SHOW UNITY. VOTE NO!

[tango308]

How?? How on earth can you make ends meet in Canada at one of the bases with 4000CAD, a mortgage, and a family... I must be doing something wrong, or your wife must be making an absolute killing.

My wife is an elementary school teacher, I wouldn't say she is making a killing but she has an ok salary. How? We budget and try to live within our means. There's no doubts that on my current salary we make some sacrifices. If this TA goes thru I jump to 86K right away and 96K 4 months later when I hit Y2. Add in the ratification bonus. I find this completely acceptable.

From what I read, YR 1 pay is 78k. 75hrs x 87 x 12 months = 78k.

The greater of 75hrs or MBG. RSV MBG on my fleet last month was 80. 80 x 87 x 12 = 83k...yeah i guess not quite 86k.

[cdnavater]

The vote's over by now cdnaviator. You're just wasting bandwidth and brain cells. And you're all outta brain cells.

,,!,,

[Apestogetherstrong]

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[rudder]

Only 3 years left in the "new" contract. They will be back at the table in 2 years time.

Not in normal course bargaining they won’t.

Previously described - notice of intent to bargain served no sooner than four months prior (May 31, 2027). This isn’t the auto workers who will not work without a CBA so bargaining not likely to commence before September. A long shopping list of deficiencies (leftover from Contract 2023) will be brought to the table by ALPA so bargaining will continue in to Q2 2028. You might get to a strike deadline sometime in May 2028. All the while working under CBA 2023 WAWCON.

Be realistic. That is how it works.

[thrust set]

Just voted -Yes
Time to move on.
TS

[Goodman5]

Just voted -Yes
Time to move on.
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What you really mean is.. time to capitulate. Would be funny if it weren’t sad.

[Core]

Just voted -Yes
Time to move on.
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You guys really just live to work. Crazy. What's the point of a decent salary if you're never off and you're miserably counting the days till retirement while rolling the dice that you're not gonna clamp up at 66. Nutty.

You do you, but I'd be voting no and getting those QOL improvements. Key word there is LIFE.

[canadianfly]

Just voted -Yes
Time to move on.
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It's fascinating and sad to see how ppl are prone to lie down as flat as a pancake with legs spread wide open without a fight.

Yes democracy it is, but democracy did not come from heaven on a silver platter, it was acquired through fights put up by courageous men and women and you're not one of them.

[tupues]

I'm a year 1 FO. I've got a kid, a mortgage and I finance my car. I can make ends meet but with not much savings. This TA provides a major uplift in pay and I can finally start putting money aside. I'm a Yes.

How?? How on earth can you make ends meet in Canada at one of the bases with 4000CAD, a mortgage, and a family... I must be doing something wrong, or your wife must be making an absolute killing.

My wife is an elementary school teacher, I wouldn't say she is making a killing but she has an ok salary. How? We budget and try to live within our means. There's no doubts that on my current salary we make some sacrifices. If this TA goes thru I jump to 86K right away and 96K 4 months later when I hit Y2. Add in the ratification bonus. I find this completely acceptable.

Yeah so that makes slightly more sense - perhaps you should have included that in your initial punchline when trying to show how great the new salary is. You made it sound as though you can feed your family with your salary alone, which clearly isn't the case. I bet your wife makes more than you lol... shows how pathetic this all is. And no, ratification is not really a bonus... clearly you never got an actual bonus. funny how they washed your brains. All for the NHL of airlines I guess.

[co-joe]

To: All Air Canada Pilots

From: ACA MEC

Re: ...

Troll

[Launchpad1]

Just voted -Yes
Time to move on.
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Imagine if Churchill had shared your spirit in WW2 - well I think we should just give up and call it a day eh.

We could have done better than this, we should have done better than this.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Just voted -Yes
Time to move on.
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Imagine if Churchill had shared your spirit in WW2 - well I think we should just give up and call it a day eh.

We could have done better than this, we should have done better than this.

Funny you say this. I was just thinking of quotes from world leaders….. he had a couple good one.

“If you’re going through hell, keep going”

[Launchpad1]

Funny you say this. I was just thinking of quotes from world leaders….. he had a couple good one.

“If you’re going through hell, keep going”

Yeah that's a good one!

Imagine if he'd said 'We shall fight them on the beaches, we shall fight them on the landing grounds, we shall never surrender - unless they threaten us with the possibility of arbitration, in that case we will have gotten to peak leverage and should just accept it'.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Funny you say this. I was just thinking of quotes from world leaders….. he had a couple good one.

