professionalism expected in a workplace environment, especially in a role as visible as a flight attendant.

When you're in uniform, you represent the airline. Passengers expect you to remain neutral, focused on their comfort and safety. Wearing a pin that conveys a political or social message—no matter how well-intentioned—undermines that neutrality. It can create division among passengers and distract from your primary role.

There are appropriate platforms for expressing your personal beliefs: social media, your personal life, and other spaces outside of work. But when you're wearing the company’s uniform, it’s not the time or place for political or social statements. This kind of behavior damages the airline's reputation and can alienate passengers.

I’ve already reported this incident to the airline and the FA’s union, because it should not be tolerated. It’s unprofessional, and it disregards the expectations of the job. Everyone should be adhering to company standards, which are in place to maintain professionalism and the airline's image.

Bottom line: if you want to support a cause, do it on your own time. When you're in uniform, you're there to do your job—not make statements. Let's keep professionalism where it belongs. I hope she enjoys unemployment.
So, you went out of your way to rat out one of your coworkers because you don't agree with her pin that just coincided with a federal holiday? I can't tell if you're trolling and bored enough to come up with this kind of a write up, or actually serious. If it's the latter, it might be time to find a hobby and/or retire. Same goes with anyone who agrees with him enough to care this much. Man oh man the people that they let fly airplanes :lol:

Seriously get a life. May your flight attendants never take care of you specifically ever again....
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Stop feeding the trolls. New accounts with extreme language. Comeon. Just ignore
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I thought we were required to wear 21 pieces of flair?
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As long as they don’t wear Hamas or Hezbollah pins, which flags seem to be permitted everywhere in Toronto, I don’t have an issue with any pin an FA wears.

I had better never ever see the ones I mentioned.
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Trudeau has been really good to the indigenous of Canada. He has nearly trippled the spending since 2015 which is now over 30 billion each year. The indigenous represent 5 percent of Canada's population. Canadians spend more on indigenous affairs than military.

I did the math. An Air Canada 777 Captain will pay 6 percent of their federal income taxes to indigenous affairs. $6500 each year.
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