“If you’re going through hell, keep going”

Yeah that's a good one!

Imagine if he'd said 'We shall fight them on the beaches, we shall fight them on the landing grounds, we shall never surrender - unless they threaten us with the possibility of arbitration, in that case we will have gotten to peak leverage and should just accept it'.

I’m dead.

[Aerkavo]

Just voted -Yes
Time to move on.
TS

Imagine if Churchill had shared your spirit in WW2 - well I think we should just give up and call it a day eh.

We could have done better than this, we should have done better than this.

I see you edited your post. I was going to reply to your comment that you'll never understand why someone might vote contrary to you.

You must find life very difficult. People have different concerns and make different value judgements - it's called freewill. It's not that "we could have done better", it's "we might have done better". You obviously think it's highly likely that a better deal was possible others think the possibly is low or not worth the risk.

I find it odd, but not unusual, when I meet someone who is 100% convinced that they are completely correct and everyone else is an idiot. You see it here in this thread , you see it when people argue politics. Reality is more nuanced and way more complicated than people realize.

Voting NO might lead to a better deal and it might lead to a worse deal. A person's assessment of the odds of each possibility and their ability to live with the negative outcome associated with each will determine their opinions - pretty much the same as every situation and every question in life.

Clearly it's important to try to present information and even persuade people if you think they have it wrong but that's where it must end. Pronouncing that someone is a coward for making a different decision or painting them as greedy or stupid is faulty thinking.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Just voted -Yes
Time to move on.
TS

Imagine if Churchill had shared your spirit in WW2 - well I think we should just give up and call it a day eh.

We could have done better than this, we should have done better than this.

I see you edited your post. I was going to reply to your comment that you'll never understand why someone might vote contrary to you.

You must find life very difficult. People have different concerns and make different value judgements - it's called freewill. It's not that "we could have done better", it's "we might have done better". You obviously think it's highly likely that a better deal was possible others think the possibly is low or not worth the risk.

I find it odd, but not unusual, when I meet someone who is 100% convinced that they are completely correct and everyone else is an idiot. You see it here in this thread , you see it when people argue politics. Reality is more nuanced and way more complicated than people realize.

Voting NO might lead to a better deal and it might lead to a worse deal. A person's assessment of the odds of each possibility and their ability to live with the negative outcome associated with each will determine their opinions - pretty much the same as every situation and every question in life.

Clearly it's important to try to present information and even persuade people if you think they have it wrong but that's where it must end. Pronouncing that someone is a coward for making a different decision or painting them as greedy or stupid is faulty thinking.

Trying to deep therapy dive someone’s mind on an anonymous aviation thread is also faulty thinking. But cheers. Is it noon yet?

[Aerkavo]

Trying to deep therapy dive someone’s mind on an anonymous aviation thread is also faulty thinking.

It might be pointless or a waste of time but it isn't faulty.

Here, "lie down on my couch and get comfortable. Tell me about your childhood."

[cdnavater]

Just voted -Yes
Time to move on.
TS

Imagine if Churchill had shared your spirit in WW2 - well I think we should just give up and call it a day eh.

We could have done better than this, we should have done better than this.

I see you edited your post. I was going to reply to your comment that you'll never understand why someone might vote contrary to you.

You must find life very difficult. People have different concerns and make different value judgements - it's called freewill. It's not that "we could have done better", it's "we might have done better". You obviously think it's highly likely that a better deal was possible others think the possibly is low or not worth the risk.

I find it odd, but not unusual, when I meet someone who is 100% convinced that they are completely correct and everyone else is an idiot. You see it here in this thread , you see it when people argue politics. Reality is more nuanced and way more complicated than people realize.

Voting NO might lead to a better deal and it might lead to a worse deal. A person's assessment of the odds of each possibility and their ability to live with the negative outcome associated with each will determine their opinions - pretty much the same as every situation and every question in life.

Clearly it's important to try to present information and even persuade people if you think they have it wrong but that's where it must end. Pronouncing that someone is a coward for making a different decision or painting them as greedy or stupid is faulty thinking.

It’s important to remember that peoples perception of risk is influenced by past experience and if you’ve been in this business for as long as the senior pilots, your risk tolerance will be very, if not extremely low.
I think it would be fair to say, the majority of the NOs are in the younger demographic, perhaps 25-30, while the majority of the YESes would be in the 45-60, leaving a gap of swing voters 31-44.
If you haven’t truly had to deal with the consequences of your actions for your whole life, you personally feel there are no consequences, hence the young crowd thinking a NO vote will simply send it back for massive improvements while unicorns and rainbows fill the skies.
This is where Duke likes to point out the Jazz 17 year deal and I respond it’s a direct result of SR pilots undercutting us, so we can skip that, ok, Duke?
It does however illustrate my point about consequences, so there is that!
The younger generation of pilots have not had to fail anything in their brief existence, they don’t deal well with failure. I’ve literally had pilots cry and say things like my career is over after a failure during initial training.
I know of pilots who showed up unprepared for the session and couldn’t answer the questions for the pre sim briefing, when it was time to go in the SIM, they told the instructor they needed 15 minutes to meditate, he responded well the slot is 4 hours and I’ll be in there waiting, but there will be consequences if we don’t get done, they were almost too upset to continue the session, they’re words!
This is just to say, the everyone gets a ribbon generation doesn’t really know what can happen, like Aerkavo said, it MIGHT get more or it MIGHT get arbitration and lose some of the things agreed to that no one else has got, it’s a gamble, that is a guarantee!
Good luck to the AC pilots!

[CaptDukeNukem]

Imagine if Churchill had shared your spirit in WW2 - well I think we should just give up and call it a day eh.

We could have done better than this, we should have done better than this.

I see you edited your post. I was going to reply to your comment that you'll never understand why someone might vote contrary to you.

You must find life very difficult. People have different concerns and make different value judgements - it's called freewill. It's not that "we could have done better", it's "we might have done better". You obviously think it's highly likely that a better deal was possible others think the possibly is low or not worth the risk.

I find it odd, but not unusual, when I meet someone who is 100% convinced that they are completely correct and everyone else is an idiot. You see it here in this thread , you see it when people argue politics. Reality is more nuanced and way more complicated than people realize.

Voting NO might lead to a better deal and it might lead to a worse deal. A person's assessment of the odds of each possibility and their ability to live with the negative outcome associated with each will determine their opinions - pretty much the same as every situation and every question in life.

Clearly it's important to try to present information and even persuade people if you think they have it wrong but that's where it must end. Pronouncing that someone is a coward for making a different decision or painting them as greedy or stupid is faulty thinking.

It’s important to remember that peoples perception of risk is influenced by past experience and if you’ve been in this business for as long as the senior pilots, your risk tolerance will be very, if not extremely low.
I think it would be fair to say, the majority of the NOs are in the younger demographic, perhaps 25-30, while the majority of the YESes would be in the 45-60, leaving a gap of swing voters 31-44.
If you haven’t truly had to deal with the consequences of your actions for your whole life, you personally feel there are no consequences, hence the young crowd thinking a NO vote will simply send it back for massive improvements while unicorns and rainbows fill the skies.
This is where Duke likes to point out the Jazz 17 year deal and I respond it’s a direct result of SR pilots undercutting us, so we can skip that, ok, Duke?
It does however illustrate my point about consequences, so there is that!
The younger generation of pilots have not had to fail anything in their brief existence, they don’t deal well with failure. I’ve literally had pilots cry and say things like my career is over after a failure during initial training.
I know of pilots who showed up unprepared for the session and couldn’t answer the questions for the pre sim briefing, when it was time to go in the SIM, they told the instructor they needed 15 minutes to meditate, he responded well the slot is 4 hours and I’ll be in there waiting, but there will be consequences if we don’t get done, they were almost too upset to continue the session, they’re words!
This is just to say, the everyone gets a ribbon generation doesn’t really know what can happen, like Aerkavo said, it MIGHT get more or it MIGHT get arbitration and lose some of the things agreed to that no one else has got, it’s a gamble, that is a guarantee!
Good luck to the AC pilots!

lol. I kinda got this love hate with you Cdnavater. You brought up the 17 year contract all on your own.

It’s okay, Sky reg definitely was used to screw other pilots over. I can admit that.

But it’s happening again. Maybe not in the same way you and I are used to.

[rudder]

I see you edited your post. I was going to reply to your comment that you'll never understand why someone might vote contrary to you.

You must find life very difficult. People have different concerns and make different value judgements - it's called freewill. It's not that "we could have done better", it's "we might have done better". You obviously think it's highly likely that a better deal was possible others think the possibly is low or not worth the risk.

I find it odd, but not unusual, when I meet someone who is 100% convinced that they are completely correct and everyone else is an idiot. You see it here in this thread , you see it when people argue politics. Reality is more nuanced and way more complicated than people realize.

Voting NO might lead to a better deal and it might lead to a worse deal. A person's assessment of the odds of each possibility and their ability to live with the negative outcome associated with each will determine their opinions - pretty much the same as every situation and every question in life.

Clearly it's important to try to present information and even persuade people if you think they have it wrong but that's where it must end. Pronouncing that someone is a coward for making a different decision or painting them as greedy or stupid is faulty thinking.

It’s important to remember that peoples perception of risk is influenced by past experience and if you’ve been in this business for as long as the senior pilots, your risk tolerance will be very, if not extremely low.
I think it would be fair to say, the majority of the NOs are in the younger demographic, perhaps 25-30, while the majority of the YESes would be in the 45-60, leaving a gap of swing voters 31-44.
If you haven’t truly had to deal with the consequences of your actions for your whole life, you personally feel there are no consequences, hence the young crowd thinking a NO vote will simply send it back for massive improvements while unicorns and rainbows fill the skies.
This is where Duke likes to point out the Jazz 17 year deal and I respond it’s a direct result of SR pilots undercutting us, so we can skip that, ok, Duke?
It does however illustrate my point about consequences, so there is that!
The younger generation of pilots have not had to fail anything in their brief existence, they don’t deal well with failure. I’ve literally had pilots cry and say things like my career is over after a failure during initial training.
I know of pilots who showed up unprepared for the session and couldn’t answer the questions for the pre sim briefing, when it was time to go in the SIM, they told the instructor they needed 15 minutes to meditate, he responded well the slot is 4 hours and I’ll be in there waiting, but there will be consequences if we don’t get done, they were almost too upset to continue the session, they’re words!
This is just to say, the everyone gets a ribbon generation doesn’t really know what can happen, like Aerkavo said, it MIGHT get more or it MIGHT get arbitration and lose some of the things agreed to that no one else has got, it’s a gamble, that is a guarantee!
Good luck to the AC pilots!

lol. I kinda got this love hate with you Cdnavater. You brought up the 17 year contract all on your own.

It’s okay, Sky reg definitely was used to screw other pilots over. I can admit that.

But it’s happening again. Maybe not in the same way you and I are used to.

This has nothing to do with the subject thread but……. If AC/SKV hadn’t laid the E175 pilots off during COVID and if AC didn’t do a deal with CHR/ALPA to take the E175 fleet plus pilots under the less than attractive Jazz CBA then perhaps Porter would have had less success recruiting the entire senior operational Flt ops group, a majority of the training dept, and a ton of line pilots to allow for a record breaking spool up of the E2 operation.

The $$ clearly make a huge difference but the history matters too. Lots of poor decisions led to where things have evolved.

[rookiepilot]

Just voted -Yes
Time to move on.
TS

Imagine if Churchill had shared your spirit in WW2 - well I think we should just give up and call it a day eh.

LOL.

Should the boys fighting the Battle of Britain asked for a good union contract first?

Clown show

[cdnavater]

I see you edited your post. I was going to reply to your comment that you'll never understand why someone might vote contrary to you.

You must find life very difficult. People have different concerns and make different value judgements - it's called freewill. It's not that "we could have done better", it's "we might have done better". You obviously think it's highly likely that a better deal was possible others think the possibly is low or not worth the risk.

I find it odd, but not unusual, when I meet someone who is 100% convinced that they are completely correct and everyone else is an idiot. You see it here in this thread , you see it when people argue politics. Reality is more nuanced and way more complicated than people realize.

Voting NO might lead to a better deal and it might lead to a worse deal. A person's assessment of the odds of each possibility and their ability to live with the negative outcome associated with each will determine their opinions - pretty much the same as every situation and every question in life.

Clearly it's important to try to present information and even persuade people if you think they have it wrong but that's where it must end. Pronouncing that someone is a coward for making a different decision or painting them as greedy or stupid is faulty thinking.

It’s important to remember that peoples perception of risk is influenced by past experience and if you’ve been in this business for as long as the senior pilots, your risk tolerance will be very, if not extremely low.
I think it would be fair to say, the majority of the NOs are in the younger demographic, perhaps 25-30, while the majority of the YESes would be in the 45-60, leaving a gap of swing voters 31-44.
If you haven’t truly had to deal with the consequences of your actions for your whole life, you personally feel there are no consequences, hence the young crowd thinking a NO vote will simply send it back for massive improvements while unicorns and rainbows fill the skies.
This is where Duke likes to point out the Jazz 17 year deal and I respond it’s a direct result of SR pilots undercutting us, so we can skip that, ok, Duke?
It does however illustrate my point about consequences, so there is that!
The younger generation of pilots have not had to fail anything in their brief existence, they don’t deal well with failure. I’ve literally had pilots cry and say things like my career is over after a failure during initial training.
I know of pilots who showed up unprepared for the session and couldn’t answer the questions for the pre sim briefing, when it was time to go in the SIM, they told the instructor they needed 15 minutes to meditate, he responded well the slot is 4 hours and I’ll be in there waiting, but there will be consequences if we don’t get done, they were almost too upset to continue the session, they’re words!
This is just to say, the everyone gets a ribbon generation doesn’t really know what can happen, like Aerkavo said, it MIGHT get more or it MIGHT get arbitration and lose some of the things agreed to that no one else has got, it’s a gamble, that is a guarantee!
Good luck to the AC pilots!

lol. I kinda got this love hate with you Cdnavater. You brought up the 17 year contract all on your own.

It’s okay, Sky reg definitely was used to screw other pilots over. I can admit that.

But it’s happening again. Maybe not in the same way you and I are used to.

No question, this contract reeks of targeted improvements and is divisive, I was surprised the starting pay was as low as it was but I also believe AC refused to budge on that.
I’m curious, you’ve been around a while, I’ve seen you say 15 years putting you in the swing vote category, how would you vote?
I honestly can’t say for sure, if I were there, I’d have about 11 years to go and improvements to the top wages and pension would be very enticing, as we know I believe in offering new pilots the choice of accepting or saying it’s not enough!
Many airlines down south were refusing to fix the starting pay and instead offering signing bonuses and guaranteed left seat pay after one year, although not any mainline carriers, but if AC fails to entice enough pilots to fulfill their needs, they would have no choice but to improve it.
Unions do not negotiate for the “unborn” and the amount of pilots on year one who will get retro pay and moving on to year two, then on to formula pay is relatively low. So, most of those pilots are a short time away from 100/hr with the MBG 75 or reserve MBG whichever is higher means, it’s not really flat pay but as me262 likes to point out 75 is the only guarantee.
That leaves pilots at Porter or Flair or AT a choice, join or stay put, if they choose to stay put, then AC will not be able to grow the fleet as planned, as I type this I can’t help but wonder if AC fleet plan includes the possibility of AT closing up shop?
I mean, as part of their discussions for purchase they would have had access to a lot of information which could have been the plan all along, much like their interest in the high speed train gave them access to commuter demographics and habits, are they truly interested in these assets or just the inside information they gained from it?
Anyhow, five days away from the results, will be very interesting to see!

[TheStig]

Just voted -Yes
Time to move on.
TS

Imagine if Churchill had shared your spirit in WW2 - well I think we should just give up and call it a day eh.

We could have done better than this, we should have done better than this.

Funny you say this. I was just thinking of quotes from world leaders….. he had a couple good one.

“If you’re going through hell, keep going”

Approaching Godwins Law. There is no equivalency between airline/union contract negotiations and the Nazi invasion of Europe.

[CaptDukeNukem]

It’s important to remember that peoples perception of risk is influenced by past experience and if you’ve been in this business for as long as the senior pilots, your risk tolerance will be very, if not extremely low.
I think it would be fair to say, the majority of the NOs are in the younger demographic, perhaps 25-30, while the majority of the YESes would be in the 45-60, leaving a gap of swing voters 31-44.
If you haven’t truly had to deal with the consequences of your actions for your whole life, you personally feel there are no consequences, hence the young crowd thinking a NO vote will simply send it back for massive improvements while unicorns and rainbows fill the skies.
This is where Duke likes to point out the Jazz 17 year deal and I respond it’s a direct result of SR pilots undercutting us, so we can skip that, ok, Duke?
It does however illustrate my point about consequences, so there is that!
The younger generation of pilots have not had to fail anything in their brief existence, they don’t deal well with failure. I’ve literally had pilots cry and say things like my career is over after a failure during initial training.
I know of pilots who showed up unprepared for the session and couldn’t answer the questions for the pre sim briefing, when it was time to go in the SIM, they told the instructor they needed 15 minutes to meditate, he responded well the slot is 4 hours and I’ll be in there waiting, but there will be consequences if we don’t get done, they were almost too upset to continue the session, they’re words!
This is just to say, the everyone gets a ribbon generation doesn’t really know what can happen, like Aerkavo said, it MIGHT get more or it MIGHT get arbitration and lose some of the things agreed to that no one else has got, it’s a gamble, that is a guarantee!
Good luck to the AC pilots!

lol. I kinda got this love hate with you Cdnavater. You brought up the 17 year contract all on your own.

It’s okay, Sky reg definitely was used to screw other pilots over. I can admit that.

But it’s happening again. Maybe not in the same way you and I are used to.

No question, this contract reeks of targeted improvements and is divisive, I was surprised the starting pay was as low as it was but I also believe AC refused to budge on that.
I’m curious, you’ve been around a while, I’ve seen you say 15 years putting you in the swing vote category, how would you vote?
I honestly can’t say for sure, if I were there, I’d have about 11 years to go and improvements to the top wages and pension would be very enticing, as we know I believe in offering new pilots the choice of accepting or saying it’s not enough!
Many airlines down south were refusing to fix the starting pay and instead offering signing bonuses and guaranteed left seat pay after one year, although not any mainline carriers, but if AC fails to entice enough pilots to fulfill their needs, they would have no choice but to improve it.
Unions do not negotiate for the “unborn” and the amount of pilots on year one who will get retro pay and moving on to year two, then on to formula pay is relatively low. So, most of those pilots are a short time away from 100/hr with the MBG 75 or reserve MBG whichever is higher means, it’s not really flat pay but as me262 likes to point out 75 is the only guarantee.
That leaves pilots at Porter or Flair or AT a choice, join or stay put, if they choose to stay put, then AC will not be able to grow the fleet as planned, as I type this I can’t help but wonder if AC fleet plan includes the possibility of AT closing up shop?
I mean, as part of their discussions for purchase they would have had access to a lot of information which could have been the plan all along, much like their interest in the high speed train gave them access to commuter demographics and habits, are they truly interested in these assets or just the inside information they gained from it?
Anyhow, five days away from the results, will be very interesting to see!

You’re not wrong. I’ve been on the good side of things and frankly horrible side of things too.

I think that pilots are finally catching up to how we are worth more than we’ve known. Unfortunately, it’s taken us WAY longer than we’d like to admit

[thepoors]

I see you edited your post. I was going to reply to your comment that you'll never understand why someone might vote contrary t
It’s important to remember that peoples perception of risk is influenced by past experience and if you’ve been in this business for as long as the senior pilots, your risk tolerance will be very, if not extremely low.
I think it would be fair to say, the majority of the NOs are in the younger demographic, perhaps 25-30, while the majority of the YESes would be in the 45-60, leaving a gap of swing voters 31-44.
If you haven’t truly had to deal with the consequences of your actions for your whole life, you personally feel there are no consequences, hence the young crowd thinking a NO vote will simply send it back for massive improvements while unicorns and rainbows fill the skies.
This is where Duke likes to point out the Jazz 17 year deal and I respond it’s a direct result of SR pilots undercutting us, so we can skip that, ok, Duke?
It does however illustrate my point about consequences, so there is that!
The younger generation of pilots have not had to fail anything in their brief existence, they don’t deal well with failure. I’ve literally had pilots cry and say things like my career is over after a failure during initial training.
I know of pilots who showed up unprepared for the session and couldn’t answer the questions for the pre sim briefing, when it was time to go in the SIM, they told the instructor they needed 15 minutes to meditate, he responded well the slot is 4 hours and I’ll be in there waiting, but there will be consequences if we don’t get done, they were almost too upset to continue the session, they’re words!
This is just to say, the everyone gets a ribbon generation doesn’t really know what can happen, like Aerkavo said, it MIGHT get more or it MIGHT get arbitration and lose some of the things agreed to that no one else has got, it’s a gamble, that is a guarantee!
Good luck to the AC pilots!

Lol your lack of self awareness is disturbing boomer. It's really pathetic that you think you're the only ones that ever faced any adversity in your lives or careers.

Let me ask you a few things: Did you get laid off during covid? What about during the 2008 recession? How much did you pay for your first home?

Your whining is worse than any millennial or gen z. You are the most spoiled and entitled generation in the history of mankind. Gifted everything by the golden generation of your parents and all you've ever done is make it worse for everyone else since. You've only gotten to where you are by stepping on those beneath you. Seriously, go away. The world will be a much better place when the last of you are rotting away in nursing homes.